Mr.Canada Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 Canada would be lucky to have a strong leader like Francisco Franco. He believed in Traditional Family Values, God, nationalism. He was anti-communist, anti freemason and strongly pro Catholic. I just bought an autographed photo of him off of Ebay for my Office. Canada hasn't had a strong leader like Franco in a very long time. he raised the standard of living for the Spanish people. After his death he was totally railroaded by the communists who took over. The communists outlawed everything to do with Franco and tore down all the statues. Very Sad. Rest in Peace Franco. The world could use you now. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
scouterjim Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 Canada would be lucky to have a strong leader like Francisco Franco. He believed in Traditional Family Values, God, nationalism. He was anti-communist, anti freemason and strongly pro Catholic. I just bought an autographed photo of him off of Ebay for my Office. Canada hasn't had a strong leader like Franco in a very long time. he raised the standard of living for the Spanish people. After his death he was totally railroaded by the communists who took over. The communists outlawed everything to do with Franco and tore down all the statues. Very Sad. Rest in Peace Franco. The world could use you now. His regime also executed thousands, imposed a lack of freedom, pandered to the rich and the church, and supported Hitler and Mussolini. Quote I have captured the rare duct taped platypus.
wyly Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 His regime also executed thousands, imposed a lack of freedom, pandered to the rich and the church, and supported Hitler and Mussolini. he probably has autographed pics of adolf and benito on his office wall as well... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
scouterjim Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 he probably has autographed pics of adolf and benito on his office wall as well... Possibly. I know Juan Peron in Argentina did. Quote I have captured the rare duct taped platypus.
Mr.Canada Posted February 28, 2011 Author Report Posted February 28, 2011 he probably has autographed pics of adolf and benito on his office wall as well... No, no Hitler photographs. Hitler was a right wing socialist. Plus me having Jewish heritage and the whole 6 million thing. Not really my thing. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Scotty Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 Canada would be lucky to have a strong leader like Francisco Franco. He believed in Traditional Family Values, God, nationalism. He was anti-communist, anti freemason and strongly pro Catholic. While I'm no expert, wasn't Spain under Franco as close to a third world country as there was in Western Europe? I'm thinking his economic policies probably weren't the best. Spain has made immense economic progress since his demise. Rest in Peace Franco. The world could use you now. You want a leader who sets up camps and slaughters people by the thousands? Who do you want to see dead? Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
ToadBrother Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 Canada would be lucky to have a strong leader like Francisco Franco. He believed in Traditional Family Values, God, nationalism. He was anti-communist, anti freemason and strongly pro Catholic. I just bought an autographed photo of him off of Ebay for my Office. Canada hasn't had a strong leader like Franco in a very long time. he raised the standard of living for the Spanish people. After his death he was totally railroaded by the communists who took over. The communists outlawed everything to do with Franco and tore down all the statues. Very Sad. Rest in Peace Franco. The world could use you now. Okay, I get it. You're just trolling now. Quote
ToadBrother Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 No, no Hitler photographs. Hitler was a right wing socialist. Plus me having Jewish heritage and the whole 6 million thing. Not really my thing. You certainly seemed to have a problem with Jews a year ago. Quote
WIP Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 Canada would be lucky to have a strong leader like Francisco Franco. He believed in Traditional Family Values, God, nationalism. He was anti-communist, anti freemason and strongly pro Catholic. I just bought an autographed photo of him off of Ebay for my Office. Canada hasn't had a strong leader like Franco in a very long time. he raised the standard of living for the Spanish people. After his death he was totally railroaded by the communists who took over. The communists outlawed everything to do with Franco and tore down all the statues. Very Sad. Rest in Peace Franco. The world could use you now. Thanks again, for once more proving the point that conservatives are fascists at heart. Conservatives worship authority (or at least what they call rightful authority) and dissent is not tolerated. Franco was a murderous thug sent in by the Catholic Church and the land owners to suppress a democratic uprising in Spain, but that's alright with you, as long as he is pro-Catholic, nationalist, anti-communist, and anti-homosexual.....so why did you write a fanboy post about Franco, instead of Hitler and Mussolini...who sent their armies in to invade Spain and install Franco into power? They made Franco's reign possible, and they also shared these same qualities that you are swooning over! Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
