Layton getting hammered by reporters

[Smallc]

Google search only yields newspaper articles. There are no test results to be found, published limitations, or any other valid information.

The information obviously came from somewhere.

I'm talking about the airfoil, not the aircraft. There is a lot of commonality between the two. Given the aerodynamics, combined with the F-35's greater wing loading, one would expect better crosswind performance, something I haven't seen any negative reports of.

The crosswind problem comes up when the landing parachute is used on short runways. That's something that the F-18 doesn't need.

[August1991]

I take it back I looked into it, the budget is 11 Billion. About twice as much as Toronto. Also it is 5 billion less then the Deficit the Liberals are running in Ontario right now. Funny to think a deficit is larger then the budget of a province like Sask.

But more than half of a provincial government budget is non-discretionary: health and education.

City budgets are different.

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Punked, it is foolish to argue that the NDP has managed well government budgets. In fact, sometimes they have, and sometimes they haven't. At most, the NDP has shown good results managing small government budgets but very bad results managing budgets of big governments.

Layton is a big-city socialist/NDP, he's not a farmer.

Does this matter? IMHO, no.

In a few days, many Canadians will choose an NDP candidate. Such is democracy. And frankly, I would not have it any other way.

Edited April 29, 2011 by August1991

[Smallc]

But more than half of a provincial government is non-discretionary: health and education.

Sure, but that all has to be managed by the province anyway.

[punked]

But more than half of a provincial government budget is non-discretionary: health and education.

City budgets are different.

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Punked, it is foolish to argue that the NDP has managed well government budgets. In fact, sometimes they have, and sometimes they haven't. At most, the NDP has shown good results managing small government budgets but very bad results managing budgets of big governments.

Layton is a big-city socialist/NDP, he's not a farmer.

Does this matter? IMHO, no.

In a few days, many Canadians will choose an NDP candidate. Such is democracy. And frankly, I would not have it any other way.

Agreed August Agreed lets let these chips fall where they may Canada will be just fine.

[cybercoma]

I find it funny that not only are we talking about a government from 2 decades ago, but we're crossing jurisdictions in our comparisons here.

[Handsome Rob]

The information obviously came from somewhere.

Hence I asked for a cite. I don't believe it, and would be interested to read it. Just because it's repeated 1000 times doesn't make it true.

The crosswind problem comes up when the landing parachute is used on short runways. That's something that the F-18 doesn't need.

And what valid information says the F-35 does? Empty weight is within 5,000 pounds, wing loading is the same, one would expect similar landing performance.

[Smallc]

And what valid information says the F-35 does? Empty weight is within 5,000 pounds, wing loading is the same, one would expect similar landing performance.

Well obviously, it isn't. David Pugliese doesn't just post things because.

[August1991]

Agreed August Agreed lets let these chips fall where they may Canada will be just fine.

I agree.

I'm no socialist and moreover, I think this place called Canada is much more than any federal or provincial government, or even a Dominion or a State. Canada is the people and rocks and trees who happen to be here.

Heck, about 15,000 years ago, most of Canada was under ice.

[blueblood]

I agree.

I'm no socialist and moreover, I think this place called Canada is much more than any federal or provincial government, or even a Dominion or a State. Canada is the people and rocks and trees who happen to be here.

Heck, about 15,000 years ago, most of Canada was under ice.

Oh it will still be canada. Whether it will be a richer or poorer canada is up in the air. Everytime I see a politician who has a little too much chaisma, I see massive spending. The more boring they are, the better.

The sad thing is canadians are potentially throwing away the chance at prosperity. I remember the last time a politician with charisma came trotting around with ideas and we are still paying for it.

[Battletoads]

Oh it will still be canada. Whether it will be a richer or poorer canada is up in the air. Everytime I see a politician who has a little too much chaisma, I see massive spending. The more boring they are, the better.

The sad thing is canadians are potentially throwing away the chance at prosperity. I remember the last time a politician with charisma came trotting around with ideas and we are still paying for it.

Personally I never found Mulroney to be all the charismatic.

[Guest Derek L]

Without a news article? I read it on defence watch a couple of months ago, I think. It's what made me change my mind.

Well we weren't buying the F-22, were we? The F-35A is non a carrier variant. There are many reasons we went for the F-18 over the F-16. One of the main reasons was the arctic.

Most "popular reasons" are urban legends though, what excluded the F-16 was it's original fire control radar (APG-66) couldn't support the medium range Sparrow missile, which we needed in both NATO and NORAD deployments. If it had, like later F-16 versions, we would have gone F-16, since it was alot cheaper, we could have replaced the Voodoos and Lawn Darts one for one, unlike the reduced buy we did with Hornet as per historic

The one vs two engine debate is false. The Americans, Norway and Denmark used their F-16s in arctic conditions for decades. Statically, most conditions that would cause the loss of engine in flight are fuel contamination, which in an F-18 due to their fuel storage would cause the loss of both engines. Same with battle damage, due to the placement of the engines in the Hornet, if one was hit, the other would very likely suffer damage as well.

[August1991]

Oh it will still be canada. Whether it will be a richer or poorer canada is up in the air. Everytime I see a politician who has a little too much chaisma, I see massive spending. The more boring they are, the better.

BB, I tend to agree with you.

Argentina, for example, had similar people, rocks and trees as Canada in 1900. Then, people in Argentina made a mess of it. In 2000, a century later, people in Canada on average live better than people in Argentina.

I hope that people in Canada, around 2100, don't suffer our choices.

[Smallc]

Most "popular reasons" are urban legends though, what excluded the F-16 was it's original fire control radar (APG-66) couldn't support the medium range Sparrow missile, which we needed in both NATO and NORAD deployments.

I never said anything about two engines. I'm talking about landing distance. From what I understand, the F-18 bear trap is even used in some northern areas.

[Keepitsimple]

The one vs two engine debate is false. The Americans, Norway and Denmark used their F-16s in arctic conditions for decades. Statically, most conditions that would cause the loss of engine in flight are fuel contamination, which in an F-18 due to their fuel storage would cause the loss of both engines. Same with battle damage, due to the placement of the engines in the Hornet, if one was hit, the other would very likely suffer damage as well.

The other huge advantage of a single engine plane is in maintenance costs. Traditionally, maintenance costs are 50% engine related. With only one engine.....well, you get the idea. We'll save on engine maintenance but likely, some of that will go towards technology maintenance. The point being, maintenmance costs - which will employ Canadians - should be along the lines of the current CF18 fleet. I wonder why we haven't heard more about this?

Edited April 29, 2011 by Keepitsimple

[Shakeyhands]

Yet he may answer questions in Iqaluit or Regina. Edmonton and Yellowknife, maybe not.

Meh, either way we KNOW that Harper won't. It doesn't seem to me that this is a discussion the Booster Club or the Party really wants top have.