The Bible

[g_bambino]

Really, is this not just spam now?

[CANADIEN]

FACT: MODERN WESTERN SCIENCE WAS FOUNDED UPON JUDEO-CHRISTIAN PRESUPPOSITIONAL FOUNDATIONS FROM THE BIBLE.

Excerpt from: Science Facts Confirm the Bible

by R. Totten, M.Div - © 2000

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http://worldview3.50webs.com/scientmethod.html

Excuse me while I chuckle at the thought of a person who denies science that doesn't fit a litteralist interpretation of the Bible (namely you, and your rejection of evolution) quoting a text that claim that modern science is funded on the Bible.

Considering the quote oincludes refrences to people like Copernicus (who had to keep his discoveries secret for most of his life because they clashed with the liteeralist view of the Bible that was dominant), Galileo (who was forced to recant), and Descartes (whose ideas were rejected in some corners as atheistic).

That modern science would not have existed without a worldview that saw nature is distinct of the divine is an interesting proposition. It doesn't hide the fact that it was born and developed despite a mindset that rejcted any knowledge that didn't fit a literalist interpretation of the Bible. Unfortunately (for those holding that kind of viewpoint), there are still people today who persist in opposing any science that don't fit their interpretation of the Bible. At least, a good number of Christians know better.

[betsy]

Excuse me while I chuckle at the thought of a person who denies science that doesn't fit a litteralist interpretation of the Bible (namely you, and your rejection of evolution) quoting a text that claim that modern science is funded on the Bible.

You're off-kilter again.

Considering the quote oincludes refrences to people like Copernicus (who had to keep his discoveries secret for most of his life because they clashed with the liteeralist view of the Bible that was dominant), Galileo (who was forced to recant), and Descartes (whose ideas were rejected in some corners as atheistic).

And obviously you don't understand what's being said in the article....

That modern science would not have existed without a worldview that saw nature is distinct of the divine is an interesting proposition. It doesn't hide the fact that it was born and developed despite a mindset that rejcted any knowledge that didn't fit a literalist interpretation of the Bible. Unfortunately (for those holding that kind of viewpoint), there are still people today who persist in opposing any science that don't fit their interpretation of the Bible. At least, a good number of Christians know better.

....therefore, support your rebuttal with something credible.

Talk is cheap. And talks that don't make sense or jive with the arguments are a dime-a-dozen on this forum. They're just spit in the wind.

Edited August 14, 2011 by betsy

[betsy]

Really, is this not just spam now?

Still lost? You've been talking spam for ages now.

Go here...

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This is Mapleleafweb.

Edited August 14, 2011 by betsy

[CANADIEN]

You're off-kilter again. [/1uote]

Meaning, I fail to agree with your rejection of science that doesn't fit your interpretation of the

Bible.

And obviously you don't understand what's being said in the article....

Correction. I understand that it makes no sense.

....therefore, support your rebuttal with something credible.

Let,s start with Galileo's trial, shall we? The development of the modern scientific method needed a mind set that did not view the universe as being God. Most importantly, though, it needed a mind set based on observation of facts, and how they fit with one another. Not a literal interpretation of a sacred text, trying to make facts fit their interpretation, and rejecting any discovery of facts that did not fit said interpretation.

Talk is cheap. And talks that don't make sense or jive with the arguments are a dime-a-dozen on this forum. They're just spit in the wind.

And you're proving it time after time.

Edited August 14, 2011 by CANADIEN

[g_bambino]

:angry:

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Wrong link, silly woman.

Spam.

[betsy]

Wrong link, silly woman.

[betsy]

FACT: "THE BIBLE SPEAKS RATHER EXPLICITLY ABOUT BASIC PRINCIPLES IN EVERY AREA OF SCIENCE"

Excerpt from, THE BIBLE IS A TEXTBOOK OF SCIENCE

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It is not only legitimate then, but absolutely mandatory, for the Christian to depend implicitly on the scientific and philosophic framework revealed in Holy Scripture if he is to attain a true understanding of any of the factual data with which science deals, and their implications. It is not surprising at all, then, when we find that the Bible does speak rather explicitly about basic principles in every area of science.

