bush_cheney2004 Posted September 1, 2011 Report Posted September 1, 2011 A What If: Liberal Democratic Party in Election 2011 Means more seats for conservatives. Yep....drive a stake into the heart of a dying Liberal party, setting up stark choices come election day. It is in Canada's best interest to remove the mushy middle and consolidate CPC gains. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted September 2, 2011 Report Posted September 2, 2011 The Liberals draw support by being a middle of the road party which veers a little to the left. A united party would either veer too far to the left for the comfort of mainstream voters, and lose them, or stay too close to the centre and lose the more left wing voters to the Green, or some new left wing party which is bound to emerge. While the Liberals have been generally a pragmatic party, their stances on the major issues have lined up pretty close to the NDP recently, as the latter moves closer to the centre. During the last election, Lloyd Robertson grilled Layton on the fact that there was little difference between the two parties' platforms. I don't disagree with what you've said though. By Canadian political standards, this is accurate. Quote
Evening Star Posted September 5, 2011 Report Posted September 5, 2011 While the Liberals have been generally a pragmatic party, their stances on the major issues have lined up pretty close to the NDP recently, as the latter moves closer to the centre. During the last election, Lloyd Robertson grilled Layton on the fact that there was little difference between the two parties' platforms. I don't disagree with what you've said though. By Canadian political standards, this is accurate. Did you believe the Liberals during the last election campaign, cybercoma? Did you think that platform was congruent with their Commons voting record? Rob Silver openly admitted afterwards that they didn't even believe in those policies themselves. Quote
jacee Posted September 5, 2011 Report Posted September 5, 2011 Do they? Harper, a man with no charisma who just came through a recession got 40% of the vote, despite the 'scary-scary' still making a lot of people apprehensive. What are people going to use for 'scary-scary' after four years of him in a majority government? And if the economy improves, which it probably will, do you really think it improbable he could get over 50%? Now imagine the Conservatives with a leader who was a better speaker, and who had some charisma... You mean like Mulroney? Quote
cybercoma Posted September 5, 2011 Report Posted September 5, 2011 (edited) Did you believe the Liberals during the last election campaign, cybercoma? Did you think that platform was congruent with their Commons voting record? Rob Silver openly admitted afterwards that they didn't even believe in those policies themselves. It doesn't matter what I believe. The platforms lined up. If the LPC is going to run on an NDP platoform, they might as well fold up the party and join the NDP. Edited September 5, 2011 by cybercoma Quote
Keepitsimple Posted September 5, 2011 Report Posted September 5, 2011 (edited) You mean like Mulroney? Funny you should mention him. He was actually the last PM to get 50% of the popular vote - in 1984. Edited September 5, 2011 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
Tilter Posted September 6, 2011 Report Posted September 6, 2011 (edited) I don't think it would work.In the Conservatives case, Harper started out as a reform and now people say he 's more PC and there aren't that many REformers left in the party, they have left when Harper turned back to PC. So, if the NDP and Libs joined, soon Libs would out number NDP and then you have the NDP back being the NDP with its own party. There's too many small differences that would break the parties. Stay with 3 major parties. The Libs will be back, better than ever. I think it would be too confusing to any liberal voters that are still around 4 years from now. What would it be-- the New Democratic Liberal party?--- That wouldn't fly with Kreetin-- anything to do with Democracy would definitely go against the grain for any voters who remember those "open vote" <_< years under Kreetin So No-- No NDLP party. Then-- with that massive flukey win of 103 seats the NDPrs would never go for the New Liberally Democratic Party--they don't like the reference of "liberal"--- too free & easy (and that name wouldn't even mention St Jack or St Tommy) Never happen. Edited September 6, 2011 by Tilter Quote
jacee Posted September 6, 2011 Report Posted September 6, 2011 Not sure why anyone would think the NDP would want to hitch their horse to a falling star! Quote
Evening Star Posted September 6, 2011 Report Posted September 6, 2011 Not sure why anyone would think the NDP would want to hitch their horse to a falling star! This is exactly what I don't get about this. The last polls I saw showed the NDP tied with the CPC with the Liberals trailing well behind. I don't really have any sense that anyone outside the city of Toronto is that excited about the Liberal Party. Quote
August1991 Posted September 16, 2011 Author Report Posted September 16, 2011 (edited) into what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul?--Mark in the bible somewhere Saruman: We must join with Him, Gandalf. We must join with Sauron. It would be wise, my friend. -- inspired by a madmax post September 2027: Elderly Governor General Stephen Harper today signed legislation sent to him by Prime Minister Jason Kenney....An assumption renders all such calculations irrelevant. 50% is the most a combined party can expect. The rest would stay at home or vote conservative. "50% is the most a combined party can expect." And that would be enough to defeat Harper's Conservatives.IMHO, this is, as Americans say, a no-brainer. Edited September 16, 2011 by August1991 Quote
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