Scotty Posted March 7, 2011 Report Posted March 7, 2011 There are those who work in places with unions that are forced to be under union thuggery. Those who are called scabs. Almost identical to african americans in the jim crow era. Are you saying scabs are being whipped? Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Jack Weber Posted March 7, 2011 Report Posted March 7, 2011 I can argue since I've never made any claim of 'amazing wages and benefits', nor has any other person on this thread defending unions. Unions have been responsible for a general improvement in wages, benefits and working conditions over the past century. That is not really debatable. And as the percentage of unionized workers has shrunk, those benefits and wages and rights are being rolled back. To repeat: The minimum paid vacation for an American workers is NOTHING. It is the only country in the western world that miserly towards workers. Meanwhile, in those socialist hellholes, workers can count on 5, 6, 7, 8 weeks of vacation each year. Poor bastards! But,but,but.. Productivity!! Competativeness!!!! Personal freedom!!!! The "tyranny" of "socialists"!!!! Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Bonam Posted March 7, 2011 Report Posted March 7, 2011 I can't believe barbarians like pinko and Jack are still advocating for violence against people who are just trying to earn money by doing work. What freaking century are we living in? Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 7, 2011 Report Posted March 7, 2011 I can't believe barbarians like pinko and Jack are still advocating for violence against people who are just trying to earn money by doing work. What freaking century are we living in? Ah yes... The RTW advocate chimes in with the poor downtrodden scab arguement... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
pinko Posted March 7, 2011 Report Posted March 7, 2011 Ah yes... The RTW advocate chimes in with the poor downtrodden scab arguement... I kinda like the label of barbarian. Thanks. Quote
blueblood Posted March 7, 2011 Report Posted March 7, 2011 Are you saying scabs are being whipped? According to jack weber, they get louisville slugger imprints upside the head. His words not mine! Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Jack Weber Posted March 7, 2011 Report Posted March 7, 2011 I kinda like the label of barbarian. Thanks. I love the sanctimonious crap from the free marketeers... Of course,they are quite prepared to hide behind the canard of "individual freedom" to make people poorer and regain thaty power and control dynamic... But...It's NOT a wealth redistribution excercise...And,it's defonately NOT a race to the bottom of the economic barrel!!! Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
blueblood Posted March 7, 2011 Report Posted March 7, 2011 Ah yes... The RTW advocate chimes in with the poor downtrodden scab arguement... And the union advocates chime in with follow me or have a baseball bat upside the head! Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Jack Weber Posted March 7, 2011 Report Posted March 7, 2011 According to jack weber, they get louisville slugger imprints upside the head. His words not mine! My words were directed at one(1) individual who seems to love the fact that he regularily crossed picket lines and antagonized striking workers while doing it... And admitted he was quite proud of this fact... Amongst his other anti-labour silliness... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
pinko Posted March 7, 2011 Report Posted March 7, 2011 I love the sanctimonious crap from the free marketeers... Of course,they are quite prepared to hide behind the canard of "individual freedom" to make people poorer and regain thaty power and control dynamic... But...It's NOT a wealth redistribution excercise...And,it's defonately NOT a race to the bottom of the economic barrel!!! I wonder if blueblood plays baseball. Maybe a baseball game is in order. We could exchange ideas about unions and free enterprise. Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 7, 2011 Report Posted March 7, 2011 And the union advocates chime in with follow me or have a baseball bat upside the head! And your boy,Mr.O'Leary advocates for crushing all organized labour out of existence.. What would be your favourite method of crushing???? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted March 7, 2011 Report Posted March 7, 2011 (edited) I wonder if blueblood plays baseball. Maybe a baseball game is in order. We could exchange ideas about unions and free enterprise. I played ball... 3rd base and Shortstop... I have a Louisville Slugger,as well.... Edited March 7, 2011 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
pinko Posted March 7, 2011 Report Posted March 7, 2011 Well there you go. Maybe we could pick the teams and a mutually agreeable field of play. Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 7, 2011 Report Posted March 7, 2011 I want to play at Comiskey Park in Chicago...(I refuse to call it Cellular Field!!!!) I'm a White Sox fan... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
CANADIEN Posted March 7, 2011 Report Posted March 7, 2011 (edited) I love it, he still advocates violence toward replacement workers but at the same time bringing up workplace abuses by management!! So was it all right for black people to be beaten with bats for eating at a white only restaurant during jim crow? You seem to believe so since you and your ilk advocate baseball bat beatings for replacement workers. You'll wish that I didn't get curious and didn't click to see what new bit of crap you'd written. Here is exactly (including the typos), what I have written on the issue of strike breakers. which means this is exactly what I think: Any scab deserves scorn. Anyone who advocates violence in labour disputes deserves even more of it, and anyonewho performs acts of vilence in labour disputes deserves unemployment, and jail. My opinion of racists is also well known to anybody who has read my postings on this site. You, Sir, are a liar. Edited March 7, 2011 by CANADIEN Quote
