Almost 2 million First Nations Votes

[Chippewa]

Everybody here obvously knows the topic. Who and why can they get these votes, and how can they convince them to vote.

Promises by some of the Parties.

1. Conservative promise to cut education funding by 500 million over the next 3 years, and add 5000 jail cells.

2. Liberals promise to leave eduacation funding alone with no cap.

3. NDP seem to have First Nations candidates and promises with to increase funding according to the largest growing population in Canada.

Thus far, it seems the NDP will likely scoop up near 60-80% of the First Nations votes with the Liberals cleaning up the rest of the percentile.

This is about the general consensus across Canada.

Where can the Conservatives make up ground? Right now, they need a few promises to fix up some basic and fundimental problems. Even if the promises don't mean a thing, the old rule of guard, is make a promise you can't keep, because it will atleast keep your face clean.

[ToadBrother]

Where can the Conservatives make up ground? Right now, they need a few promises to fix up some basic and fundimental problems. Even if the promises don't mean a thing, the old rule of guard, is make a promise you can't keep, because it will atleast keep your face clean.

The Tories are going to view First Nations as a group that isn't likely to swing towards them no matter what they promise, so they're not likely to even go so far as to lie to them.

[Chippewa]

The Tories are going to view First Nations as a group that isn't likely to swing towards them no matter what they promise, so they're not likely to even go so far as to lie to them.

I met Harpar, I dont think he is as dumb as you think.

The Swing on the election for First Nations voters may come down to an Education issue for First Nations. This issue the hottest thing on the stove right now, and whispers going around im not sure about what party is going to fund it, but campaign adds with First Nations and Education may become a side show tv slot, to sway First Nations voters.

Who jumps on with the most promise might get the add.

The reality of the business of politics in tv land, is you know that politics can be dumbed down by promises that can never be made, and partnerships that can't be had. That is the the busness of politics. Buy votes that you never had, and promise things that can't be delivered.

[cybercoma]

NDP announce their indigenous platform, made in consultation with the First Nations communities and the NDP's 13 aboriginal candidates.

http://www.straight.com/article-390034/vancouver/ndp-pledge-new-partnership-aboriginal-communities-indigenous-platform

[mikedavid00]

Where can the Conservatives make up ground?

Can you tell me why First Nations collect welfare checks from me, the tax payer and refuse to work for a living?

You are demanding special treatment and answers, now me, the tax payer who funds your welfare check for you to sit on your ass, is demanding answers from your community.

You guys should claim a part of Canada and make it your own country. See who will pay your welfare checks then.

[Shwa]

Can you tell me why First Nations White People collect welfare checks from me, the tax payer and refuse to work for a living?

You are demanding special treatment and answers, now me, the tax payer who funds your welfare check for you to sit on your ass, is demanding answers from your community.

You guys should claim a part of Canada and make it your own country. See who will pay your welfare checks then.

What do you know, it works both ways. Cool.

Edited April 28, 2011 by Shwa

[Topaz]

Can you tell me why First Nations collect welfare checks from me, the tax payer and refuse to work for a living?

You are demanding special treatment and answers, now me, the tax payer who funds your welfare check for you to sit on your ass, is demanding answers from your community.

You guys should claim a part of Canada and make it your own country. See who will pay your welfare checks then.

First of all, you have to have an education before you get a job and many don't have access to education. Secondly, you have to have someone willing to hire you. I don't think there many white businesses out there wanting FN people. The white society has branded the FN as unfit to work and so unless you want people to starve, its welfare. I don't like paying for welfare people either but we have to help ALL people in Canada for a better life. I think mmost Canadians don't realize how bad some FN are living and there's some that don't care.

[Shwa]

First of all, you have to have an education before you get a job and many don't have access to education.

Wrong.

Aboriginal peoples in Canada’s urban area – Narrowing the education gap

Secondly, you have to have someone willing to hire you. I don't think there many white businesses out there wanting FN people.

Wrong.

Study: Aboriginal labour market update

The white society has branded the FN as unfit to work and so unless you want people to starve, its welfare.

"White society" my ass. YOU have just now branded the FN as unfit for work and are assigning your opinion as a truth about "white society." See above. Good God.

I don't like paying for welfare people either but we have to help ALL people in Canada for a better life. I think mmost Canadians don't realize how bad some FN are living and there's some that don't care.

