Obama is Neutral to His Country, Ashamed of Western Heritage

[jbg]

Almost two (2) years ago, about three (3) months after his inauguration, I expressed serious doubts that President Obama loves his country (link to earlier thread). Unfortunately, events have borne me out. He does not seem to believe that his country is much greater than the tinpot despotisms that infest the world. In fact, he seems to be doing everything in his power to hobble his own country.

No don't get me wrong; I won't get sidetracked on "birther" arguments. I fully accept that he was born here and is constitutionally qualified to sit as President. What I have, over the last few years, had my doubts about is whether he is primarily an advocate for the United States, as his oath of office implicitly requires, or if his sees himself as a "world leader". Unfortunately, I think the latter.

I think the U.S.'s greatness is measured by the level of opportunity it affords to those that have little but brains. I think it is a great country based upon the fact that whenever there's a natural disaster anywhere, the U.S. is there.

In a recent article, Doug Patton writes (link to article, excerpts below):

Such a moment of startling honesty came recently when Obama delivered what the mainstream media laughingly described as a "response" to Rep. Paul Ryan's common sense budget. What the speech really amounted to, of course, was simply a tired partisan kick-off of his 2012 re-election campaign. In it, Obama again stated his contempt for the nation that has given him so much. Consider this excerpt:

"Part of this American belief that we're all connected also expresses itself in a conviction that each one of us deserves some basic measure of security and dignity. We recognize that no matter how responsibly we live our lives, hard times or bad luck, a crippling illness or a layoff may strike any one of us. 'There but for the grace of God go I,' we say to ourselves. And so we contribute to programs like Medicare and Social Security, which guarantee us health care and a measure of basic income after a lifetime of hard work; unemployment insurance, which protects us against unexpected job loss; and Medicaid, which provides care for millions of seniors in nursing homes, poor children, those with disabilities. We're a better country because of these commitments. I'll go further. We would not be a great country without those commitments."

Really, Mr. Obama? When Thomas Jefferson penned the Declaration of Independence and risked his life signing it along with the other Founders, were we not a great country? When George Washington led his troops in the freezing cold at Valley Forge, were we not a great country? When James Madison became the father of the U.S. Constitution, were we not a great country? When Abraham Lincoln agonized over the salvation of the Union and the abolition of slavery, were we not a great country?

For the first 189 years of our nation's existence we were not a great country? Is that what you are saying Mr. Obama? Until Franklin Roosevelt pushed through the Ponzi scheme known as Social Security in 1935 and Lyndon Johnson compounded the shell game with Medicare in 1965, we were — what? A mediocre country? An average country? Or perhaps, as your wife expressed during the campaign, we were "a downright mean country." Is that what you really believe about the United States of America? Obviously, it is.

There is in short nothing about the greatness of our country that is keyed into redistribution programs. Our country is a great country because of the opportunities afforded to those who arrive legally. Those opportunities are diminished, not enhanced, by taking from those that produce and giving to those that don't produce.

Now there are grounds for having a safety net based upon compassion. In no way, though, is our country's greatness to be measured by the safety net.

Edited April 26, 2011 by jbg

[Pliny]

So true. Our government constantly reminds us that its social programs are what defines Canadians. It's because we have a department of Multiculturalism, a department of Health, a department of education, a department of social services that we are great. Our only responsibilities to society are we pay our taxes and vote, ensuring resources are kept flowing to those departments and whatever other special interests we might be able to vote ourselves funding based upon the governments determination of what is compassionate and fair and for the common good. Like a paved road to their cottage which alleviates much suffering on their yearly sojourn.

Basically, I think you are right. Obama never grew up in America and never understood the American dream was earned and not granted by government. Somehow he believes all good things are made possible by government and not by the citizens of the country, whose sole duty to society is to allow and ensure government can do it's work.

But as you are a self described socialist I find it odd you are writing this in the first place.

Edited April 26, 2011 by Pliny

[GostHacked]

It's funny, when I said Obama was going to be worse than Bush (but in different ways) people said I was crazy. Promises were broken and now the USA is in the worst shape ever. Obama with the help of others will end up bankrupting the country. The US dollar is collapsing, gold and silver are going up up up.

The Lies.

Gitmo still open - he promised to close it.

Health care - he promised to make it better.

Cleaning up Government - more crooks than ever.

Transparency in government - more tight lipped than ever.

Better security to keep americans safe - TSA at the airports (x-ray machines and invasive pat downs) VIPR, the TSA for rail and bus lines - get a pat down AFTER you depart the train.

Protecting the border - More recent concentration on the US/Canada border than the US/Mexico border (because some politicians think some of the 9/11 hijackers came through Canada)

That's just a small portion of it all.

[Pliny]

It's funny, when I said Obama was going to be worse than Bush (but in different ways) people said I was crazy. Promises were broken and now the USA is in the worst shape ever. Obama with the help of others will end up bankrupting the country. The US dollar is collapsing, gold and silver are going up up up.

The Lies.

Gitmo still open - he promised to close it.

Health care - he promised to make it better.

Cleaning up Government - more crooks than ever.