THE PHYSICAL SCIENCES

We shall consider science under two very broad categories, the physical sciences and the life sciences, the latter including also the so-called social sciences. The physical sciences include such disciplines as chemistry, physics, geology, meteorology, hydrology, and the like. The life sciences include biology, psychology, anthropology, sociology and others.

As far as the physical, or inorganic sciences, are concerned, perhaps the most fundamental fact concerning them, long ago revealed in Scripture and only recently acknowledged by modern science, is that the physical world is basically nonphysical in its ultimate essence. The mechanics of the universe can only be comprehended, and then only vaguely, in terms of non-mechanical, mathematical concepts.

The Scriptures have made it quite clear that the physical universe was created ex nihilo and is fundamentallyspiritual in essence. For example, Hebrews 11:3 states: "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear." Some might object that the Greek word for worlds really here means ages. It probably can mean both, but in view of the modern recognition of the universe as a space-matter-time continuum, it would clearly be correct to speak of either space or matter or time or all of them as having been created by the word of God. And the basic "stuff" of this continuum is most definitely not "apparent" to the physical senses.

The same truth is revealed in Hebrews 1:2-3: "By his (God's) Son he made the worlds; who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power . . . " Thus, by power, by the Word, all things were made, and all things are upheld. Jesus Christ, through the continual outflow of His limitless divine energy is thus sustaining all the material stuff of the universe which He had once created. Here is clearly spelled forth the modern scientific truth of the equivalence of matter and energy. Here also is revealed the ultimate source of the mysterious nuclear forces, the binding energy of the atom. One might also refer to Colossians 1:16-17 for the same teaching.

As far as the laws or processes of the physical universe are concerned, these all devolve upon two extremely broad and powerful principles, the so-called first and second Laws of thermodynamics.

Let it be emphasized that, if there is really such a thing as a law of science, these two principles meet that definition. There is no other scientific law supported more fully and certainly by more numerous and meaningful lines of evidence than are these two laws.

All physical processes (and all biologic processes, for that matter) involve the interplay of two basic entities called energy and entropy. One could say that any event occurring in space and time is a manifestation of some form of exchange of energy. The particular event or process basically is just this transformation of one or more forms of energy (kinetic or motion energy, electrical, chemical, light, heat, sound, electromagnetic, nuclear, or other forms of energy) into one or more other forms.

In this process, the total energy remains unchanged; no energy is either created or destroyed, although its form may and does change. This is the first law of thermodynamics, the law of conservation of energy. This law has been validated on both the cosmic and sub-nuclear scales and is a truly universal law, if there is such a thing. And, since energy really includes everything, even matter, in the physical universe, it is as certain as anything can possibly be, scientifically, that no creation of anything is now taking place in the universe, under the normal conditions which science is able to study.

But in the process, some of the energy is always transformed into non-usable heat energy, and thus becomes unavailable for future energy exchanges. The concept of entropy has been developed to describe this phenomenon, entropy being a measure of the unavailability of the energy of the system or process. The second law of thermodynamics describes this by stating that there is always a tendency for the entropy of any closed system to increase. Or, in more general terms, the second law states that there is always a tendency for any system to become less organized. Its disorder or randomness tends to increase. If isolated from external sources of order or energy or "information," any system will eventually run down and "die."

These laws are basic in every scientific system or process. As far as science has been able to show, they are universal in scope, with no exceptions known. They were only discovered and validated by science, however, about a hundred years ago, after much uncertainty and controversy.

If men had been willing to develop their scientific systems on the basis of Biblical presuppositions, however, it should have been quite obvious all along that the basic physical processes were those of conservation and decay, as now formalized in the statements of the first and second laws of thermodynamics. The Bible does not, of course, state these principles in the mathematical symbols or technical jargon of modern physics but the basic truths are quite clearly enunciated.

The conservation principle is strongly emphasized in the summary statement at the end of the period of creation, when the Bible says: "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his works which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made" (Genesis 2:13; italics added).

This statement is as clear as it could possibly be in teaching that God's creative acts were terminated at the end of the six days. Whatever processes He may have used in creating and making, all His work ceased when God rested on the seventh day. Nothing is now being created and this is what was finally formalized by science in the first law of thermodynamics.

