Saipan Posted March 20, 2011 Report Posted March 20, 2011 Dual (or more) citizenship is generally advantageous, whether birthright or earned, and it's not offensive in any manner. With allegiance to WHAT country?? We have too many "canadians" some not even living here. Just come here to renew passport. Quote
jbg Posted March 20, 2011 Report Posted March 20, 2011 if he loses the next election. That is what he said he would do. I find it amazing the leader of a national political party can call another country his "home". I guess he's a true political tourist. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Posted March 20, 2011 Isn't George W. Bush welcome to go home to his ranch in Ontario? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wild Bill Posted March 20, 2011 Report Posted March 20, 2011 Bill, this whole tangent is a digression, but really, LOOK! Just LOOK. : http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cansk/maps/ethnic-bloc.html It doesn't matter how many Hutterites there were... but the straight up fact is that western Canada is simply not a British construct. So? I'll agree! Still, it is most definitely a EUROPEAN construct! It is NOT a Bangladeshi construct or a Chinese construct! The cultures involved were far similar to that of Britain. More importantly, they were under British rule. The immigrants knew that when they came here and most had no problem with that. Those few that didn't knew enough to keep quiet about it. Virtually all of them became Canadian! With no hyphens! How many Canadian names with -ski on the end were proud to accept medals from the British king during WWI and WWII? Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
jbg Posted March 20, 2011 Report Posted March 20, 2011 Isn't George W. Bush welcome to go home to his ranch in Ontario? Near Moosonee, eh? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Topaz Posted March 20, 2011 Report Posted March 20, 2011 Just a note to ssy Michael was on Sundays CTV QP and said he knows what the Tories are saying about him and his familiy and he says he doesn't care, that it shows more about the character of the Tories as a party. Quote
g_bambino Posted March 20, 2011 Report Posted March 20, 2011 (edited) As I already pointed out, the first quote is in regards to a country while the second quote from the oath is in regards to the state/power which is something different. Right. "Country" and "state" aren't the same. Got ya. I guess the US authorities regard allegiance to another "country" as that only to the land - the dirt and rocks - within those foreign borders; just not the power that governs it. [punct] Edited March 20, 2011 by g_bambino Quote
scouterjim Posted March 20, 2011 Author Report Posted March 20, 2011 Just a note to ssy Michael was on Sundays CTV QP and said he knows what the Tories are saying about him and his familiy and he says he doesn't care, that it shows more about the character of the Tories as a party. That's okay. Nobody cares what Iggy has to say either. Quote I have captured the rare duct taped platypus.
bloodyminded Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 (I do have an issue with the political views he advocated while in the US but not with the fact that he worked in the US.) Yeah...Empire "lite" and torture. What a douche. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Guest American Woman Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 Right. "Country" and "state" aren't the same. Got ya. I guess the US authorities regard allegiance to another "country" as that only to the land - the dirt and rocks - within those foreign borders; just not the power that governs it. [punct] Noooooo. The US authorities recognize the difference between putting one's allegiance to a previous state over the U.S. as different from citizenship in another country. If the U.S. required naturalized citizens give up their citizenship to their former country, it would be clearly stated and there wouldn't be naturalized U.S. citizens with dual citizenship. There are many naturalized citizens with dual citizenship. Not all new citizens choose to give up their previous citizenship, and the key word there is "choose." That is all the proof one needs that relinquishing prior citizenship is not required to become a U.S. citizen. But keep thinking otherwise if you feel the need -- I realize that there are a lot of people who don't let facts get in the way of their thinking. Quote
g_bambino Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 The US authorities recognize the difference between putting one's allegiance to a previous state over the U.S. as different from citizenship in another country. That's not what you said. Perhaps you should stick to one theory. Regardless, the one constant is that you seem to keep missing the fact that citizenship and allegiance are inseparable. One cannot be a citizen of a country and not owe allegiance to that country's authority; the allegiance to the Queen of Canada and the promise to obey Canada's laws and customs required by a Canadian citizen do not cease the second that Canadian takes the US Citizenship Oath to become also a citizen of the United States. That can happen only if he renounces his Canadian citizenship. Hence, the US Citizenship Oath is at odds with US dual citizenship policy. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 That's not what you said. Perhaps you should stick to one theory. Regardless, the one constant is that you seem to keep missing the fact that citizenship and allegiance are inseparable. One cannot be a citizen of a country and not owe allegiance to that country's authority; the allegiance to the Queen of Canada and the promise to obey Canada's laws and customs required by a Canadian citizen do not cease the second that Canadian takes the US Citizenship Oath to become also a citizen of the United States. That can happen only if he renounces his Canadian citizenship. Hence, the US Citizenship Oath is at odds with US dual citizenship policy. It's exactly what I said. It's what I've been responding to all along; the claim that one must give up their citizenship to their former country in order to become a U.S. citizen. Quote