MOST FN are doing just fine. Here, let's apply your opinion the other way around and see if it rings true a la crazy mikedavid00:

I don't like paying for welfare people either but we have to help ALL people in Canada for a better life. I think mmost Canadians don't realize how bad some white people are living and there's some that don't care.

Yep. When you generalize that broadly, almost anything you say is true innit?

[PIK]

First of all, you have to have an education before you get a job and many don't have access to education. Secondly, you have to have someone willing to hire you. I don't think there many white businesses out there wanting FN people. The white society has branded the FN as unfit to work and so unless you want people to starve, its welfare. I don't like paying for welfare people either but we have to help ALL people in Canada for a better life. I think mmost Canadians don't realize how bad some FN are living and there's some that don't care.

Can't blame the whiteman for what is going on now, but thier own leaders. The amount of money that if thrown at these people is sickening, they should be no native living in squalor. The chiefs have a big part in keeping their own people down.

[cybercoma]

No problems on the reserves. Nothing to see here folks.

Ostrich anyone? I had ostrich burger on a french baguette one time. It was delicious.

[Shwa]

No problems on the reserves. Nothing to see here folks.

Ostrich anyone? I had ostrich burger on a french baguette one time. It was delicious.

Trouble is, you are generalizing and making assumptions of all First Nations based upon your limited view of a few reserves. For example, did you know that roughly half of Aboriginal people live off-reserve? Of did you think that all of them were on reserves.

It ain't the sand you need to worry about...

[Chippewa]

Can you tell me why First Nations collect welfare checks from me, the tax payer and refuse to work for a living?

You are demanding special treatment and answers, now me, the tax payer who funds your welfare check for you to sit on your ass, is demanding answers from your community.

You guys should claim a part of Canada and make it your own country. See who will pay your welfare checks then.

I don't think its your tax money that pays for anything. First Nations have Trust Funds worth Billions. Most of that has been stolen by the common theft, called a caucazoid. For example, First Nations resources bring in 505 billion in profit every year, and all of this land is laundered out to resource companies.

The common tax payer working 9-5 pays for things like other Banana Boats coming to the country to ensure that they Steal and Launder First Nations Property, for the purpose of economic terrorism. Thats what it all comes down to. The common tax payer only owns 2% of the wealth in North America. So why does anybody care if the Resources go back to the First Nations, when most of you would benefit more then you already are.

Just knock off 8 billion a year from the 505 billion from profits of the resource companies, or take it off the Six Nations people who have 1 trillion in trust that brings in 35 billion in interest every year.... Wait thats stolen money, land, and resources for the purpose of economic terrorism.

The government funds more in Farming grants then they do with First Nations in Canada.

I was glad when First Nations threatened to shut down the G20 summit, by blocking off all the Highways and Railways, because I think its almost time for First Nations to start pulling out the guns to start standing up for there Treaty and Aboriginal Rights against Immigrant Banana Boat Occupiers. Harpar almost caused a civil unrest, just to prove a point to his summit that Taxing foreign nations such as First Nations can be done. It back fired.

Peasant immigrants fresh off the boat somehow assume they have more rights to the land and resources then First Nations people in this Corporation called Canada. They also assume that since they were born on stolen property that they have a right to the stolen property they were born on. Whether you were born in a stolen shopping cart in Walmart or you born on stolen property in Canada, none of them have a right to own stolen property.

All treaties were made with Britan, and they left town and created a country called Canada. All without ever asking the First Nations people for permission to make a country or corporation on there property. So Canada might aswell be the Hudson Bay Company. When Britan left town, they also abandon all treaties, which means all land goes back to First Nations. Britan never had anything to threaten First Nations with, since all we did was defeat them in wars for 100s of years. They never had nothing to bargain with, because they never had anything to pay with such as money or whatnot. What good was money from Britan or Spain when it was around the world. They might aswell have traded pac-man cards, cause thats its worth.

First Nations paid for the roads, cities, and everything else here, just look at the billions stolen from them such as Oil, Gas, and other resources like Gold, Silver. When it comes down to it, First Nations just view Canada as a bunch of Thefts without a cause.

[ToadBrother]

Trouble is, you are generalizing and making assumptions of all First Nations based upon your limited view of a few reserves. For example, did you know that roughly half of Aboriginal people live off-reserve? Of did you think that all of them were on reserves.