The most significant implication of this fact, for modern philosophers, is that it is therefore quite impossible to determine anything about certain creation through a study of present processes, because present processes are not creative in character. If man wishes to know anything at all about creation time of creation, the duration of creation, the order of creation, the methods of creation, or anything else his sole source of true information is that of divine revelation. God was there when it happened. We were not there, and there is nothing in present physical processes which can tell us about it. Therefore, we are completely limited to what God has seen fit to tell us, and this information is in His written Word. This is our textbook on the science of creation!

Present processes are those of maintenance or providence. Not only is nothing being created but also nothing is being destroyed. He is "upholding all things by the Word of his power." By the same omnipotent Word who created all things, "the heaven and the earth which are now, are kept in store" (II Peter 3:7).

But we have already noted another very significant characteristic of all such present processes. It is true that nothing is being destroyed, but it is also strangely true that everything tends to become less useful. This is the second law of thermodynamics, the law of entropy increase, which states that the natural tendency is toward increasing disorder and randomization. Energy tends to become less available for useful work, and the process can only be maintained by a continual influx of fresh energy from outside the system itself. Everything tends to grow old, to wear out, or to run down. There is a universal tendency toward decay and death. And who cannot help but sense that this state of affairs, universal and inexorable though it seems to be, is somehow undesirable and abnormal in a universe created by a Holy and Omnipotent Creator?

But this is all explained and long anticipated in Scripture, which attributes it to the entrance of sin into the world. At the end of the creation and making of all things, the Bible says that "God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good" (Genesis 1:31; italics added). There was no disorder, no lack of harmony, no decay and, above all, no death in the world as originally made by God. For the Bible believing scientist, this can only mean that any evidence he finds in the present order of things, or in the records of the past, that indicates disorder and struggle, suffering, decay, and death, must necessarily be understood as entering the world after (not before or during) the six days of creation.

Specifically the Bible tells us that this happened as a result of the sin of the first man, Adam, who had been designated by God as master of the earth and everything in it. When he sinned, God pronounced a curse on both Adam and his dominion. "Cursed is the earth for thy sake" (Genesis 3:17). And from that day on, as the Scripture says: "The whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now" (Romans 8:22). The whole world, both the heavens and the earth, and all that in them is, are "waxing old, as a garment" (Hebrews 1:11).

more...

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THE AUTHOR

Henry M. Morris has been professor of Hydraulic Engineering and chairman of the Department of Civil Engineering at the Virginia Polytechnic Institute, Blacksburg, Virginia, since 1957. The Ph.D. degree was awarded him by the University of Minnesota. While holding membership in several scientific societies, Dr. Morris was also engaged in numerous Christian activities and was a member of the Board of Directors of the Appalachian Bible Institute.

The above article appeared in the October - December 1964 issue of BIBLIOTHEA SACRA and is electronically and photographically reproduced and reprinted with permission of the author, Dr. Henry Morris.

*Dr. Morris was Founder and President Emeritus of ICR.

http://www.icr.org/home/resources/resources_tracts_tbiatos/

Edited August 14, 2011 by betsy

[kimmy]

Uh huh. Genesis mentions darkness, which is clearly a reference to black holes and dark matter, but the writers of the Bible couldn't have known anything about black holes and dark matter, so obviously that proves that the information in Genesis was received from a divine source. A proof is a proof, and if it's a good proof it's because it's proven.

-k

[DogOnPorch]

Uh huh. Genesis mentions darkness, which is clearly a reference to black holes and dark matter, but the writers of the Bible couldn't have known anything about black holes and dark matter, so obviously that proves that the information in Genesis was received from a divine source. A proof is a proof, and if it's a good proof it's because it's proven.

-k

Heh...lol...well, betsy won't address stellar metallicity which proves that our star was formed much later than vast numbers of stars in the Universe...opposite of Genisis. But, no mind...Genisis didn't make the connection that the Sun is a star and responsible for all that 'light' including the Moon's reflected variety there-of.

Edited August 14, 2011 by DogOnPorch

[CANADIEN]

FACT: "THE BIBLE SPEAKS RATHER EXPLICITLY ABOUT BASIC PRINCIPLES IN EVERY AREA OF SCIENCE"

Excerpt from, THE BIBLE IS A TEXTBOOK OF SCIENCE

http://www.icr.org/home/resources/resources_tracts_tbiatos/

Fact: You (again) and the author do not know what you are talking about.

