The Bible

[bloodyminded]

Whoa! Not as much! If you guys keep score points, clearly the Bible had already scored numerous points for all these science-proven facts compared to macro-evolution's big fat zero!

FACT: Nothing holds up Earth. It is affected by gravity.

FACT: The earth is round.

FACT: There is an incalculable number of stars.

FACT: Mountains and trenches in the deep blue sea.

FACT: Invisible atoms, the building blocks

FACT: Noahs Ark and Ship Building

FACT: Many of the great scientists of the past who founded and developed the key disciplines of science were creationists!

FACT: A finished creation.

FACT: The universe is deteriorating

FACT: The Universe Must Have Had a Beginning

FACT:: Existence of ocean currents

FACT: SCIENCE REMAINS BAFFLED!

FACT: EXPANDING UNIVERSE

FACT: Hydrological Cycle or Water Cycle

FACT: PROPHECIES HAVE COME TRUE!

FACT:

EXPANDING UNIVERSE: Science uses the word, "STRETCHING/STRETCHES/STRETCHED!

FACT: Expression - "CURVATURE OF SPACE," still related to STRETCHING UNIVERSE

FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health

WOUND, SKIN and DISCHARGE PRECAUTIONS

FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health

WASTE DISPOSAL

FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health {/size]

DIAGNOSIS and ISOLATION

FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health

CORPSES and BURIAL PRECAUTIONS

FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health

FOOD and DRINKING WATER SAFETY

FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health

PROMISCUITY, UNLAWFUL LIFESTYLES and DISEASE

FACT: The human body is comprised of some 28 base and trace elements which are all found in the earth

FACT: BLOOD THE RIVER OF LIFE

FACT: RODINIA and PANTHALASSA, One land and one ocean!

FACT: MAN IS SUPERIOR TO ALL OTHER LIVING THINGS

But I opined that the difference in mental sophistication between human beings and chimpanzees was not evidence of God.

Your reply is unrelated, and is a rehash of your earlier points that doesn't touch on what we're discussing...except for the last line, which is a bland claim...and even if we agree with it, it doesn't place the likelihood of God over evolution.

Edited June 12, 2011 by bloodyminded

[betsy]

But I opined that the difference in mental sophisticationbetween human beings and chimpanzees was not evidence of God.

And I'm opining that the difference in mental capability between human and chimpanzees is one clear evidence that there is no macro-evolution!

It's all about survival!

Intelligence is the surest factor of survival. Just look how far we've come.

You'd think our so-called cousins wouldn't be too far behind us, and yet they're back there stuck with all the rest of the gang!

Our God-given dominion makes it so that we even hold the power to extinct these creatures - including our other cousin, the gorilla!

Your reply is unrelated...except for the last line, which doesn't speak to the point at all.

It is definitely related since I'm opposing your comparison between the Bible and the theory of evolution! So far, as the scoring points show....there is no comparison!

Edited June 12, 2011 by betsy

[bloodyminded]

And I'm opining that the difference in mental capability between human and chimpanzees is one clear evidence that there is no macro-evolution!

?? How so?

Intelligence is the surest factor of survival.

Oh, we certainly don't know that as of yet. It could well be a primary factor in our demise.

How long do you think the shark has been in existence, evolutionarily more or less as it is now...and with very little (human-like) intelligence?

Our God-given dominion makes it so that we even hold the power to extinct these creatures - including our other cousin, the gorilla!

Again, I'm having trouble understanding the glee at such potential tragedies.

It is definitely related since I'm opposing your comparison between the Bible and the theory of evolution! So far, as the scoring points show....there is no comparison!

Oh, I think we agree on that point!

Edited June 12, 2011 by bloodyminded

[Oleg Bach]

You're the one who said God (note: singular) has always existed.