pinko Posted March 7, 2011 Report Posted March 7, 2011 I want to play at Comiskey Park in Chicago...(I refuse to call it Cellular Field!!!!) I'm a White Sox fan... I've never been to Chicago. I prefer the White Sox to the Cubs myself. Other than at World Series time I don't really follow baseball that much. Quote
Scotty Posted March 7, 2011 Report Posted March 7, 2011 Your constant referral to business enterprise as a race to the bottom doesn't help your cause any. There is no race to the bottom unless that is your goal for business. Your arguments are really not very important given the undeniable fact that everywhere there are no unions the workers have lousy working conditions, lousy pay, and lousy benefits compared to those jurisdictions where unions are strong. Nor is there any compensation in the form of lower unemployment. You can spout philosophy about freedom and economic success all you want, but the facts are very clearly telling an entirely different story. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
blueblood Posted March 7, 2011 Report Posted March 7, 2011 Your arguments are really not very important given the undeniable fact that everywhere there are no unions the workers have lousy working conditions, lousy pay, and lousy benefits compared to those jurisdictions where unions are strong. Nor is there any compensation in the form of lower unemployment. You can spout philosophy about freedom and economic success all you want, but the facts are very clearly telling an entirely different story. Like the fact that states google is consistently rated as one of the best places to work in the usa? Oops!! Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Scotty Posted March 7, 2011 Report Posted March 7, 2011 Do you know what happened as a result of workers having their civil rights infinged? Regulations and laws. As is the case in the south with african americans. How about the civil rights for those crossing the picket line? Workers who don't tow the union line are subject to the same kind of oppression by unions that you put in your post. Oppression? What sort of 'oppression'. Scabs in our union are not allowed to vote until they pay fines or some such, but they're still members of the union, still get the same benefits and pay, and still have to be represented in any dispute with the employer. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted March 7, 2011 Report Posted March 7, 2011 Someone who wants to work because they need to make money, and is happy to do so for less than others, does not deserve scorn. How about contempt? Scabs have no self respect, though, so contempt and scorn ought not bother them. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted March 7, 2011 Report Posted March 7, 2011 You are demonizing someone for not going along with the group. That he is a scab is enough for you to hate him. You have your groupthink stance, and you and Weber have both shown you wish violence on such people based upon that ideology. It's not about the scab's political opinion. It's about their harming the union and prolonging the strike by their actions. They are quite literally taking the bread out of the mouths of the striking workers. Small wonder they are hated. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted March 7, 2011 Report Posted March 7, 2011 I kinda like the label of barbarian. Thanks. You know, as much as I'm a very peaceful man and generally abhor violence, I have to admit that a part of me doesn't wonder if the peaceable nature of today's unions has a lot to do with how they've shrunk in size and allowed themselves to be herded out of existence in some of these states. I know I was very unimpressed with the Steelworkers when we were locked out. That was a situation which really begged for, if not violence, then at least a lot of vandalism towards the employer's property. On the other hand, we were on rotating strike a few years back (different union) and I remember this guy in a suit coming up to our side door and we, as usual formed a line to block him. This guy with us was like Cool Hand Luke, and just chewed his gum, stuck his face in under the suit's face and said "You're not gettin' in,' in a very flat, convincing voice. There is a place for, if not violence, then a certain assertiveness in these things, at least, where the employer is acting like a bullying jerk. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted March 7, 2011 Report Posted March 7, 2011 Like the fact that states google is consistently rated as one of the best places to work in the usa? Oops!! Yeah, a high tech company competing for the very best, most highly educated technical geniuses is EXACTLY like a RTW state! Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
blueblood Posted March 7, 2011 Report Posted March 7, 2011 Oppression? What sort of 'oppression'. Scabs in our union are not allowed to vote until they pay fines or some such, but they're still members of the union, still get the same benefits and pay, and still have to be represented in any dispute with the employer. And that gentlemen is called thievery and intimidation! Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
pinko Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 You know, as much as I'm a very peaceful man and generally abhor violence, I have to admit that a part of me doesn't wonder if the peaceable nature of today's unions has a lot to do with how they've shrunk in size and allowed themselves to be herded out of existence in some of these states. I know I was very unimpressed with the Steelworkers when we were locked out. That was a situation which really begged for, if not violence, then at least a lot of vandalism towards the employer's property. On the other hand, we were on rotating strike a few years back (different union) and I remember this guy in a suit coming up to our side door and we, as usual formed a line to block him. This guy with us was like Cool Hand Luke, and just chewed his gum, stuck his face in under the suit's face and said "You're not gettin' in,' in a very flat, convincing voice. There is a place for, if not violence, then a certain assertiveness in these things, at least, where the employer is acting like a bullying jerk. Agreed Quote
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