The whole premise of the ext is destroyed through a quote actually found IN IT.

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"Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."

Through FAITH. Got it? Not science. The idea that the Bible is a science book, or that it explains or discusses basic principles of science, flies in the face of that basic truth. I will not mince my words here. Such a misuse of the Bible is borderline blasphemy.

But don't worry. The text you quoted is still a good source for laughing. Like in the linking of original sin with the decay of matter. Let me see if I got it right. The Universe is about 13 billion years old. The first ancestors of the modern human appeared about 2-3 million years ago (anyone correct me if I am wrong on the timeline). So, there was no decay of matter in the Universe, no change whatsoever, no changes in suns, galaxies, the whole Universe remained exactly the same for BILLIONS of years? In a Universe that took, according to the author of this gem, 6 DAYS to create? Yeah right.

[betsy]

Fact: You (again) and the author do not know what you are talking about.

The whole premise of the ext is destroyed through a quote actually found IN IT.

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Through FAITH. Got it? Not science. The idea that the Bible is a science book, or that it explains or discusses basic principles of science, flies in the face of that basic truth. I will not mince my words here. Such a misuse of the Bible is borderline blasphemy.

But don't worry. The text you quoted is still a good source for laughing. Like in the linking of original sin with the decay of matter. Let me see if I got it right. The Universe is about 13 billion years old. The first ancestors of the modern human appeared about 2-3 million years ago (anyone correct me if I am wrong on the timeline). So, there was no decay of matter in the Universe, no change whatsoever, no changes in suns, galaxies, the whole Universe remained exactly the same for BILLIONS of years? In a Universe that took, according to the author of this gem, 6 DAYS to create? Yeah right.

Uh-oh. Getting back to Plan B? Cherry-picking and taking things out of context again, are we?

Go back and read it in full. Otherwise don't bug me. You're being demoted to the Doo-wop choir!

[betsy]

FACT: KEPLERS 8 MINUTES

The Natural Order is Mathematically Precise

Science historians have also traced this idea to the Biblical teaching on creation. Christians figured that the almighty God of the Bible created the universe "ex nihilo," meaning "out of nothing," and therefore he had complete control over the end result, which the orderly Creator would make into some sort of precise and logical structure. This is why Rene Descartes said the mathematical laws scientists looked for were "legislated" by God in the same way a king makes laws in his kingdom. R.G. Collingwood writes, "The possibility of an applied mathematics is an expression, in terms of natural science, of the Christian belief that nature is the creation of an omnipotent God" (An Essay on Metaphysics, '72, p.253).

The work of astronomer J. Kepler illustrates this beautifully, because he struggled for years over the small difference of eight minutes between the observed orbit-time of Mars, compared to what the calculated time should have been if the orbit were circular in shape. This "small" discrepancy drove Kepler to postulate that the orbit was elliptical instead of round. He hit upon this because of a conviction that God's work in designing nature must be mathmatically precise and logical --otherwise Kepler would not have worried about it, and would not have decided against a two thousand year-old belief in circular orbits. Kepler spoke of those eight minutes gratefully, as a "gift of God."

http://worldview3.50webs.com/scientmethod.html

from: Keplers Vicarious Hypothsis

Kepler's investigation of what he called his "vicarious" or "substitute" hypothesis proved that the old systems of astronomy could not be made to work by simply revising them and that he needed to seek new causes and systems.

Using Tycho's Brahe's observations, he built a model in the Ptolemaic style and then tested it against the same accurate and now thoroughly interrogated observations.

He sought to push the Ptolemaic system to the limit of observational accuracy and see if it would hold up in a somewhat modified form.

But Kepler saw this 8' of arc discrepancy as the key to reforming astronomy:

"Since the divine benevolence has vouchsafed us Tycho Brahe, a most diligent observer, from whose observations the 8' error in this Ptolemaic computation is shown, it is fitting that we with thankful mind both acknowledge and honor this benefit of God... For if I had thought I could ignore eight minutes of longitude, in bisecting the eccentricity I would already have made enough of a correction in the [vicarious] hypothesis found in Ch. 16. Now, because they could not have been ignored, these eight minutes alone will have led the way to the reformation of all of astronomy, and have constituted the material for a great part of the present work." (Donahue translation, p.286)

http://www.keplersdiscovery.com/Vicarious.html

Tycho was the last major astronomer to work without the aid of a telescope, soon to be turned skyward by Galileo and others.