Transparency in government - more tight lipped than ever.

Better security to keep americans safe - TSA at the airports (x-ray machines and invasive pat downs) VIPR, the TSA for rail and bus lines - get a pat down AFTER you depart the train.

Protecting the border - More recent concentration on the US/Canada border than the US/Mexico border (because some politicians think some of the 9/11 hijackers came through Canada)

That's just a small portion of it all.

It's the ever-winding road to serfdom. Little hope. And not much change - at least in the direction of government. But he is working hard to "fundamentally transform" American society into a nanny state.

[jbg]

But as you are a self described socialist I find it odd you are writing this in the first place.

Socialism is a nice, but unworkable, dream.

[GostHacked]

Socialism is a nice, but unworkable, dream.

Government by nature is socialism and to another extent, welfare for many.

Socialism can work, but it's all in how it's done. Governments, in my view can no longer be trusted to do the right thing with the taxes collected. The bank bail outs is a perfect example of that.

[Sir Bandelot]

Our government constantly reminds us that its social programs are what defines Canadians. It's because we have a department of Multiculturalism, a department of Health, a department of education, a department of social services that we are great.

It works for me. Although I have never used those services, I do my part in paying my taxes. And from what I can tell, life in Canada is pretty darn good.

This weekend we enjoyed a fine meal, several actually, with friends and family coming to the house. Everyone was enjoying the prosperity and security that this country's economic system affords.

Not saying, there are no problems or corruption. We as Canadians must always be vigilant to preserve the beneficial aspects of the system we now enjoy, while at the same time making changes (wisely) to reduce waste and be cost-effective. That is an on-going struggle. There will never be a system that remains 'status quo' for any length of time, without need for reform.

So, in closing let me say, "thank you Canada... what a great country." Although some of us may whine a lot about how things are all bad, while dipping their biscuits in turkey gravy, I ask them, show me something better than this.

Oh and to the OP, your title is what's sad. Not that I like Obama but to say he "Hates America;" seems to me just political rhetoric. Maybe he doesn't agree with your vision of America, but that is not the only vision for the future. Times have changed, people needs change. The glorious leader must find a way to satisfy the needs of everyone, for the greater good. The majority of us are already wealthier than most of the people in the rest of the world! Yet there is no need to be absurdly rich, while ignoring the plight of poor . So lets see if we in the west can make our system better, not to spoon feed but to give a fair chance for all. And some sort of a safety-net to help those who are fallen. That would be a great country.

[Michael Hardner]

This is really funny.

Do you really think Obama wanted to say that America wasn't great in 1776 because they didn't have Medicare ?

This amount of time spent on over analysis and over discussion could be spent on finding programs to cut, you know...

[Michael Hardner]

To add: with this giant dose of hyperbole, jbg, you effectively give up the right to criticize others of engaging in hyperbole. Did you realize that ?

[Guest American Woman]

It's funny, when I said Obama was going to be worse than Bush (but in different ways) people said I was crazy. Promises were broken and now the USA is in the worst shape ever. Obama with the help of others will end up bankrupting the country. The US dollar is collapsing, gold and silver are going up up up.

The Lies.

Gitmo still open - he promised to close it.

Health care - he promised to make it better.

Cleaning up Government - more crooks than ever.

Transparency in government - more tight lipped than ever.

Better security to keep americans safe - TSA at the airports (x-ray machines and invasive pat downs) VIPR, the TSA for rail and bus lines - get a pat down AFTER you depart the train.

Protecting the border - More recent concentration on the US/Canada border than the US/Mexico border (because some politicians think some of the 9/11 hijackers came through Canada)

That's just a small portion of it all.

How do you know they are lies? Looks to me as if they are promises not kept, which is different from a lie. A lie is saying something and knowing it's not true. We don't know if he made the promises he did with no intention of keeping them. To begin with, no single politician alone can keep their promises; no one person has that much power. Secondly, he wasn't speaking from the position of POTUS when he was running, and things may have looked differently to him once he had more facts available/was more aware of the situation/felt the actual responsibility of the job on his shoulders. As for "more crooks than ever, more tight lipped than ever, etc" I hardly think so. As for a pat down, etc, before getting on a plane, as one who flies, I have no problem with tight security. They are doing it for me. I always thank the workers after going through security; I don't whine about a pat-down, that is hardly "invasive." Furthermore, there have been would be terrorists caught coming in from Canada.

Edited April 26, 2011 by American Woman

[Alan]

Hoping for a miracle to unseat President Obama in 2012. Surely by now, all that "Hope" & "Change" hot air marathon pep rally has fizzled out even within his own base. Surely even his base knows now that it's not what he says, it's what he does that counts.

[GostHacked]

How do you know they are lies? Looks to me as if they are promises not kept, which is different from a lie. A lie is saying something and knowing it's not true. We don't know if he made the promises he did with no intention of keeping them. To begin with, no single politician alone can keep their promises; no one person has that much power. Secondly, he wasn't speaking from the position of POTUS when he was running, and things may have looked differently to him once he had more facts available/was more aware of the situation/felt the actual responsibility of the job on his shoulders.

