Smallc Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Yes it does... And I think CURRENT Liberal policies when taken in total show just that... So do the current Conservative policies.....except even more so. The Conservatives are what the Liberals used to be. Quote
Jack Weber Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Well, if we assume that all those left-leaning promises are ignored like the Red Book was. I agree... But no less fantastic and unattainable as these far out promises that Mr. Harper is making after the deficit is gone... In four or five years...Assuming one believes Slasher Jimmy Flaherty's deficit projections.... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
punked Posted April 6, 2011 Author Report Posted April 6, 2011 Yes it does... And I think CURRENT Liberal policies when taken in total show just that... Yah the Liberal policies are far out of left field now if you said the current Liberal leadership I might agree. It is ok though because we know the Liberals are lying about those policies and never plan to kept one promise so maybe you are right. Quote
GWiz Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 So do the current Conservative policies.....except even more so. The Conservatives are what the Liberals used to be. Which "conservatives" would that be? Largest deficit by ANY PM prior to Harper's $56 BILLION was MORONey's $43 BILLION in '92 which effectively ended the existance of Progressive Conservatism... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
punked Posted April 6, 2011 Author Report Posted April 6, 2011 Which "conservatives" would that be? Largest deficit by ANY PM prior to Harper's $56 BILLION was MORONey's $43 BILLION in '92 which effectively ended the existance of Progressive Conservatism... Thanks can you adjust that for inflation or do the Ontario Liberals(Very close to the national Liberal party) get the title for Largest Deficit at the provincial level? What? The LIBERALS in Ontario run up a huge Deficit the same time the CONSERVATIVES did nationally? But the Liberals always balance budgets. No wait no true. Quote
Smallc Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Largest deficit by ANY PM prior to Harper's $56 BILLION was MORONey's $43 BILLION in '92 which effectively ended the existance of Progressive Conservatism... It isn't the largest when adjusted for inflation or the size of the economy, but don't let actual facts stand in your way. Go ahead and spout off meaningless numbers. Quote
Jack Weber Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Thanks can you adjust that for inflation or do the Ontario Liberals(Very close to the national Liberal party) get the title for Largest Deficit at the provincial level? What? The LIBERALS in Ontario run up a huge Deficit the same time the CONSERVATIVES did nationally? But the Liberals always balance budgets. No wait no true. So.... I assume you're going to vote for Mr.Hudak in the fall??? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Smallc Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 So.... I assume you're going to vote for Mr.Hudak in the fall??? The problem in Toronto is the same as the problem in Ottawa. There's no real alternative. Quote
punked Posted April 6, 2011 Author Report Posted April 6, 2011 So.... I assume you're going to vote for Mr.Hudak in the fall??? Andrea Horwath I was pointing out how stupid it is to argue that the Conservatives suck because they are running huge deficits when the party you are arguing for is running even bigger deficits in a province which is 40% of the country. Basically you are pointing out the other guys flaws at the sametime ignoring your own. The Ontario Liberal Party might as well be the national Liberal party that is where almost all their seats are. Quote
GWiz Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Thanks can you adjust that for inflation or do the Ontario Liberals(Very close to the national Liberal party) get the title for Largest Deficit at the provincial level? What? The LIBERALS in Ontario run up a huge Deficit the same time the CONSERVATIVES did nationally? But the Liberals always balance budgets. No wait no true. Is that like the Manitoba NDP Government using Manitoba Hydro profits to "balance the books", year after year, resulting in a constant "uptick" in Manitoba Hydro charges for all Manitobans? Nice move BTW, IMPORTED (from the US and Alberta) Natural Gas prices go down while Manitoba produced Hydro Electic goes UP and UP... It does kinda show what a "Federal NDP" would do to Canada, doesn't it? Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Smallc Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Is that like the Manitoba NDP Government using Manitoba Hydro profits to "balance the books", year after year, resulting in a constant "uptick" in Manitoba Hydro charges for all Manitobans? Well, you know, since the money belongs to Manitobans, you don't really have a case. Quote
GWiz Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Well, you know, since the money belongs to Manitobans, you don't really have a case. Sure as hell do, especially since I'm one of the ones that doesn't use natural gas and rely (for now)on "cheap" Manitoba Hydro electric which is digging deeper and deeper into my pocket... Are you saying that the Manitoba Conservatives are planning to sell off Manitoba Hydro the way they "sold" off" MTS? I may have to change the way I vote in the next Prov. Election to NDP if that's the case... Interesting that you'd defend the NDP in that regard... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
fellowtraveller Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Both the Manitoba hydro money and the $2 billion per year, every year, they get in equalization money gravy from a mysterious donor are the sole and exclusive birthrights of Manitobans. Don't ever forget that. Quote The government should do something.