Again humans thing in human phyisical terms...it makes sense with the eternal or infinite that there is no concept in regards to singular or mulitiple. We think in numbers where numbers don't exist. Take for instance the amount of stars that exist - is there one or is there katrillions plus? They are uncountable because there is no end to their number - so numbers are meaningless and do not really exist - hence God is all - singular - mulitiple - existant - non-existant - powerful - powerless....get my drift?

[Oleg Bach]

Some things in the bible are just plain wrong and stupid. If a person believes that everything in this compulation is totally devine then they are utter fools - If they believe that there is not a bad piece of advice in scripture then they are also foolish. GOD expects you to adhere to the truth - to reality. If you notice that something written or said does not make sense and it a contradition then it is to be avoided. Christianity never fully reached mankind - It got warped and twisted for political reasons.....War for instance is not caused by religion - it is caused by human imagination commonly called a lie. IF we all stuck to the truth...(reality) things would be better .....but because we are frail and weak - we tend to slander - mis-inform - disguise things and ourselves - Just like in nature when a bug pretends to be a stick...we are supposed to be above insects and could be but we choose the easy way - we lie...and that sinister way of living brings about death and distruction.

[betsy]

?? How so?

The way it was depicted is one clear evidence.

Oh, we certainly don't know that as of yet. It could well be a primary factor in our demise.

And if it is the primary factor in our demise...it'll be caused by man.

Not the chimp, not the shark, not the bird.

How long do you think the shark has been in existence, evolutionarily more or less as it is now...and with very little (human-like) intelligence?

No match against humans!

Actually, some sharks have been added to the endangered specie list - too much hunting by humans!

No....no...no...it was not the shark who petitioned and applied to be put on the list.

They wouldn't know how or where to begin, that is if they even manage to get one fin off the water never mind dealing with beareaucrats!

Anyway, I wonder if they even know they're dwindling! It was some humans who decided to come to their aid.

Again, I'm having trouble understanding the glee at such potential tragedies.

The glee is not with the tragedy. Besides, how can you call it a tragedy when as you say, they are content in the way they live? Are you saying they're not happy then?

The laughter is a reaction to the evolution punch-line!

Oh, I think we agree on that point!

I'm glad you agree. Facts cannot be compared with hypotheses and theories....especially when the theory is being desperately propped up by deceptive claims, fabrications and outright fraud.

Fill-in-the-gaps-by-any-means, is not a fact-finding method.

After all, only those who are blind....or who can't count (like one poster from your camp)....will fail to get it. And I don't think you're a dummy.

Edited June 12, 2011 by betsy

[DogOnPorch]

Genesis was obviously not a blow-by-blow account! And yet, in just only a few chapters, Moses wrote some incredible passages that describe creation, only to be confirmed true by science.

As the Church Lady says: How convienient!

So the Earth is 6 days old when you want it and 4.5 billion years when it suits.

Did humans and dinosaurs walk the Earth together?

[Oleg Bach]

As the Church Lady says: How convienient!

So the Earth is 6 days old when you want it and 4.5 billion years when it suits.

Did humans and dinosaurs walk the Earth together?

Saw a program a while back where they peeled back some shale and saw dinosaurs foot prints and low and behold some human ones along side. The creation story does hit the mark on occassion - when God creates a firmiment - (dome) in other words an atmosphere! The fact that light is talked about..the ancients may have been more aware of science than we give them credit. As for time - God does not adhere to time "a thousand years is but a second and a second a thousand years" - to para phrase...man thinks in terms of time and days....I firmly believe that God does not have a problem with evolution -which is the disection of creation....

Earth is a stunning and awesome miracle - why do we search for the super natural when we are living in it?

[DogOnPorch]

Saw a program a while back where they peeled back some shale and saw dinosaurs foot prints and low and behold some human ones along side. The creation story does hit the mark on occassion - when God creates a firmiment - (dome) in other words an atmosphere! The fact that light is talked about..the ancients may have been more aware of science than we give them credit. As for time - God does not adhere to time "a thousand years is but a second and a second a thousand years" - to para phrase...man thinks in terms of time and days....I firmly believe that God does not have a problem with evolution -which is the disection of creation....