True no one should have that much power.

Policy does not change with a new government. So they might all not be lies, but they are unatainable goals because policy always overrides whatever Obama had promised. He had no idea what he was getting into when he was elected. Only when you become POTUS are you privy to certain information. Who holds that informaiton? And who determines what the important information is and what policy is?

As for "more crooks than ever, more tight lipped than ever, etc" I hardly think so.

Obama gets an award for open government at a private closed meeting. Does that sound right to you?

Check out Obama's new energy 'czar'. Former BP. From government to corporate lobbyists back to government.

As for a pat down, etc, before getting on a plane, as one who flies, I have no problem with tight security. They are doing it for me. I always thank the workers after going through security; I don't whine about a pat-down, that is hardly "invasive." Furthermore, there have been would be terrorists caught coming in from Canada.

Have you checked some of those vids on youtube? Any reason why a 6 year old needs a complete pat down? And really, worried about a terrorist on the northern border all while hundred of illegals cross the southern border daily? Does that sound right to you?

[bush_cheney2004]

....To begin with, no single politician alone can keep their promises; no one person has that much power. Secondly, he wasn't speaking from the position of POTUS when he was running, and things may have looked differently to him once he had more facts available/was more aware of the situation/felt the actual responsibility of the job on his shoulders.

Precisely...candidate Obama's perspective is far different than President Obama's. And he sure as hell wasn't making any promises to Canadians anyway!

[bud]

'obama hates america'

shady called, he wants his job back.

[jbg]

To add: with this giant dose of hyperbole, jbg, you effectively give up the right to criticize others of engaging in hyperbole. Did you realize that ?

Not according to either the First Amendment or the Charter I haven't lost that right.

[BubberMiley]

Stoopidest thread ever!

But at least the closet republican can't exactly pretend to be a left-winger anymore.

And those who fell for it must feel even stoopider.

[jbg]

Hoping for a miracle to unseat President Obama in 2012. Surely by now, all that "Hope" & "Change" hot air marathon pep rally has fizzled out even within his own base. Surely even his base knows now that it's not what he says, it's what he does that counts.

Really, he's the Wizard of Oz.

[Michael Hardner]

Not according to either the First Amendment or the Charter I haven't lost that right.

No, I guess that's too strong a way to put it. Everyone has the right to lie or be a hypocrite, I guess.

[jbg]

No, I guess that's too strong a way to put it. Everyone has the right to lie or be a hypocrite, I guess.

I never personally attacked you. Are you calling me a liar?

[Michael Hardner]

I never personally attacked you. Are you calling me a liar?

Certainly not. You are, though, a most excellent hyperbolist. You are hyper-hyperbolic, I think.

(See the title of this thread.)

You accused someone else of hyperbolism for a much lesser (IMO) degree of hyperbole, as well. I sense that you're indignant about this, so maybe you'll retract your accusation that the President hates his own country, but I doubt that.

[jbg]

Certainly not. You are, though, a most excellent hyperbolist. You are hyper-hyperbolic, I think.

(See the title of this thread.)

You accused someone else of hyperbolism for a much lesser (IMO) degree of hyperbole, as well. I sense that you're indignant about this, so maybe you'll retract your accusation that the President hates his own country, but I doubt that.

I'm re-titling the thread "Obama is Neutral to His Country, Ashamed of Western Heritage". That better reflects my views.

[Guest American Woman]

'obama hates america'

shady called, he wants his job back.

:lol:

[Guest American Woman]

True no one should have that much power.

Policy does not change with a new government. So they might all not be lies, but they are unatainable goals because policy always overrides whatever Obama had promised. He had no idea what he was getting into when he was elected. Only when you become POTUS are you privy to certain information. Who holds that informaiton? And who determines what the important information is and what policy is?

I totally agree with you. We don't know who holds that information, et al, but I'm guessing it's a combination of people, who concentrate on specific areas; who have specific knowledge.

Obama gets an award for open government at a private closed meeting. Does that sound right to you?

Check out Obama's new energy 'czar'. Former BP. From government to corporate lobbyists back to government.

It's the same old same old. Obama isn't worse than any other. Just because he didn't come through as better doesn't make him worse.

Have you checked some of those vids on youtube? Any reason why a 6 year old needs a complete pat down? And really, worried about a terrorist on the northern border all while hundred of illegals cross the southern border daily? Does that sound right to you?

Sure, there's a reason. There are people out there who would absolutely use a six year old to serve their purposes. Do you really believe otherwise? And being vigilant about the very real possibility of a terrorist on any border is what sounds right to me.

[Guest American Woman]

Precisely...candidate Obama's perspective is far different than President Obama's. And he sure as hell wasn't making any promises to Canadians anyway!

This is true. No one knows what the POTUS knows, and no one knows what the responsibility of being the POTUS feel like except the person actually in that position.

[Michael Hardner]

I'm re-titling the thread "Obama is Neutral to His Country, Ashamed of Western Heritage". That better reflects my views.

Wow... Ok, well... I don't know what to say...