After his death, his records of the motion of the planet Mars provided evidence to support Kepler's discovery of the ellipse and area laws of planetary motion.[38] Kepler's application of these two laws to obtain astronomical tables of unprecedented accuracy (the Rudolphine Tables)[39] provided powerful support for his heliocentric model of the solar system.[40]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tycho_Brahe

Edited August 14, 2011 by betsy

[betsy]

Let's do a recap. For details, pages for the facts are provided for easy go-to.

1 FACT: Nothing holds up Earth. It is affected by gravity.

2 FACT: The earth is round.

3 FACT: There is an incalculable number of stars.

4 FACT: Mountains and trenches in the deep blue sea.

5 FACT: Invisible atoms, the building blocks

6 FACT: Noah’s Ark and Ship Building p. 1

7 FACT: “Many of the great scientists of the past who founded and developed the key disciplines of science were creationists!”

8 FACT: A finished creation.

9 FACT: The universe is deteriorating

10 FACT: The Universe Must Have Had a Beginning

11 FACT:: Existence of ocean currents

12 FACT: SCIENCE REMAINS BAFFLED!

13 FACT: EXPANDING UNIVERSE

14 FACT: Hydrological Cycle or Water Cycle

15 FACT: Science remains baffled - Part 2: .. Knowledge and understanding of our beginning trickles down ever so slowly. p 5

16 FACT: PROPHECIES HAVE COME TRUE!

17 FACT:

EXPANDING UNIVERSE: SCIENCE GIVES AN ACCURATE DESCRIPTION BY THE WORD "STRETCH!

18 FACT: Expression - "CURVATURE OF SPACE," still related to STRETCHING UNIVERSE

19 FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health

WOUND, SKIN and DISCHARGE PRECAUTIONS

20 FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health

WASTE DISPOSAL

21 FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health

DIAGNOSIS and ISOLATION

22 FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health

CORPSES and BURIAL PRECAUTIONS

23 FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health

FOOD and DRINKING WATER SAFETY

24 FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health

PROMISCUITY, UNLAWFUL LIFESTYLES and DISEASE

25 FACT: The human body is comprised of some 28 base and trace elements which are all found in the earth

26 FACT: BLOOD – THE RIVER OF LIFE

27 FACT: RODINIA and PANTHALASSA, One land and one ocean! p. 12

28 FACT: Man is superior to all other living things. p.36

29 FACT: SCIENTISTS NAME and CLASSIFY CREATURES p. 37

30 FACT: MODERN-DAY DEADLY VIRUS COULD BE PREVENTED FROM SPREADING BY FOLLOWING THE INSTRUCTIONS IN THE BIBLE p. 39

31 FACT: NO ARCHEOLOGICAL DISCOVERY HAS CONTRADICTED A BIBLICAL REFERENCE! p.43

32 FACT: THE REGENERATING RIBS p.47

33 FACT: CIRCUMCISION IS BEST DONE ON THE 8th DAY! p. 47

34 FACT: ARCHEOLOGY UNEARTHED THE EBLA TABLETS p. 48

35 FACT: ARCHEOLOGICAL FIND AT KHIRBAT EN-NAHAS IN LINE WITH

BIBLICAL NARRATIVE OF DAVID AND SOLOMON p. 50

36 FACT: ARCHEOLOGICAL DISCOVERY IN TEL DAN PROVIDES A CONNECTION TO THE RULING DYNASTY OF KING DAVID p. 55

37 FACT: ARCHEOLOGY DISCOVERED THE NUZI TABLETS SHOWING THAT THE CULTURAL PRACTICES WRITTEN IN GENESIS ARE AUTHENTIC p. 57