Mr.Canada Posted February 28, 2011 Author Report Posted February 28, 2011 Franco wasn't a fascist. Spain wasn't run like the below description. Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Scotty Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 Thanks again, for once more proving the point that conservatives are fascists at heart. Conservatives worship authority (or at least what they call rightful authority) and dissent is not tolerated. With all due respect, the response to a post you think is dumb is not to write a post others will think is dumber. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
WIP Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 With all due respect, the response to a post you think is dumb is not to write a post others will think is dumber. I can back that up if you want to argue the authoritarian connection with conservatism, or its founding as a moderate path for the ruling classes of Europe to avoid being overthrown by violent revolutions, as occurred in France, and sent panic through the aristocratic circles in Europe at that time. Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
Scotty Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 I can back that up if you want to argue the authoritarian connection with conservatism, or its founding as a moderate path for the ruling classes of Europe to avoid being overthrown by violent revolutions, as occurred in France, and sent panic through the aristocratic circles in Europe at that time. You can try and put it into as much historical context as you like, it's still not going to excuse a sweeping statement suggesting all right wingers are closet Fascists. That's akin to suggesting all left wingers are closet Communists and long to gain control so they can establish labour and re-education camps and purge the people of unclean thoughts. For their own good, of course. Both are caricatures. There have been authoritarian 'right wing' regimes and authoritarian 'left wing' regimes. Authoritarianism does not have an ideology. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
WIP Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 Franco wasn't a fascist. Spain wasn't run like the below description. Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy Since you're such a wikipedia fan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Franco#Political_oppression The first decade of Franco's rule in the 1940s following the end of the Civil War in 1939 saw continued oppression and the killing of an undetermined number of political opponents. Estimation is difficult and controversial, but the number of people killed probably lies somewhere between 15,000 and 50,000 (see above, The end of the Civil War). Subsequently Franco's state became less violent, but during his rule non-government trade unions and all political opponents across the political spectrum, from communist and anarchist organizations to liberal democrats and Catalan or Basque separatists, were either suppressed or tightly controlled by all means, up to and including violent police repression. The Confederación Nacional del Trabajo (CNT) and the Unión General de Trabajadores (UGT) trade-unions were outlawed, and replaced in 1940 by the corporatist Sindicato Vertical. The Spanish Socialist Workers' Party and the Esquerra Republicana de Catalunya (ERC) were banned in 1939, while the Communist Party of Spain (PCE) went underground. The Basque Nationalist Party (PNV) went into exile, and in 1959, the ETA armed group was created to wage a low-intensity war against Franco. Franco's Spanish nationalism promoted a unitary national identity by repressing Spain's cultural diversity. Bullfighting and flamenco[51] were promoted as national traditions while those traditions not considered "Spanish" were suppressed. Franco's view of Spanish tradition was somewhat artificial and arbitrary: while some regional traditions were suppressed, Flamenco, an Andalusian tradition, was considered part of a larger, national identity. All cultural activities were subject to censorship, and many were plainly forbidden (often in an erratic manner). This cultural policy relaxed with time, most notably in the late 1960s and early 1970s. Maybe that sounds right with you, but it doesn't to anyone who really appreciates freedom and democracy. After Franco died and King Juan Carlos took control of the reins of government, the generals tried to carry out a coup d'etat when they learned that he was going to turn control of the government over to the people. Franco's Falangists or National Union Party won only 8% of the popular vote once real democracy was restored to Spain in 1981. The Falangist Party's fortunes were so dismal that they dissolved in 1983. And that fact is food for thought regarding how small a population of authoritarian drone supporters needs to be to keep an oppressive, authoritarian government in power for decades! And modern-day authoritarian leaders are aware of this fact, and are busy at work cultivating a base of simple-minded supporters seeking simple-minded solutions to political and economic issues. Your assertion that Franco wasn't a fascist, is just playing with semantics, since he was fascist enough for Hitler and Mussolini to consider him one of their own, and he ruled for decades after they were overthrown through oppression and intimidation, and convincing the U.S. and England that he would be an essential ally for them after WWII to prevent a communist takeover of Western Europe. Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