It ain't the sand you need to worry about...

What counts in the great electoral calculations is that though there are almost two million First Nations voters out there, they have no singular geographical constituencies, so they end up being like Green supporters.

That's why I think First Nations should be given some Senate seats to create a polity and to give it a voice.

[Chippewa]

What counts in the great electoral calculations is that though there are almost two million First Nations voters out there, they have no singular geographical constituencies, so they end up being like Green supporters.

That's why I think First Nations should be given some Senate seats to create a polity and to give it a voice.

I agree.

Its better to negotiate with a hand shake and ball point, then it is with a piece of paper and a gun.

Even though Senate has little to no power, it would be a start.

[cybercoma]

Trouble is, you are generalizing and making assumptions of all First Nations based upon your limited view of a few reserves. For example, did you know that roughly half of Aboriginal people live off-reserve? Of did you think that all of them were on reserves.

It ain't the sand you need to worry about...

Half of our FN people live on reserves and the problems on reserves are not limited to a small few. There's a small few that are doing well, rather. The lack of clean drinking water, the problems with education, healthcare, and jobs is troubling. When they say many of our reserves are like third world countries, they're not kidding. Those are the direct responsibility of the federal government.

[TTM]

Where can the Conservatives make up ground? Right now, they need a few promises to fix up some basic and fundimental problems. Even if the promises don't mean a thing, the old rule of guard, is make a promise you can't keep, because it will atleast keep your face clean.

Will never happen. Promising natives anything angers their base even more than promising Quebec anything.

[Tilter]

I don't think its your tax money that pays for anything. First Nations have Trust Funds worth Billions. Most of that has been stolen by the common theft, called a caucazoid. For example, First Nations resources bring in 505 billion in profit every year, and all of this land is laundered out to resource companies.

The common tax payer working 9-5 pays for things like other Banana Boats coming to the country to ensure that they Steal and Launder First Nations Property, for the purpose of economic terrorism. Thats what it all comes down to. The common tax payer only owns 2% of the wealth in North America. So why does anybody care if the Resources go back to the First Nations, when most of you would benefit more then you already are.

Just knock off 8 billion a year from the 505 billion from profits of the resource companies, or take it off the Six Nations people who have 1 trillion in trust that brings in 35 billion in interest every year.... Wait thats stolen money, land, and resources for the purpose of economic terrorism.

The government funds more in Farming grants then they do with First Nations in Canada.

I was glad when First Nations threatened to shut down the G20 summit, by blocking off all the Highways and Railways, because I think its almost time for First Nations to start pulling out the guns to start standing up for there Treaty and Aboriginal Rights against Immigrant Banana Boat Occupiers. Harpar almost caused a civil unrest, just to prove a point to his summit that Taxing foreign nations such as First Nations can be done. It back fired.

Peasant immigrants fresh off the boat somehow assume they have more rights to the land and resources then First Nations people in this Corporation called Canada. They also assume that since they were born on stolen property that they have a right to the stolen property they were born on. Whether you were born in a stolen shopping cart in Walmart or you born on stolen property in Canada, none of them have a right to own stolen property.

All treaties were made with Britan, and they left town and created a country called Canada. All without ever asking the First Nations people for permission to make a country or corporation on there property. So Canada might aswell be the Hudson Bay Company. When Britan left town, they also abandon all treaties, which means all land goes back to First Nations. Britan never had anything to threaten First Nations with, since all we did was defeat them in wars for 100s of years. They never had nothing to bargain with, because they never had anything to pay with such as money or whatnot. What good was money from Britan or Spain when it was around the world. They might aswell have traded pac-man cards, cause thats its worth.

First Nations paid for the roads, cities, and everything else here, just look at the billions stolen from them such as Oil, Gas, and other resources like Gold, Silver. When it comes down to it, First Nations just view Canada as a bunch of Thefts without a cause.

If what you say is true, why do you need ANY funding from the Feds or Provincial governments?

Education?-- A native needs but to apply for Post secondary training, Community College or University and his/her tuition is paid by the Department of Indian affairs. (Since the government writes checks re Indian Affairs, let's simplify this & say "Indians" as they do)

to access these benefits The Indian first needs a Primary & a High school education. These are both provided to the Indian either on the Reserve or in the public school system.

How many Indians complete school to this level?

