PrimeNumber Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 You're projecting far too far into the future again. We won't know much until October. We'll know before then.The economists will be raving about it. It will be all over the internet and news. By the time the real data comes in, which I'm fairly certain won't show what the conservatives want it to, it will be far to late for Harper and old Oliver. The secret will be out about their lackluster economic record, as if it wasn't already for anyone who actually knows whats going. I keep saying it. The conservatives are loosing themselves this election. Basically handing it away. They got to comfortable and far to cocky. Quote “Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find your way around or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.”― Bruce Lee
Smallc Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 We won't know the outcome of the election or even be able to predict properly until thr campaign actually begins. Some of you are getting far too excited by polls that have changed seemingly without reason. Quote
PrimeNumber Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 There is plenty of reasons for these changes. Quote “Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find your way around or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.”― Bruce Lee
Smallc Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 (edited) There is plenty of reasons for these changes. Not in a sustained way at this point. Edited July 7, 2015 by Smallc Quote
PrimeNumber Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 Not in a sustained way that this point? If the cons keep it up. It will be sustained. Enough for them to be ousted, Quote “Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find your way around or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.”― Bruce Lee
blueblood Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 If the cons keep it up. It will be sustained. Enough for them to be ousted,Ive heard that fairy tale when ignatieff and layton were campaigning against harper before the election. Everyone said to worry about the debates and how harper would do with an ivy league professor. not the first time the tories have been behind in the polls... Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
cybercoma Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 If the cons keep it up. It will be sustained. Enough for them to be ousted, It's not even close to that yet. Even at these current numbers, the CPC still wins a minority. The NDP needs to be polling between 38-40 to win, imho. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 We won't know the outcome of the election or even be able to predict properly until thr campaign actually begins. Some of you are getting far too excited by polls that have changed seemingly without reason. Perhaps you think the change has been without reason, but that is just wishful thinking. People are tiring of the endless, mindless talking points. They dont like seemingly endless attacks on the Charter which have to be set straight by the SCC. Then there are of course the scandal chickens coming home to roost. Stay tuned Aug 11 when Nigel Wright will take the stand. Quote
Smallc Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 It's not even close to that yet. Even at these current numbers, the CPC still wins a minority. The NDP needs to be polling between 38-40 to win, imho. One of the rare moments now, but I agree with you. I couldn't tell you who's going to win at this point. I wouldn't even dare to guess. Quote
blueblood Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 One of the rare moments now, but I agree with you. I couldn't tell you who's going to win at this point. I wouldn't even dare to guess. That will depend on the campaign. If canada is in a technical recession when the writ is dropped it will be an x minority government Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
cybercoma Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 (edited) One of the rare moments now, but I agree with you. I couldn't tell you who's going to win at this point. I wouldn't even dare to guess. Well, yeah. I keep saying that too. The only thing that's certain right now is that the polls will change. One thing that people don't seem to recognize about Canadian politics is that campaigns actually matter. The parties almost always change positions during the campaigns, sometimes several times. Edited July 7, 2015 by cybercoma Quote
waldo Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 (A Lynton Crosby like) Strategy, likewise why the Tories have yet to unveil the platform for the next four years..... It hasn't been released yet, by design........ "by design"! Say what? Aren't you the guy who has been incessantly nattering on about the missing Opposition platforms, particularly from the Liberals? Some, certainly not the waldo, would suggest your position in this regard is quite hypocritical! . Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 "by design"! Say what? Aren't you the guy who has been incessantly nattering on about the missing Opposition platforms, particularly from the Liberals? Some, certainly not the waldo, would suggest your position in this regard is quite hypocritical! . It is hypocritical, without a doubt.........I fully expected the LPC to keep their's close to their chest (like the CPC) until after the writ is dropped and Canadians are paying attention.......If you're going to play the game boy, you gotta learn to play it right Quote