Earth is a stunning and awesome miracle - why do we search for the super natural when we are living in it?

So the Earth is billions of years old with life coming and going in waves, slowly evolving into the forms seen today. I agree.

[Oleg Bach]

So the Earth is billions of years old with life coming and going in waves, slowly evolving into the forms seen today. I agree.

Saw a video of a Californian Potatoe bug....so wierd - like from outer space - point being - this place is brilliant - to the point that the natural world is devine all on it's own - as for humans - a billion years ago - we existed in the same or similar form - then all turns to dust and there is no history....If I was a disembodied spirit drifting on the emptyness - and I could re-incarnate as a human being - It would be like being an angel on a holiday...This place is heaven --- what happens when we are gone is a mystery - just like before we were born we were dead ....."the second death will not hurt you" - Made me wonder what the first death was - why it was pre-existance! This earth is a heaven and "violent men try to take heaven by force" - that's when hell forms on earth.

Also---this buisness that some religions teach that you get your "reward" when you are dead is what slavery was based on.

[g_bambino]

Again humans thing in human phyisical terms...it makes sense with the eternal or infinite that there is no concept in regards to singular or mulitiple. We think in numbers where numbers don't exist. Take for instance the amount of stars that exist - is there one or is there katrillions plus? They are uncountable because there is no end to their number - so numbers are meaningless and do not really exist - hence God is all - singular - mulitiple - existant - non-existant - powerful - powerless....get my drift?

That's your drift, but, apparently, not betsy's.

[betsy]

As the Church Lady says: How convienient!

So the Earth is 6 days old when you want it and 4.5 billion years when it suits.

Excuse me? When did I say Earth is 6 days old?

I resent the way you seem to be twisting what I say and putting words in my mouth.

Did humans and dinosaurs walk the Earth together?

I'm leaning more to believe that they didn't exist at the same time. That's for the record.

Edited June 12, 2011 by betsy

[DogOnPorch]

Excuse me? When did I say Earth is 6 days old?

I resent the way you seem to be twisting what I say and putting words in my mouth.

Gosh...really? Some of your own medicine.

I'm leaning more to believe that they didn't exist at the same time.

Yup...evolution is a reality to be faced.

[betsy]

Gosh...really? Some of your own medicine.

Yup...evolution is a reality to be faced.

So you and I aren't having a rational discussion anymore? That's it then?

Yup...evolution is a reality to be faced.

Micro-evolution. Never macro!

Edited June 12, 2011 by betsy

[DogOnPorch]

So you and I aren't having a rational discussion anymore? That's it then?

I'm sorry. Were we to begin with? You simply do not face questions you do not like. How many dinosaurs did Noah fit on the Ark before he decided 'Screw this...off they go'. Which of Noah's family on the Ark had smallpox? Why were swimming dinosaurs also killed in this flood. The flying ones? What are fossils? Do you 'believe' that Homo Erectus (for example) is our ancestor?

Edited June 12, 2011 by DogOnPorch

[bloodyminded]

And if it is the primary factor in our demise...it'll be caused by man.

Not the chimp, not the shark, not the bird.

Yes...but I was countering your point that intelligence is the best factor for survival. Now you're saying that self-destruction would be proof of that?

The contradiction is pretty clear, isn't it?

No match against humans!

Um, yes. The point is that they've been around longer. Much longer.

Or are you disputing that scientific fact, too?

After all, only those who are blind....or who can't count (like one poster from your camp)....will fail to get it. And I don't think you're a dummy.

I appreciate that...but if you're referring to DoP, I'm afraid to tell you that I rather admire the logic he's employed in this thread.

Edited June 12, 2011 by bloodyminded

[DogOnPorch]

I appreciate that...but if you're referring to DoP, I'm afraid to tell you that I rather admire the logic he's employed in this thread.

