Kings Hearings Death threat - Religion of Peace?

[Mr.Canada]

Rep. Peter King has had around-the-clock security as he pushes forward with a hearing Thursday on the radicalization of Muslims in America, but a new Gallup poll shows a majority of Americans support King's plans.

We are at war with terrorists, those terrorists are Muslims. While true that their are moderate fake Muslims out there in North America their are also Radical Muslims mixed in as well. We need to protect ourselves. Going along blindly will only lead to more attacks against our way of life.

But a new Gallup poll shows that 52 percent of Americans say these hearings are appropriate, though support is split among party lines.

We need to look at doing the same thing in Canada. To close our eyes to homegrown terror is a huge mistake. It would be easier if we didn't allow Muslims into Canada but since they're here we have to deal with the reality that some Muslims would love to kill as many of us as possible. We witnessed this already with the Toronto 18 and it will happen again.

"Congressional investigation of Muslim American radicalization is the logical response to the repeated and urgent warnings which the Obama administration has been making in recent months."

The Obama administration has tried to frame the discussion around radicalization in general, without singling out Muslims. King has said that's just political correctness since Al Qaeda is the main threat to the U.S.

Despite the protests, there's nothing in the prepared testimony that indiscriminately labels Muslims as terrorists, as critics had feared....Source

So as we can see the left wing Soviet style tactics to shut down debate hasn't worked. Neither has anything said during the hearings. Nothing has labeled the Muslims as terrorists.

It's worthwhile to note that Homegrown terror is very real and we have to keep an eye on these Muslims here in Canada as well. We need to go undercover into these mosques and see what is being taught.

Interesting to note that Islam is often quoted as a religion of peace. Members from this peaceful religion are making death threats against the Senator...How peaceful is Islam?

Edited March 11, 2011 by Mr.Canada

[Wilber]

We are at war with terrorists, those terrorists are Muslims. While true that their are moderate fake Muslims out there in North America their are also Radical Muslims mixed in as well. We need to protect ourselves. Going along blindly will only lead to more attacks against our way of life.

We need to look at doing the same thing in Canada. To close our eyes to homegrown terror is a huge mistake. It would be easier if we didn't allow Muslims into Canada but since they're here we have to deal with the reality that some Muslims would love to kill as many of us as possible. We witnessed this already with the Toronto 18 and it will happen again.

So as we can see the left wing Soviet style tactics to shut down debate hasn't worked. Neither has anything said during the hearings. Nothing has labeled the Muslims as terrorists.

It's worthwhile to note that Homegrown terror is very real and we have to keep an eye on these Muslims here in Canada as well. We need to go undercover into these mosques and see what is being taught.

Interesting to note that Islam is often quoted as a religion of peace. Members from this peaceful religion are making death threats against the Senator...How peaceful is Islam?

You mean this Peter King?

[Mr.Canada]

Nice strawman attempt. So by your rationale no one may criticize Islam or investigate homegrown terror unless they're perfect human beings.

Edited March 11, 2011 by Mr.Canada

[Wilber]

Nice strawman attempt. So by your rationale no one may criticize Islam or investigate homegrown terror unless they're perfect human beings.

Not at all but you don't ask someone who knows dick about Muslims and can't get their terrorists straight, you ask someone who knows something about Muslims. Muslim blows up American pub. Bad Muslim. Irishman blows up English pub. Hero.

King is a Joe McCarthy wannabe but my guess is he is one of your heroes as well.

Edited March 11, 2011 by Wilber

[M.Dancer]

Nice strawman attempt.

You don't know what a strawman is...

[Mr.Canada]

You don't know what a strawman is...

The straw man fallacy occurs in the following pattern of argument:

1. Person A has position X.

2. Person B disregards certain key points of X and instead presents the superficially similar position Y. Thus, Y is a resulting distorted version of X and can be set up in several ways, including:

1. Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position.

2. Quoting an opponent's words out of context — i.e. choosing quotations that misrepresent the opponent's actual intentions (see contextomy and quote mining).[2]

3. Presenting someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, then refuting that person's arguments — thus giving the appearance that every upholder of that position (and thus the position itself) has been defeated.[1]

4. Inventing a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs which are then criticized, implying that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical.

5. Oversimplifying an opponent's argument, then attacking this oversimplified version.

3. Person B attacks position Y, concluding that X is false/incorrect/flawed.

This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious, because attacking a distorted version of a position fails to constitute an attack on the actual position.Source

Wilber was insinuating that King cannot be trusted to do a because of his view on B. This is one example of a strawman.

So far we've had zero follow up posts that were actually on topic.

Edited March 11, 2011 by Mr.Canada

[Wilber]

Wilber was insinuating that King cannot be trusted to do a because of his view on B. This is one example of a strawman.

