Realistically, how big a majority could Layton get?

[Harry]

Initially before the orange crush started I thought the NDP might have been able to win 70 seats. Now I think the NDP have a very good chance of coming first in number of seats Monday nite. I'm assuminhg Harper will be a man of his word, and that he was not just telling another lie, when he said the party who gets the most seats governs.

Election campaign 2011 enters uncharted territory,' say strategists, observers

The campaign to Mondays election has entered 'uncharted territory,' with the NDP poised to capture a record number of seats and official opposition

Conservative commentators suggested that even though Mr. Harper and Mr. Ignatieff have attempted to dismiss the notion Mr. Layton could emerge as the Prime Minister-elect, with Mr. Harper on Thursday claiming an NDP government would produce gas hikes up to 14 cents a litre through its plan to limit greenhouse gases through emission caps, strategists do not rule the possibility out.

http://www.hilltimes.com/dailyupdate/view/election_campaign_2011_enters_uncharted_territory_say_strategists_observers_04-28-2011

Edited April 29, 2011 by Harry

[nittanylionstorm07]

And lowering small business taxes out of existence...but your forgot that, didn't you?

Remember, to people like Shady, it's best if corporations buy up all of the small businesses or put them out of business.

[Shady]

And lowering small business taxes out of existence...but your forgot that, didn't you?

Tax credits are much different then tax rates. Tax credits are usually a gimmick. If you do and say exactly what the government wants, then you might get some money back. No business plans ahead on a proposed tax credit. Especially when Layton wants to increase the cost of doing business in Canada.

[Rick]

Tax credits are much different then tax rates. Tax credits are usually a gimmick. If you do and say exactly what the government wants, then you might get some money back. No business plans ahead on a proposed tax credit. Especially when Layton wants to increase the cost of doing business in Canada.

So Harper's tax credit for kids fitness was nothing but a gimmick too then right?

Along with all of the other tax credits, art, home renovation etc.. or should I say gimmicks (your word) he handed out...?

[Smallc]

Tax credits are much different then tax rates.

Again, you didn't read what I said:

We will reduce the small business tax rate from 11 per cent to nine per cent to support a sector of our economy that creates nearly half of all new jobs in Canada.

That's only the start. The provincial NDP here has eliminated the small business tax.

[cybercoma]

Tax credits are usually a gimmick.

Interesting. You might be right. That's a good criticism of the budget Harper and the Conservatives tried to have passed. It included at minimum the following:

A $2,000 non-refundable Family Caregiver Tax Credit (worth $300) for caregivers of infirm dependants who currently receive one of the following dependency-related credits: the Spousal or Common-Law Partner Credit, the Child Tax Credit, the Eligible Dependant Credit, the Caregiver Credit or the Infirm Dependant Credit. The measure will apply for the 2012 tax year. (Page 114).

Eliminate the $10,000 limit currently applicable for claims under the Medical Expense Tax Credit for the 2011 tax year. (Page 115).

A $500 (worth $75) non-refundable Children’s Arts Tax Credit for children under the age of 16 years registered in a qualifying supervised activity. Despite the name, the credit will apply to eligible “artistic, cultural, recreational or developmental” activities. For children eligible for the Disability Tax Credit, the age limit is 18 years and the tax credit is increased by an additional $500. (Page 118).

A $3,000 non-refundable Volunteer Firefighter Tax Credit (worth $450) for volunteer firefighers who perform at least 200 hours of service in a year. (Page 119).

The budget contains numerous measures that tweaks the rules concerning RESPs, RDSPs, Tuition Tax Credits and Charitable donations.

source:

http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/budget-2011-enhanced-gis-and-new-tax-credits/

How do you respond to that giant steaming pile of "gimmick"?

Edited April 29, 2011 by cybercoma

[capricorn]

Remember, to people like Shady, it's best if corporations buy up all of the small businesses or put them out of business.

And to people like you, it's best to tax the hell out of corporations, a move which would chase them out of Canada. What you fail to realize is that many small businesses supply corporations with goods and services that corporations prefer to leave to those small firms. For example, had the main auto manufacturers in Ontario not received loans from the government to survive the economic downturn, how many parts manufacturers and distributors would have gone out of business, throwing thousands out of work?

[WWWTT]

Tax credits don't create jobs. Businesses having work that needs to be done does. The NDP plan of raising taxes overall, and slowing the economy down makes any so-called tax credit for hiring completely moot. Once again, Jack Layton proves he's as economically illiterate as Barack Obama. Layton's a nice guy, but dumb as bricks.

Now actually your wrong

Companies that have paying customers hire employees to provide services and fill orders.

Theres a name for them-consumers-you and me!

You have bein brainwashed buddy and this is not a case of the chicken and the egg!