g_bambino Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 (edited) It's exactly what I said. It's what I've been responding to all along; the claim that one must give up their citizenship to their former country in order to become a U.S. citizen. Well, you actually last said that the US authorities saw allegiance to the authority of a state as different from allegiance to a country. But, anyway, who claimed the US didn't allow dual citizenship? [+] Edited March 21, 2011 by g_bambino Quote
GWiz Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 ...except when it does, for Canadians like PM Chretien, Belinda Stronach, and MP Williams! "MP Williams", eh? You wouldn't happen to be referring to the ex-premier of Newfoundland and Labrador now would you? Maybe you don't know half as much about Canada as you think you do... Since a goodly number of "American" Doctors and RNs are Canadians your "Health Care" in the states is excellent, without question... Since "Americans" don't mind paying 10x as much (at least) for their "Health Care" than Canadians do (through their taxes and universally available) it's hardly surprising that the US can attract the BEST Doctors and Nurses available anywhere in the world, now is it? So if one can afford it, the United States is the place to go if money is no object... If a Canadian can afford it the United States is the place to go, you're quaranteed to get the BEST heath care anywhere... In fact, much, much better health care than many, many millions of "Americans" will ever have access to... Oh btw, I speak from personal experience about this matter, just in case you wonder where I get my information... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Guest American Woman Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 (edited) Who made that claim? You'll have to go back and find it. I'm not going to search through the thread for you. And no, the oath isn't at odds with dual citizenship. Edited March 21, 2011 by American Woman Quote
g_bambino Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 You'll have to go back and find it. I'm not going to search through the thread for you. In other words, you made it up. And no, the oath isn't at odds with dual citizenship. It is. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 Since "Americans" don't mind paying 10x as much (at least) for their "Health Care" than Canadians do ..... The claim that Americans pay at least 10x as much for their health care is just plain false. Quote
GWiz Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 It's exactly what I said. It's what I've been responding to all along; the claim that one must give up their citizenship to their former country in order to become a U.S. citizen. Actually one does have to "give up" any other country's citizenship in order to become a US citizen... Living and working in the US with a Green Card is a totally different matter... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
g_bambino Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 Actually one does have to "give up" any other country's citizenship in order to become a US citizen... What do you mean by "'give up'"? Quote
Guest American Woman Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 In other words, you made it up. Wrong, so watch the false accusations, buddy. It is. Your opinion, pure and simple. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 Actually one does have to "give up" any other country's citizenship in order to become a US citizen... No, they don't. I can't understand why some of you keep arguing that point. The U.S. does allow dual citizenship. Quote
g_bambino Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 Wrong, so watch the false accusations, buddy. Prove it to be wrong. Your opinion, pure and simple. Demonstrable fact. Quote
wyly Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 if he loses the next election. That is what he said he would do. I find it amazing the leader of a national political party can call another country his "home". I have two homes, dual citizenship I feel equally at home in both countries...as well home and country are two seperate concepts, I could have a "home" in LA but the the USA would never be my country... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
GWiz Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 The claim that Americans pay at least 10x as much for their health care is just plain false. Nope... In fact it's slightly more 11 or 12 x as much in fact... ie - Kidney stone operation Orlando Florida 1998 - total costs (excluding medications) $12,342.00 (and excluding the cost, about $300.00, of the additional insurances I needed to have in place to even be operated on.) Kidney stone operation Winnipeg Manitoba 2000 - total cost (excluding medications) $1,023.00 (fully covered under Canada's Health Care system with no additional costs.) Both were identical operations for exactly the same problem... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
wyly Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 Dual Citizenship: The U.S. government allows dual citizenship. United States law recognizes U.S. Dual Citizenship, but the U.S. government does not encourage it is as a matter of policy due to the problems that may arise from it. It is important to understand that a foreign citizen does NOT lose his or her citizenship when becoming a U.S. citizen. An individual that becomes a U.S. citizen through naturalization may keep his or her original citizenship. However, as some countries do not recognize dual citizenship, it is important to consider it carefully before applying for U.S. citizenship. dual citizenship Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
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