If what you are saying about the Trust funds is true, the earnings alone are enough to provide a good stipend to each Canadian Indian plus the building, repair & maintainance of infrastructure & residences in all the Reserves in Canada, enough to build high class elementary & high schools (better than public schools off the reserve) on the reserve to educate the youths to high school level so that they can obtain the paid for university & college courses needed & available to them.

Maybe it's time for the rank & file Indian to get off his/her ass & onto a soapbox to get themselves their share of the money they are paid by the Feds and get more access to the funds you mentioned

[ToadBrother]

I agree.

Its better to negotiate with a hand shake and ball point, then it is with a piece of paper and a gun.

Even though Senate has little to no power, it would be a start.

Actually, the Senate has a tremendous amount of power, though seldom used. The Senate essentially has all the powers of the Commons except that money bills have to be introduced in the Commons.

[guyser]

Can you tell me why First Nations collect welfare checks from me, the tax payer and refuse to work for a living?

You are demanding special treatment and answers, now me, the tax payer who funds your welfare check for you to sit on your ass, is demanding answers from your community.

You guys should claim a part of Canada and make it your own country. See who will pay your welfare checks then.

Stop yelling at the mirror.

Will it rain on Monday?

[jacee]

If what you say is true, why do you need ANY funding from the Feds or Provincial governments?

Education?-- A native needs but to apply for Post secondary training, Community College or University and his/her tuition is paid by the Department of Indian affairs. (Since the government writes checks re Indian Affairs, let's simplify this & say "Indians" as they do)

to access these benefits The Indian first needs a Primary & a High school education. These are both provided to the Indian either on the Reserve or in the public school system.

How many Indians complete school to this level?

If what you are saying about the Trust funds is true, the earnings alone are enough to provide a good stipend to each Canadian Indian plus the building, repair & maintainance of infrastructure & residences in all the Reserves in Canada, enough to build high class elementary & high schools (better than public schools off the reserve) on the reserve to educate the youths to high school level so that they can obtain the paid for university & college courses needed & available to them.

Maybe it's time for the rank & file Indian to get off his/her ass & onto a soapbox to get themselves their share of the money they are paid by the Feds and get more access to the funds you mentioned

It's 'interesting' to see it laid out this way, in terms of the trust funds held by the federal government that belong to First Nations. Unfortunately First Nations on soapboxes or even barricades still don't get an accounting of their funds from Ottawa.

[Shwa]

Half of our FN people live on reserves and the problems on reserves are not limited to a small few. There's a small few that are doing well, rather. The lack of clean drinking water, the problems with education, healthcare, and jobs is troubling. When they say many of our reserves are like third world countries, they're not kidding. Those are the direct responsibility of the federal government.

"There's a small few that are doing well, rather."

Cite your source.

Can't? Didn't think so...

[Shwa]

What counts in the great electoral calculations is that though there are almost two million First Nations voters out there, they have no singular geographical constituencies, so they end up being like Green supporters.

That's why I think First Nations should be given some Senate seats to create a polity and to give it a voice.

The "voice" of the First Nations people is supposed to be the Assembly of First Nations, but that mechanism really doesn't work well since it is an extension of the colonial apparatus imposed on First Nations governance in the first place. Band Councils and Chiefs, etc.

A few senate seats is an intriguing idea though and would allow for direct participation in the democracy.

[Shady]

First Nations vote for whichever party promises them the most money that they haven't earned. That pretty much sums up the NDP electorate in general.

[ToadBrother]

First Nations vote for whichever party promises them the most money that they haven't earned. That pretty much sums up the NDP electorate in general.

Your spittle is leaking on to your shirt.

[ToadBrother]

The "voice" of the First Nations people is supposed to be the Assembly of First Nations, but that mechanism really doesn't work well since it is an extension of the colonial apparatus imposed on First Nations governance in the first place. Band Councils and Chiefs, etc.

It also has no real political clout. It's like saying the Rotarians are an effective political organization.

A few senate seats is an intriguing idea though and would allow for direct participation in the democracy.

It's the most sensible way I can think of to give First Nations a voice in Parliament. I don't want to fiddle with the way the House of Commons is constituted, I think it should remain a rep-by-pop house of Parliament, and the Senate should be rejigged as the house of the Partners in Confederation, and the natural place where specific constitutional entities like the First Nations can sit.