Consumers drive the economy.If you do not know this it is because of one of three things:

1) Your ignorant

2) Your lying

3) Your brainwashed and you actually believe what you are saying!

WWWTT

[Smallc]

For example, had the main auto manufacturers in Ontario not received loans from the government to survive the economic downturn, how many parts manufacturers and distributors would have gone out of business, throwing thousands out of work?

But it wasn't a right wing policy to give such loans, so that's a terrible example.

[cybercoma]

"You're" grammar is atrocious.

[Shady]

Again, you didn't read what I said:

That's only the start. The provincial NDP here has eliminated the small business tax.

That's great. Except Layton hasn't said anything about doing that.

[Harry]

Let's sign some nore of those right-wing trade agreements so we can lose lots more good Canadian jobs.

If you listened to the right-wing rhetoric you might think that without these trade agreements Canada wouldn't be trading with other countries.

Edited April 29, 2011 by Harry

[Smallc]

That's great. Except Layton hasn't said anything about doing that.

I took that line from their platform.

[capricorn]

Initially before the orange crush started I thought the NDP might have been able to win 70 seats. Now I think the NDP have a very good chance of coming first in number of seats Monday nite.

Never mind the orange crush. I think you have a tremendous crush on Jack Layton.

[Shady]

I took that line from their platform.

You just said it was the provincial NDP. Layton hasn't said anything about it. Your support of Layton is all based on emotion, and zero on logic and reason. You're perfectly comfortable risking the Canadian economy, and the gains in deficit and debt reduction under Chretien and Martin, all for some deep-seeded need to "stick it to Harper" for some type of hypocrisy. Unbelievable.

[WWWTT]

Never mind the orange crush. I think you have a tremendous crush on Jack Layton.

Actually its more like that we are mostly happy to see Harper and Ignatieff getting what they deserve-the business end of the Orange Crush!

WWWTT

[WWWTT]

You just said it was the provincial NDP. Layton hasn't said anything about it. Your support of Layton is all based on emotion, and zero on logic and reason. You're perfectly comfortable risking the Canadian economy, and the gains in deficit and debt reduction under Chretien and Martin, all for some deep-seeded need to "stick it to Harper" for some type of hypocrisy. Unbelievable.

You really believe what you write!Wow!

WWWTT

[capricorn]

But it wasn't a right wing policy to give such loans, so that's a terrible example.

I never claimed it was a right wing policy.

[capricorn]

Let's sign some nore of those right-wing trade agreements so we can lose lots more good Canadian jobs.

If you listened to the right-wing rhetoric you might think that without these trade agreements Canada wouldn't be trading with other countries.

And Layton wants to restrict trade to one dollar of imports to every dollar of exports. More regulations, more watchdogs and more litigation. Layton's a protectionist.

[Smallc]

You just said it was the provincial NDP. Layton hasn't said anything about it. Your support of Layton is all based on emotion, and zero on logic and reason.

I've already explained my position. I don't really care what you think of it. I'm not the one with a credibility problem.

You're perfectly comfortable risking the Canadian economy, and the gains in deficit and debt reduction under Chretien and Martin, all for some deep-seeded need to "stick it to Harper" for some type of hypocrisy. Unbelievable.

And you seem perfectly capable of sloganeering. The reality is, Canadians risked the economy in 2006 and even in 2004. The Liberals were punished over a measly $100M, and so we got a minority and tax cut and spend Harper. See how that works?

Harper has lied one too many times about our institutions for me....and like I said, he's no economic genius.

[Smallc]

And Layton wants to restrict trade to one dollar of imports to every dollar of exports. More regulations, more watchdogs and more litigation. Layton's a protectionist.

Lets see him get that past the House.

[Harry]

And Layton wants to restrict trade to one dollar of imports to every dollar of exports. More regulations, more watchdogs and more litigation. Layton's a protectionist.

Layton wants to protect and create decent jobs for Canadians. I call that representing the average working family in this country but you can label it whatever you want.

Edited April 29, 2011 by Harry

[RNG]

Layton wants to protect and create decent jobs for Canadians. I call that representing the average working family in this country but you can label it whatever you want.

In spite of the fact that all of history proves it doesn't work and in fact makes things worse. Dream on, in your fundie socialist fantasy world.

[Smallc]

Layton wants to protect and create decent jobs for Canadians. I call that representing the average working family in this country but you can label it whatever you want.

I call it a bad idea, and it won't happen. The NDP will moderate in government, because they'll be faced with realities. The same thing happens to every government. It certainly happened to the Conservatives.

Edited April 29, 2011 by Smallc

[punked]

That's great. Except Layton hasn't said anything about doing that.

Except it is in the plat form and Layton made an announcement about it. It was in this election he talked about it. Again Shady proves he knows nothing.

http://www.globalmontreal.com/Layton+promises+billion+creation+small+business+cuts/4528122/story.html