So far we've had zero follow up posts that were actually on topic.

I'm not insinuating anything, I'm saying it flat out.

[Mr.Canada]

I'm not insinuating anything, I'm saying it flat out.

What's important is that they're looking into it. I don't care who does it as long as they find the Radical elements of Islam hiding among the public I feel safe.

We need the same honest discussion in Canada.

Edited March 11, 2011 by Mr.Canada

[Wilber]

What's important is that they're looking into it. I don't care who does it as long as they find the Radical elements of Islam hiding among the public I feel safe.

We need the same honest discussion in Canada.

Guess you would hire a plumber to fix your TV as well. If you want honest discussion, you need someone who will discuss things honestly. That is not what King is about.

[DogOnPorch]

I guess the point besides the Congressman being somewhat of a Red Threat throwback is that it's OK to target the troops fighting abroad as possible terrorist threats, but not certain specific threats at home.

Like Islam.

There is none of this fuss when the specific threat is Latin American gangs such as the Mara Salvatrucha or their ilk. Hunt them down. But, oddly there aren't huge cries of Latinophobia...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mara_Salvatrucha

Edited March 11, 2011 by DogOnPorch

[Wilber]

There is none of this fuss when the specific threat is Latin American gangs such as the Mara Salvatrucha or their ilk. Hunt them down. But, oddly there aren't huge cries of Latinophobia...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mara_Salvatrucha

Ya but they are good Christian gangsters.

[Bitsy]

Nice strawman attempt.

One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter, and that is not a strawman position.

[Mr.Canada]

Man people are so anal. I find it crazy that people here support Radical Islam. Yes, you support it by not condemning it. You don't want the government to look into anyone's activities or do anything. Just wait for them to kill innocent people and then do something. That is a disgusting attitude to have. You left wingers would rather that Radical Islam kill people before doing anything and even then I'm sure you lefties would make some sort of excuse as to why this person killed people. Disgusting that the left here would support the Muslim man that massacred innocent people at Fort Hood.

We are at war with terror. Those terrorists are Muslims. It only makes sense to look into the background of people in the country who are Muslims. What do they have to hide? Radical Islam exists in the US and Canada. Why do we keep importing our enemy?

[M.Dancer]

Man people are so anal.

I suppose you have video evidence?

[Bitsy]

While King’s fear mongering hearings were going on in Washington DC, terrorists of a different persuasion, a white separatist group, were receiving publicity in Washington state after an arrest was made in the MLK parade bombing attempt.

http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/03/erich_gliebe_national_alliance.php#

Edited to add this link on an anti-government terrorist group in Alaska.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/sovereign_citizens_arrested_in_alaska_for_alleged_plot_to_kill_police_federal_judge.php?ref=fpblg#

Edited March 11, 2011 by Bitsy

[scouterjim]

While King’s fear mongering hearings were going on in Washington DC, terrorists of a different persuasion, a white separatist group, were receiving publicity in Washington state after an arrest was made in the MLK parade bombing attempt.

http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/03/erich_gliebe_national_alliance.php#

They can't be terrorists. They are white Christians, and we all know that they must be perfect. After all, only Muslims can be terrorists according to Mr. C.

[Mr.Canada]

They can't be terrorists. They are white Christians, and we all know that they must be perfect. After all, only Muslims can be terrorists according to Mr. C.

Most terrorist problems world wide are Muslim terrorists, have been for a long time.

[CANADIEN]

Peter King is a known supporter of a terorist organization, IRA. He was friendly with the man responsible for that terrorist organization, stayed in the home of the man responsble for authorizing each and every terrorist act in Belfast. In more recent year, he had defended a convicted IRA terrorist who had been arrested after living in the USA for 15 years.

After 9/11, he insulted the memory of the iinocent civilian victims of his IRA terrorist buddies by arguing there was no parralel by the IRA and Al-Queada because the IRA had no attacked thue USA.

The risk of homegrown terrorism should be investigated. In all its form, whoever the terrorists are and whatever their motivations are. No supporter of terrorism should be in charge of such investigations.

Now, I fully expect that a certaim person here will make a fool of himself by claiming that I support extremism or terrorism. I expect that he will not realize that his Soviet-like tactics won't work. I fully expect that he will not realize that I value his opinion of me about as much as the opinion of a garbage can (with my apologies to garbage cans everywhere).

Edited March 12, 2011 by CANADIEN

[Shakeyhands]

I suppose you have video evidence?

OMG... so funny.

[CANADIEN]

Most terrorist problems world wide are Muslim terrorists, have been for a long time.

Now, if I were a certain person, I would make a fool of myself by claiming that you support right wing militia terrorism. Fortunately, I am not that person.

But don't you agree that radicalisation and terrorist threat should be investigated and fought, no matter its source?