38 FACT: ARCHEOLOGY DISCOVERED THE MARI TABLETS p. 57

39 FACT: THREE SEPARATE BIBLICAL FACTS CONFIRMED BY NEBO-SARSEKIM CUNEIFORM TABLET p. 57

40 FACT: ARCHEOLOGY FOUND LACHISH p. 58

41 FACT: THE LACHISH LETTERS INLINE WITH THE BIBLICAL NARRATIVE OF THE PROPHET JEREMIAH p. 58

42 FACT: Archeological findings in TELL EN-NASBEH in-line with the Biblical narratives p.58

43 FACT: Archeological finding at TAHPANHES in-line with Biblical narrative of Jeremiah

p. 58

44 FACT: Archeology discovered SODOM AND GOMORRAH p.59

45 FACT: ARCHEOLOGY SHOWS EVIDENCE THAT THE BIBLE PROVIDES AN ACCURATE EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT OF EVENTS THAT OCCURRED SOUTHEAST OF THE DEAD SEA OVER 4,000 YEARS AGO. p 61

46 FACT: MODERN WESTERN SCIENCE WAS FOUNDED UPON JUDEO-CHRISTIAN PRESUPPOSITIONAL FOUNDATIONS FROM THE BIBLE p 62

47 FACT: "THE BIBLE SPEAKS RATHER EXPLICITLY ABOUT BASIC PRINCIPLES IN EVERY AREA OF SCIENCE" p 63

48 FACT: KEPLER’S 8 MINUTES p. 63

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48 facts posted.....and counting.

Edited August 14, 2011 by betsy

[CANADIEN]

Uh-oh. Getting back to Plan B? Cherry-picking and taking things out of context again, are we?

Go back and read it in full. Otherwise don't bug me. You're being demoted to the Doo-wop choir!

It is because I DID read that bit of non-sense it full that I had no problem finding examples of why it is non-sense.

That being said, I am so sorry that anything that makes sense is bugging you.

[cybercoma]

Really, is this not just spam now?

It has always been spam, but the moderating team obviously doesn't bother browsing this forum.

[g_bambino]

Cherry-picking and taking things out of context again, are we? :angry:

And there we have a fine specimen of hypocricy and willful ingorance wrapped up in one neat sentence; not only did CANADIEN not do what betsy accuses him of, she falsely accuses him of doing the very thing she does when she cherrypicks not only sources (mostly pro-Christian and scientifically unsound) but also posts on this forum (stellar metallicity, the existence of science before Christianity's, the proof behind evolution: simply ignored). It's simultaneously amusing and kind of sad.

[CANADIEN]

FACT: KEPLER’S 8 MINUTES

http://worldview3.50webs.com/scientmethod.html

http://www.keplersdiscovery.com/Vicarious.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tycho_Brahe

Of course, you would realize that this does not prove that the Bible is a science textbook, right? Nah.

Good for Kepler that his belief in God let him to conclude that he must have created the Universe in a way that makes sense. That being said, God didn't need belief in God to come to the conclusion that. if the mathematical model used for 2000 years didn't work, then there might be a model that worked better.

[betsy]

Babbling Doo-wops! You guys are really acoustically harmonized. Got a mental image here of all you doing your chorus, style ala-60's or 70's.

Btw, are you wearing your pasta strainers?

[g_bambino]

Babbling Doo-wops! You guys are really acoustically harmonized. Got a mental image here of all you doing your chorus, style ala-60's or 70's.

Btw, are you wearing your pasta strainers?

Yes, you can't face up to the challenge. We know. No need to embarass yourself further.

[betsy]

Of course, you would realize that this does not prove that the Bible is a science textbook, right? Nah.

Let me guide you to the right direction. You're wasting your bark.

That the excerpt was taken from an article that's titled it's "a textbook of science" - or whether I consider it a science textbook or not - is not the issue.

Read the posted fact title - the one with the giant bold font. Like this....

FACT: "THE BIBLE SPEAKS RATHER EXPLICITLY ABOUT BASIC PRINCIPLES IN EVERY AREA OF SCIENCE"

or this....

FACT: KEPLER’S 8 MINUTES

That's the premise!