Smallc Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Sure as hell do, especially since I'm one of the ones that doesn't use natural gas and rely (for now)on "cheap" Manitoba Hydro electric which is digging deeper and deeper into my pocket... Manitoba hydro still has the cheapest rates in northern North America. The money they make, as a Crown Corporations, belongs to all Manitobans. Are you saying that the Manitoba Conservatives are planning to sell off Manitoba Hydro the way they "sold" off" MTS? I may have to change the way I vote in the next Prov. Election to NDP if that's the case... WTF are you talking about? Quote
Smallc Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Both the Manitoba hydro money and the $2 billion per year, every year, they get in equalization money gravy from a mysterious donor are the sole and exclusive birthrights of Manitobans. Don't ever forget that. Quote
Jack Weber Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 The problem in Toronto is the same as the problem in Ottawa. There's no real alternative. You got that right... Door #1...Dalton McStupid Door #2..."Wine Tasting" Tim Door #3...The hapless NDP Talk about trying to pick through total garbage... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Smallc Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Interesting that you'd defend the NDP in that regard... Manitoba's NDP are as centrist as you can get, and this province is a much better place than when they took over. It's a shame that they'll probably lose the next provincial election. Quote
punked Posted April 6, 2011 Author Report Posted April 6, 2011 (edited) Is that like the Manitoba NDP Government using Manitoba Hydro profits to "balance the books", year after year, resulting in a constant "uptick" in Manitoba Hydro charges for all Manitobans? Nice move BTW, IMPORTED (from the US and Alberta) Natural Gas prices go down while Manitoba produced Hydro Electic goes UP and UP... It does kinda show what a "Federal NDP" would do to Canada, doesn't it? No it is much different because they are balancing the books. While in Ontario the Liberal Government was running deficits of 15-20 Billion dollars and getting their credit slashed. See the different now? One is Using revenue to pay the bills (the NDP) the other is using credit. BTW The LIBERALS in Ontario use Hydro revenue to but their Hydro costs ALOT more. Welcome to Liberal Land buddy. Edited April 6, 2011 by punked Quote
Smallc Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 You got that right... Door #1...Dalton McStupid Door #2..."Wine Tasting" Tim Door #3...The hapless NDP Talk about trying to pick through total garbage... No kidding. At least we have a choice in Manitoba this fall. Too bad we're probably not going to make the right choice. Quote
GWiz Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Both the Manitoba hydro money and the $2 billion per year, every year, they get in equalization money gravy from a mysterious donor are the sole and exclusive birthrights of Manitobans. Don't ever forget that. Right, I forgot, if it wasn't for the "extended" self serving NDP Govs. we've had in Manitoba we would probably be a "have" province like Saskabush by now... High TIME for a LIBERAL GOVERNMENT in Manitoba, eh... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Jack Weber Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Andrea Horwath I was pointing out how stupid it is to argue that the Conservatives suck because they are running huge deficits when the party you are arguing for is running even bigger deficits in a province which is 40% of the country. Basically you are pointing out the other guys flaws at the sametime ignoring your own. The Ontario Liberal Party might as well be the national Liberal party that is where almost all their seats are. From an Ontario NDP'ers perspective,of course... You folks don't exactly carry alot of credibility on this issue,ya'know? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Smallc Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Right, I forgot, if it wasn't for the "extended" self serving NDP Govs. we've had in Manitoba we would probably be a "have" province like Saskabush by now... We may very well be some day. We simply haven't found enough oil. There is only one thing that separates have provinces from have not - oil and or natural gas (The have provinces are BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Newfoundland and Labrador. The have not provinces are Manitoba, Ontario, Quebec, New Brunswick, PEI, and Nova Scotia. Notice anything?). Quote
Smallc Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 High TIME for a LIBERAL GOVERNMENT in Manitoba, eh... Too bad their to the left of the NDP...i certainly wouldn't vote for them. Quote
Jack Weber Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Manitoba's NDP are as centrist as you can get, and this province is a much better place than when they took over. It's a shame that they'll probably lose the next provincial election. Other than the Bob Rae disaster and the BC stuff... Most provincial NDP governments are generally reasonable... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
punked Posted April 6, 2011 Author Report Posted April 6, 2011 From an Ontario NDP'ers perspective,of course... You folks don't exactly carry alot of credibility on this issue,ya'know? Why because some Liberal ran huge deficits when he was an NDP leader? Seems the Liberals loved the guy they almost made him the leader and is Iggy's right hand man. Again I am not saying deficits are bad or that the Liberals are doing a bad I am saying GWiz doesn't know what even happens in the country we live in. I get it, it is tough times there is a recession and in Ontario the manufacturing base of Canada they hit even harder. I don't blame the Liberals or Conservatives for that, it seems Gwiz only blames the Conservatives. Quote
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