WIP Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 You can try and put it into as much historical context as you like, it's still not going to excuse a sweeping statement suggesting all right wingers are closet Fascists. That's akin to suggesting all left wingers are closet Communists and long to gain control so they can establish labour and re-education camps and purge the people of unclean thoughts. For their own good, of course. Both are caricatures. There have been authoritarian 'right wing' regimes and authoritarian 'left wing' regimes. Authoritarianism does not have an ideology. Until I see signs of a real communist movement emerging, I'm going to keep my guns pointed at the right. Authoritarianism may arise in the left when there are enough people who have given up on the democratic system and feel that there is only one way to deal with the shadow government of corporatism that has been running our lives for the past several decades. Authoritarian followers are motivated by appeals to traditional symbols of power; and all the right has to do is wrap up nationalism with Christianity and they can reel them right in to support policies that are against their own economic interests. Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
Mr.Canada Posted February 28, 2011 Author Report Posted February 28, 2011 An authoritarian government could help guide our young people, giving them a role model. In todays world young people in general have Hollywood disease as role models. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
fellowtraveller Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 Spain has made immense economic progress since his demise. True, but Spain is also in very serious financial trouble right now. Quote The government should do something.
ToadBrother Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 An authoritarian government could help guide our young people, giving them a role model. In todays world young people in general have Hollywood disease as role models. I was chewed out a few days ago by calling people what I firmly believe they are. Use your imagination to determine what I'm calling you for making possible the stupidest post in the history of mankind, a post so steeped in ignorance, so lacking in any evidence of intellect or intellectual rigor that well, you just have to try to imagine what I feel of the person that made it. Quote
M.Dancer Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 I was chewed out a few days ago by calling people what I firmly believe they are. Use your imagination to determine what I'm calling you for making possible the stupidest post in the history of mankind, a post so steeped in ignorance, so lacking in any evidence of intellect or intellectual rigor that well, you just have to try to imagine what I feel of the person that made it. I approve of this message. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
BubberMiley Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 Everyone also says Franco sucked as an Oscar host, but I kind of liked him. He seemed sort of endearingly baked. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Scotty Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 True, but Spain is also in very serious financial trouble right now. Well, yeah, but so's everyone else! Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
CANADIEN Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 Canada would be lucky to have a strong leader like Francisco Franco. He believed in Traditional Family Values, God, nationalism. He was anti-communist, anti freemason and strongly pro Catholic. I just bought an autographed photo of him off of Ebay for my Office. Canada hasn't had a strong leader like Franco in a very long time. he raised the standard of living for the Spanish people. After his death he was totally railroaded by the communists who took over. The communists outlawed everything to do with Franco and tore down all the statues. Very Sad. Rest in Peace Franco. The world could use you now. Careful what you wish for. A Franco-like regime might not like your attempts at making films about flying bodily fluids. More seriously, thank you for removing any illusion people may have had about your hatred for democracy, human rights and just plain decency. Quote
Wilber Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 An authoritarian government could help guide our young people, giving them a role model. In todays world young people in general have Hollywood disease as role models. Some dude in Libya who styles himself a colonel has a job for you. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Wilber Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 Everyone also says Franco sucked as an Oscar host, but I kind of liked him. He seemed sort of endearingly baked. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
DogOnPorch Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 Some dude in Libya who styles himself a colonel has a job for you. Frick, no kiddin'. Other than being a murderous bastard who was chums with Hitler & Mussolini...sure, he's the guy to look-up to. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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