We'll be barroom buddies, yet.

[bloodyminded]

We'll be barroom buddies, yet.

If we stick to beer, we'll never even get in a fight.

[DogOnPorch]

If we stick to beer, we'll never even get in a fight.

Head #1: She buggered off.

Head #2: So she has. She's scarpered!

Minstrel: [singing] Brave Sir Betsy ran away. Bravely ran away, away. When danger reared its ugly head, she bravely turned her tail and fled.

[bloodyminded]

Head #1: She buggered off.

Head #2: So she has. She's scarpered!

Minstrel: [singing] Brave Sir Betsy ran away. Bravely ran away, away. When danger reared its ugly head, she bravely turned her tail and fled.

Now, that brings me back. Maybe I'll watch that old warhorse again.

[Oleg Bach]

Excuse me? When did I say Earth is 6 days old?

I resent the way you seem to be twisting what I say and putting words in my mouth.

I'm leaning more to believe that they didn't exist at the same time. That's for the record.

After a few million years pass - things turn to dust and most accurate records are long gone - No one really knows for sure what took place - I have a theory that those huge lizard like creatures could speak...and they all sounded like W.C.Fields....I really believe that....as for any idea of intelligent design....I don't believe it - I have never seen evidence of intelligence in the human race.

[cybercoma]

What among the creatures specified in the Bible has achieved what we have? Name one. Explain.

viruses and bacteria have achieved way more.

[betsy]

viruses and bacteria have achieved way more.

Take note that those were not specified in the list given by Genesis. .

So that's another indirect fact for you! Thank you for the input.

There was another question given by one other poster and my reply will address you both.

who on Noah's ark had AIDS? Who had herpes? Who had Ebola? Or one of any number of diseases?

No one! Why did God have that flood? Because of man's sinful ways! Remember why He did away with Sodom and Gomorrha too. Because of man's sinful ways. Sexual depravity and promiscuity were clearly depicted in both those two instances.

When did all these serious viruses and bacteria became so rampant? Not too long ago!

FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health

PROMISCUITY, UNLAWFUL LIFESTYLES and DISEASE

Excerpt from The First Book of Public Hygiene:

The Israelites were clearly forbidden to have any sexual relationships outside of marriage. The biblical plan of husband and wife constituting an exclusive married unit certainly prevented the spread of venereal diseases.

Because of man’s failure to heed this admonition, sexually transmitted diseases continue to be the world’s leading contagious diseases.9

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v26/i1/hygiene.asp

(Exclusive married unit)

Genesis 1

27 So God created mankind in his own image,

in the image of God he created them;

male and female he created them.

Genesis 2:23-25

23 The man said,

“This is now bone of my bones

and flesh of my flesh;

she shall be called ‘woman,’

for she was taken out of man.”

24 That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.

Matthew 19:3-6

3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”

4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’?

6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

(Sexual relations outside of marriage)

Exodus 20:14

14 “You shall not commit adultery.

Leviticus 18:22

22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

10 “‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.

11 “‘If a man has sexual relations with his father’s wife, he has dishonored his father. Both the man and the woman are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

12 “‘If a man has sexual relations with his daughter-in-law, both of them are to be put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be on their own heads.

13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

14 “‘If a man marries both a woman and her mother, it is wicked. Both he and they must be burned in the fire, so that no wickedness will be among you.

15 “‘If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he is to be put to death, and you must kill the animal.

16 “‘If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it, kill both the woman and the animal. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Exodus 20:14

14 “You shall not commit adultery.

Most, if not all of these diseases are transmitted through sexual acts. It's clearly said in the Bible, the consequences for adultery and promiscuity. Fidelity and un-promiscious sexual activity is very much stressed in the New Testament. In fact, Christ said if you cannot control your sexual needs, it is better that you marry!

