bud Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 What a surprise, you link to Max Blumenthal - a verminous anti-Israel and anti-Zionist "journalist" who desperately tries to spin Israelis and Jews as bloodthirsty and filled with hate. where is the spin bob the settler? are they not celebrating the attack on gaza and are they not advocating killing civilians? Quote http://whoprofits.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 (edited) "i think they should clear off all the city. yes. i am a little bit fascist." are you guys a 'a little bit' fascist as well? I agree with her 100%. Their mere existence is a threat to us. And they never suffer nearly enough for their crimes against us. Nothing fascistic about that. We supply them with food, water, electricity, medical treatments, and other essentials... and what do we get in return? Terrorism. They are entirely responsible for their own situation (they elected Hamas, an openly anti-Semitic terrorist organization), the problem is, they haven't really been accountable (yet). Edited March 14, 2011 by Bob Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 where is the spin bob the settler? are they not celebrating the attack on gaza and are they not advocating killing civilians? No, they're rallying in support of Israel during the Flotilla controversy. You don't even grasp the content of the videos you post. Supporting Cast Lead and demonstrating in support of it is certainly not the same as supporting the killing of civilians, although of course people like you obfuscate this to advance anti-Semitism/anti-Zionism. Either way, it's irrelevant - the video you posted shows supporters of Israel towards another issue. Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 That same line of thinking would lead us to believe there should be no Israel because it was "full" of people opposed to our basic national rights. Its like you said though... This is "War" and the occupied territories are the war zone. Its a dangerous place to be which makes you wonder why Israel has facilitated the transfer of hundreds of thousands of people into these areas. And answer is pretty simple... for Israel its not just about "self defense" as you claim. They want to colonize/conquer some of that land, and they also want to plunder it for resources, and thats exactly what theyre doing. And when the occupying force in such a scenario starts transfering parts of their own population into a situation like that they just ARENT gonna be safe. If the tables were turned, and Arab armies were occupying part of Israeli proper and moving their own people into those areas to displace jews... those settlers wouldnt be any safer. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 (edited) Its like you said though... This is "War" and the occupied territories are the war zone. Its a dangerous place to be which makes you wonder why Israel has facilitated the transfer of hundreds of thousands of people into these areas. And answer is pretty simple... for Israel its not just about "self defense" as you claim. They want to colonize/conquer some of that land, and they also want to plunder it for resources, and thats exactly what theyre doing. And when the occupying force in such a scenario starts transfering parts of their own population into a situation like that they just ARENT gonna be safe. If the tables were turned, and Arab armies were occupying part of Israeli proper and moving their own people into those areas to displace jews... those settlers wouldnt be any safer. Although your entire post is false, I'll address only your last falsehood - about 20% of Israel's citizens are Arabs. They're quite safe where they live. So don't tell me that it's the same thing on both sides of this line, because it isn't. They don't need military protection to protect them from us. As far as Jews "displacing" Arabs across the Green Line, they move almost exclusively (99.9999% of the time) into unoccupied lands. No Arab has been displaced since 1948/1949. There is a world of difference between the safety of Arabs living among Jews and the safety of Jews living among Arabs. Of course, this reality doesn't fit into your false narrative which tries to dumb everything down. Edited March 14, 2011 by Bob Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Although your entire post is false, I'll address only your last falsehood - about 20% of Israel's citizens are Arabs. They're quite safe where they live. So don't tell me that it's the same thing on both sides of this line, because it isn't. They don't need military protection to protect them from us. As far as Jews "displacing" Arabs across the Green Line, they move almost exclusively (99.9999% of the time) into unoccupied lands. No Arab has been displaced since 1948/1949. There is a world of difference between the safety of Arabs living among Jews and the safety of Jews living among Arabs. Of course, this reality doesn't fit into your false narrative which tries to dumb everything down. My post wasnt false. Israel IS plundering the occupied territories for resources, and they ARE settling it. And while its true that Arab Israelis enjoy relative safety it would be completely different if Israel was occupied by an Arab state, and these Arabs were being moved in as part of a settlement strategy designed to permanently grab territory/resources. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 (edited) If anyone thinks that this is an isolated innocence then ask yourself why crowds of Palestinians celebrated the murder of these Israeli children, and if you believe it is not representative of the Palestinian attitude you are mistaken. It seems to be a point of pride on mass murdering Jews and Christians. I tend to think that left wing support of this attitude and behaviours is partly responsible for it, as they feel that they have support in what they do. Actually, since they are conservatives--as conservative as people get, really--perhaps conservatives might share a little of the blame. If we're going to insist upon ridiculous blame-flames for those with differing political positions. Because such a "left is guilty/right is guilty" game can go both ways, forever and into infinity. Edited March 14, 2011 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Sometimes I wonder if it's even worth addressing the vermin who try to deny the reality that these events and all others like them really represent. No one's forcing you to address such "vermin," Bob. Except maybe your self-indulgent arrogance. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 No one's forcing you to address such "vermin," Bob. Except maybe your self-indulgent arrogance. First step: de-humanize 'them' into "vermin." Where have I heard that concept before, hmmmm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 (edited) First step: de-humanize 'them' into "vermin." Where have I heard that concept before, hmmmm... To be fair, it's easy enough to become non-vermin. It only takes 100% agreement with him. Edited March 14, 2011 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 First step: de-humanize 'them' into "vermin." Where have I heard that concept before, hmmmm... There's something quite sinister about people who will misrepresent important truths - such as anyone who may claim that this is some sort of isolated incident and not part of a much broader trend that goes right to the root of this conflict. People who will make such claims, as far as I'm concerned, are verminous, as they are trivializing existential issues that face the Jewish people. Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 There's something quite sinister about people who will misrepresent important truths - such as anyone who may claim that this is some sort of isolated incident and not part of a much broader trend that goes right to the root of this conflict. People who will make such claims, as far as I'm concerned, are verminous, as they are trivializing existential issues that face the Jewish people. You are right, violence in the settlements in the occupied territories should be expected. I am not surprised that these kind of actions surprises you. If you want to live, go back to Israel proper. But living in the illegal settlements in the occupied territories comes with a huge risk. Stop crying about it. Mr. Joe Canada. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 You are right, violence in the settlements in the occupied territories should be expected. I am not surprised that these kind of actions surprises you. If you want to live, go back to Israel proper. But living in the illegal settlements in the occupied territories comes with a huge risk. Stop crying about it. Mr. Joe Canada. That's probably the most despicable post you've ever made. Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 That's probably the most despicable post you've ever made. Probably, but I stand by it. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 There's something quite sinister about people who will misrepresent important truths - such as anyone who may claim that this is some sort of isolated incident and not part of a much broader trend that goes right to the root of this conflict. People who will make such claims, as far as I'm concerned, are verminous, as they are trivializing existential issues that face the Jewish people. Let's say for the sake of argument that you're factually correct about every single matter you post about concerning Israel (making you unique among the Earth's population); is it so unthinkable to you that people can be naive, can think tey know of what they speak when they do not? This isn't verminous; it's naivete. And Israel isn't the only subject, is it? There are matters of great import, concerning human lives and human suffering, of which you have likley taken a wrongheaded, even offensive view, albeit accidentally. Do you even doubt this for a single second? Is there no room for genuinely well-intentioned ignorance in your philosophy? Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Actually, German propaganda would have been impossible were it not for thsoe who mastered propaganda as we now know it: the Americans and the British. Many people like to blame the Nazis, or alternately, the soviets. that's hilarious. the Americans have far more sophisticated propaganda techniques than those bozos ever did. That's why the West remains so expert at it. Read up on Bernays if you want to learn a little about the history of propaganda. Yeah, yeah...America is worse than Hitler, etc. More of your 'big lie'. Say it enough, people might believe you. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Yeah, yeah...America is worse than Hitler, etc. More of your 'big lie'. Say it enough, people might believe you. I didn't say anything of the kind. And if what I said was a "big lie," go ahead and explain exactly how. Consider it a challenge. The information on Western propaganda is freely and easily available. It's not fringe theory; it's mainstream information. Or are you waiting for Bush_Cheney2004 to tell you what to think? Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 I didn't say anything of the kind. And if what I said was a "big lie," go ahead and explain exactly how. Consider it a challenge. The information on Western propaganda is freely and easily available. It's not fringe theory; it's mainstream information. Or are you waiting for Bush_Cheney2004 to tell you what to think? Is America a terrorist state? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 (edited) Is America a terrorist state? Short answer (based on your own criteria): yes, of course. Longer, better answer (based on the fact that I don't think of countries generally as "terrorist states"): no, not really, or not unusually so; rather, it's a country with excellent domestic institutions; but in terms of foreign policy, a confusion (as with any state) of realpolitik, long-term resource ambition, and a nod to public concerns about behaviour coupled with and often contradicted by a willingness to engage in terrifically unjustifed violence means that it will at times be supportive of terrorist activity, and other awful matters. Such things are built into it on an institutional level, though not cast in stone. The US is not uniquely awful; if Canada were in its position, we'd behave the same way, as we know from our behaviour as it is. That's my view. If you prefer an adolescent, doctrinal orthodoxy of saintly heroes flitting about trying to do good in a fallen and ungrateful world--the view of many mainstream conservative and liberal pundits, admirably performing their role as Commissars--fill your boots. Now, what of that Western propaganda? Read up on Edward Bernays and Walter Lippman. Edited March 14, 2011 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Short answer (based on your own criteria): yes, of course. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 (edited) Christ, you've ignored my post in its entirety based on one sentence that is immediately qualified. You're terrified of honest debate. Probably scared you'll learn something. Go Support the Troops, or something; make yourself useful to somebody, at least. Edited March 14, 2011 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. In the west, Al-queda is considered a terrorist organization.In the Middle East, Africa, South Asia, the CIA/Xe would be considered terrorist organizations. It all depends on what kind of freedom (we know now that is a complete farce and a really bad joke) you are fighting for. But I'll get called ignorant or misguided, or just plain stupid. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 I agree with her 100%. Their mere existence is a threat to us. And they never suffer nearly enough for their crimes against us. you are pathetic, bob. you agree that all of gaza should be wiped out just like the pathetic woman who wants to and enjoys people being killed. i have no time for bottom feeders like you. Quote http://whoprofits.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 (edited) It's a jaw-dropper, alright. Bob is fuelled by hate. He has embraced it as an absolute good. Edited March 14, 2011 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Their mere existence is a threat to us. And they never suffer nearly enough Now were getting down to the nitty gritty. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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