poochy Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 Ive heard that fairy tale when ignatieff and layton were campaigning against harper before the election. Everyone said to worry about the debates and how harper would do with an ivy league professor. not the first time the tories have been behind in the polls... Nothing changes, they will keep saying the same things, even if the cons win again, they will make the same proclamations next time around, eventually though, another party will win, of course they will then claim a great victory over the evil empire, yawn. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 (edited) Trudeau for one said he would actually increase the number of CDN troops and put them into training positions to help the Peshmerga et al do the fighting. JT just said he would withdraw the F 18s, which is a good idea. So you agree he would withdraw the CF 18s and all the support staff. Thank you....glad that's out of the way. By the way, we're already training over there and there is no guarantee that there is a need - or capacity to do more - so even that is just empty rhetoric at this time. Your semantics don't disguise the fact that Trudeau does not want to do any of the heavy lifting in conjunction with our allies. You're entitled to think that it's a good idea to bring the fighting portion of our troops home - others also think that way - but it's a clear delineation between the Conservatives and the Liberals/NDP. As has been mentioned before - if Trudeau will not commit our military to help allies fight ISIS, when would he ever commit them? He's following in his father's passive footsteps and is showing his distaste - if not contempt - for the military. As for you calling all this stuff lies - well, let's just chalk it up to your frustration at seeing Trudeau continuing to crash and burn - with his Liberals not far behind. Edited July 7, 2015 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
PrimeNumber Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 Ive heard that fairy tale when ignatieff and layton were campaigning against harper before the election. Everyone said to worry about the debates and how harper would do with an ivy league professor. not the first time the tories have been behind in the polls... Harper has done far to much damage to his own campaign. He's waking a sleeping dragon at the polls. I have a feeling we will have record voter turnout this election. Quote “Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find your way around or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.”― Bruce Lee
PrimeNumber Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 It's not even close to that yet. Even at these current numbers, the CPC still wins a minority. The NDP needs to be polling between 38-40 to win, imho. It's hard to guage polls, they often do not take into account the youth vote. If there is one voter demographic that is pollarized against Harper, it is the youth. They will turn out in record numbers this fall. Mark my words. Quote “Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find your way around or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.”― Bruce Lee
cybercoma Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 It's hard to guage polls, they often do not take into account the youth vote. If there is one voter demographic that is pollarized against Harper, it is the youth. They will turn out in record numbers this fall. Mark my words. If there's one demographic that's screwed in the next election it's youth, especially considering the new disenfranchisement voter ID laws. Quote
Bryan Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 It's hard to guage polls, they often do not take into account the youth vote. If there is one voter demographic that is pollarized against Harper, it is the youth. They will turn out in record numbers this fall. Mark my words. I've been hearing that for 30 years. Every election is the one where the youth will be motivated to participate. Quote
waldo Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 It is hypocritical, without a doubt......... oh my! Good on ya for admitting your own hypocrisy! If only one knew to use your like "by design" excuse for a delayed platform, we could have long dispensed with your false-narrative. . Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 So you agree he would withdraw the CF 18s and all the support staff. Thank you....glad that's out of the way. By the way, we're already training over there and there is no guarantee that there is a need - or capacity to do more - so even that is just empty rhetoric at this time. Your semantics don't disguise the fact that Trudeau does not want to do any of the heavy lifting in conjunction with our allies. You're entitled to think that it's a good idea to bring the fighting portion of our troops home - others also think that way - but it's a clear delineation between the Conservatives and the Liberals/NDP. As has been mentioned before - if Trudeau will not commit our military to help allies fight ISIS, when would he ever commit them? He's following in his father's passive footsteps and is showing his distaste - if not contempt - for the military. As for you calling all this stuff lies - well, let's just chalk it up to your frustration at seeing Trudeau continuing to crash and burn - with his Liberals not far behind. I didnt realize you were confused over Trudeaus position on the F 18s. Glad to be of help to you on that. Quote
Smallc Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 If there's one demographic that's screwed in the next election it's youth, especially considering the new disenfranchisement voter ID laws. Because getting provincial Id is so difficult. Quote
cybercoma Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 (edited) Because getting provincial Id is so difficult. When they're away at school in October, in the middle of midterms, then finally realize near election day or on election day what ID they will need, yeah...it's difficult. Especially when a lot of students don't have driver's licenses. And besides, it doesn't matter how difficult it is. It is a barrier and an unnecessary one, since it solves a problem that not a single Conservative has proven that we have. Edited July 7, 2015 by cybercoma Quote
Smallc Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 When they're away at school in October, in the middle of midterms, then finally realize near election day or on election day what ID they will need, yeah...it's difficult. Especially when a lot of students don't have driver's licenses. And besides, it doesn't matter how difficult it is. It is a barrier and an unnecessary one, since it solves a problem that not a single Conservative has proven that we have. I don't know how you can even survive without a major form of photo ID anyway. It's not an onerous requirement. Quote
cybercoma Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 I don't know how you can even survive without a major form of photo ID anyway. It's not an onerous requirement. It's not that simple when a student is away at school. Quote
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