By the looks of it, the more deprave we become, the deadlier the outcome. Right now we place so much hope on condoms instead of fidelity in marriage and unpromiscious lifestyle.

I'll bet somewhere down the road.....those condoms will not do us any good!

Viruses and bacteria are ADAPTING! They're getting stronger. Resistant!

The only remedy is following the instructions given by God. If we assume that we are His creation.....therefore we must assume He knows what's good and what's bad for us!

Edited June 13, 2011 by betsy

[betsy]

viruses and bacteria have achieved way more.

Furthermore, not only did the Bible emphasized on the importance of fidelity, abstinence and/or un-promiscious lifestyle, it also addressed the importance of avoiding blood!

Acts 15:19-21

It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. For Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.

We all know that several viruses can be spread by blood.

HIV is one of several viruses transmitted through sexual contact and by exposure to infected blood.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus

[betsy]

viruses and bacteria have achieved way more.

...another furthermore....

Not only did the Bible warned us against adultery/promiscuity, and blood.....God warned us too about bodily fluids and bodily discharges!

FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health

WOUND, SKIN and DISCHARGE PRECAUTIONS

Sanitation practices and disease prevention were introduced some 3,500 years ago, as stated in the Bible!

Excerpt from…The First Book of Public Hygiene:

On 28 September 1976, the following telegram was received at the World Health Organization Headquarters in Geneva:

A SERIOUS EPIDEMIC OF NATURE STILL UNKNOWN IS GOING ON IN THE REGION OF TWO OF OUR PLANTATIONS IN BUMBA ZONE, YAMBUKU COLLECTIVITY. WE THINK IT POSSIBLE FULMINATING TYPHOID OR YELLOW FEVER. SAMPLES HAVE … BEEN SENT TO I.T.M. [institute of Tropical Medicine] IN ANTWERP TO BE ANALYZED. WE WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW THE DIAGNOSIS BY TELEX AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. IN THIS WAY, WE WILL BE ABLE TO ORGANIZE A CAMPAIGN OF VACCINATION FOR OUR EMPLOYEES.

SIGNED /

DR. BUSQUET, KINSHASA1

This was the first information to come out of Zaïre (now Republic of the Congo) regarding the Ebola viral epidemic that killed hundreds of infected Africans living in and around the Yambuku hospital, near the headwaters of the Ebola River.2

The deadly African Ebola virus

Among the more deadly and incurable of viruses is the Ebola virus, named after the Ebola River region in the African Congo, where it was first identified. It has since been found elsewhere in Africa with the same deadly effects.

Doctors suspect that the virus, which equally affects all primates, may have originated in rats. Strangely, some people are totally unaffected by the virus. Outbreaks come in waves and then seem to subside completely.

While research continues, little is known for certain of the virus’s origin and mechanisms of infection.

The nuns at the Yambuku mission hospital were using five unsterilized needles to give injections to hundreds of people each day. Epidemiologists have concluded that this caused the outbreak that occurred simultaneously in 55 villages surrounding the hospital.

The first to die were those who received the injections. Then the disease moved through families, killing mainly those who had prepared the dead for burial. It also swept through the hospital’s staff, killing nurses and midwives who had contact with patient blood and vomit. It is believed that the Ebola disease may have been transmitted through sexual contact as well.

Viral diseases such as Lassa fever, Rift Valley fever, hantavirus and dengue are also striking panic and alarm worldwide. Old diseases that had been considered to be no longer health problems are re-emerging in importance.

What is worse, there is no cure or vaccine for many of these deadly diseases.

On the positive side, the first five books of the Bible, the Pentateuch, provide tremendous insight and relief concerning disease prevention.

These ancient writings, when used in conjunction with modern medicine, can break the mode of transmission of virtually every scourge known to humanity.

What follows is a brief summary of the biblical instructions pertaining to public health and sanitation.

Bear in mind that these regulations were practised some 3,500 years before the germ concept of disease was discovered (mainly by the creationist Louis Pasteur5)!