[betsy]

#49

FACT: NOTABLE INVENTIONS AND DISCOVERIES FROM THE PAST 800 YEARS BY THOSE WORKING FROM THE BIBLICAL WORLDVIEW OF NATURE

Date Invention or Discovery Inventor or Discoverer Nationality

1250 Magnifying glass Roger Bacon English

1450 Printing press Johann Gutenberg German

1504 Pocket watch Peter Henlein German

1590 Compound microscope Zacharias Janssen Dutch

1593 Water thermometer Galileo Italian

1608 Telescope Hans Lippershey Dutch

1625 Blood transfusion Jean-Baptiste Denys French

1629 Steam turbine Giovanni Branca Italian

1642 Adding machine Blaise Pascal French

1643 Barometer Evangelista Torricelli Italian

1650 Air pump Otto von Guericke German

1656 Pendulum clock Christiaan Huygens Dutch

1661 Methanol. - Volume, pressure, temperature relation in gases. Robert Boyle Irish

1668 Reflecting telescope Isaac Newton English

1671 Calculating machine Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz German

1683 Bacteria Anton van Leeuwenhoek Dutch

1687 Motion, Laws of Isaac Newton English

1698 Steam pump Thomas Savery English

1701 Seed drill Jethro Tull English

1710 Piano Bartolomeo Cristofori Italian

1712 Steam engine Thomas Newcomen British

1714 Mercury thermometer Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit German

1717 Diving bell Edmund Halley English

More....

http://worldview3.50webs.com/inventions.html

Edited August 14, 2011 by betsy

[DogOnPorch]

Yes, you can't face up to the challenge. We know. No need to embarass yourself further.

"Atoms" are the building blocks...lol...the Universe is "deteriorating"...lol...(to name a few)

Shows general lack of understanding not only of basic quantum mechanics but also the much easier to digest 2nd law of thermodynamics.

Not to mention, if you believe in Creation, all the critters that ever existed were 'created' at the same time. Thus dinos and humans walked the planet together...at some point not described. Trilobites...how did they miss the Ark?

[betsy]

#50

FACT: NOBEL PRIZES AWARDED TO JEWS WORKING FROM THE BIBLICAL WORLDVIEW

The global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000 ---only fourteen million--- or 0.02% of the world's population,

...and yet, working from the Biblical Worldview, they have earned the following Nobel Prizes:

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1994 - Shimon Peres

1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

Physics:

1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer

1906 - Henri Moissan

1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson

1908 - Gabriel Lippmann

1910 - Otto Wallach

1915 - Richard Willstaetter

1918 - Fritz Haber

1921 - Albert Einstein

1922 - Niels Bohr

1925 - James Franck

1925 - Gustav Hertz

1943 - Gustav Stern

1943 - George Charles de Hevesy

1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi

1952 - Felix Bloch

1954 - Max Born

1958 - Igor Tamm

1959 - Emilio Segre

1960 - Donald A. Glaser

1961 - Robert Hofstadter

1961 - Melvin Calvin

1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau

1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz

1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman

1965 - Julian Schwinger

1969 - Murray Gell-Mann

1971 - Dennis Gabor

1972 - William Howard Stein

1973 - Brian David Josephson

1975 - Benjamin Mottleson

1976 - Burton Richter

1977 - Ilya Prigogine

1978 - Arno Allan Penzias

1978 - P eter L Kapitza

1979 - Stephen Weinberg

1979 - Sheldon Glashow

1979 - Herbert Charles Brown

1980 - Paul Berg

1980 - Walter Gilbert

1981 - Roald Hoffmann

1982 - Aaron Klug

1985 - Albert A. Hauptman

1985 - Jerome Karle

1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach

1988 - Robert Huber

1988 - Leon Lederman

1988 - Melvin Schwartz

1988 - Jack Steinberger

1989 - Sidney Altman

1990 - Jerome Friedman

1992 - Rudolph Marcus

1995 - Martin Perl

2000 - Alan J. Heeger

Economics:

1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson

1971 - Simon Kuznets

1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow

1975 - Leonid Kantorovich

1976 - Milton

More....

http://worldview3.50webs.com/nobelprizesjewish.html

Edited August 14, 2011 by betsy

[g_bambino]

Not to mention, if you believe in Creation, all the critters that ever existed were 'created' at the same time. Thus dinos and humans walked the planet together...at some point not described. Trilobites...how did they miss the Ark?

A literal belief in the Biblical story of creation, yes. But, trilobites are just another thing betsy will ignore, before giggling and accusing others of cherrypicking.