The instructions recorded in Leviticus 15 are strikingly similar to modern disease-prevention techniques.

For example, anyone touching a person with a ‘running issue’ (that is, a bodily discharge), or anything upon which that person sat or lay, became ‘unclean’. In addition, should the ‘toucher’ touch someone without first having washed his hands, uncleanness would be transferred to the person he touched as well.

Just a little more than 100 years ago, these precautions were instituted in modern medical facilities to prevent diseases from spreading. ‘No touch’ surgical and dressing techniques are now used.6 Gloves are necessary for persons touching infected areas and careful hand washing is observed before and after patient care. In addition, ‘universal precautions’ require that all bodily secretions be treated as potentially infectious agents.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v26/i1/hygiene.asp

Leviticus 15 (NIV)

Discharges Causing Uncleanness

1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When any man has an unusual bodily discharge, such a discharge is unclean. 3 Whether it continues flowing from his body or is blocked, it will make him unclean. This is how his discharge will bring about uncleanness:

4 “‘Any bed the man with a discharge lies on will be unclean, and anything he sits on will be unclean. 5 Anyone who touches his bed must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening. 6 Whoever sits on anything that the man with a discharge sat on must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.

7 “‘Whoever touches the man who has a discharge must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.

8 “‘If the man with the discharge spits on anyone who is clean, they must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.

9 “‘Everything the man sits on when riding will be unclean, 10 and whoever touches any of the things that were under him will be unclean till evening; whoever picks up those things must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.

11 “‘Anyone the man with a discharge touches without rinsing his hands with water must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.

12 “‘A clay pot that the man touches must be broken, and any wooden article is to be rinsed with water.

13 “‘When a man is cleansed from his discharge, he is to count off seven days for his ceremonial cleansing; he must wash his clothes and bathe himself with fresh water, and he will be clean. 14 On the eighth day he must take two doves or two young pigeons and come before the LORD to the entrance to the tent of meeting and give them to the priest. 15 The priest is to sacrifice them, the one for a sin offering[a] and the other for a burnt offering. In this way he will make atonement before the LORD for the man because of his discharge.

16 “‘When a man has an emission of semen, he must bathe his whole body with water, and he will be unclean till evening. 17 Any clothing or leather that has semen on it must be washed with water, and it will be unclean till evening. 18 When a man has sexual relations with a woman and there is an emission of semen, both of them must bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.

19 “‘When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening.

20 “‘Anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean. 21 Anyone who touches her bed will be unclean; they must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening. 22 Anyone who touches anything she sits on will be unclean; they must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening. 23 Whether it is the bed or anything she was sitting on, when anyone touches it, they will be unclean till evening.

24 “‘If a man has sexual relations with her and her monthly flow touches him, he will be unclean for seven days; any bed he lies on will be unclean.

25 “‘When a woman has a discharge of blood for many days at a time other than her monthly period or has a discharge that continues beyond her period, she will be unclean as long as she has the discharge, just as in the days of her period. 26 Any bed she lies on while her discharge continues will be unclean, as is her bed during her monthly period, and anything she sits on will be unclean, as during her period. 27 Anyone who touches them will be unclean; they must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.

28 “‘When she is cleansed from her discharge, she must count off seven days, and after that she will be ceremonially clean. 29 On the eighth day she must take two doves or two young pigeons and bring them to the priest at the entrance to the tent of meeting. 30 The priest is to sacrifice one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. In this way he will make atonement for her before the LORD for the uncleanness of her discharge.

31 “‘You must keep the Israelites separate from things that make them unclean, so they will not die in their uncleanness for defiling my dwelling place, which is among them.’”

32 These are the regulations for a man with a discharge, for anyone made unclean by an emission of semen, 33 for a woman in her monthly period, for a man or a woman with a discharge, and for a man who has sexual relations with a woman who is ceremonially unclean.

Edited June 13, 2011 by betsy