Vote Hudak for Cheap Beer

[Evening Star]

(Green energy wasn't the only thing I mentioned btw.)

[Wild Bill]

I see what you're saying. This is the MicroFit programme you're describing, then?

Yep! But that's not all! McGuinty has been closing down coal and gas fueled generating stations. He claims that they are dirty and he will replace the needed power with sources that are more "green".

There are several problems with what he is doing. First off, technology to clean up coal and gas burners has dramatically improved these past few years. McGuinty could have save a LOT of money buying that technology to clean up the existing generators. Of course, if he did that he couldn't claim the same "green" credit as for wind and solar.

If he had have renovated and kept the old generators he would have had a lot of relatively clean power from sources that are easily revved up and down, dependent on the needs of the power grid. Instead, he went with programs like FIT and MicroFIT, that pay a huge subsidy for power with a guarantee to take it all, NEVER asking the producer to throttle down!

What he's done is gone with "solutions" that LOOK good, rather than those that DO good! It all started way back in the early years of his first term, when he shot his mouth off about closing "dirty" coal and gas generators and then found out after he made the promise that if he followed through he had no power to replace them! Ontario would have been in a blackout situation!

This of course was just an example of his ignorance! He had no idea that if you take away some generating capacity you have to get it from somewhere else! He and his people are just not technically aware. No doubt they thought everyone could just have a few extra plugs put in their walls.

So he had to backtract, delaying the shutdowns for a few years. This was embarrassing, but not nearly as embarrassing as abandoning the idea alltogether! At all costs he must close down those older plants. Renovation with modern clean technology was out of the question. He chose FIT programs as his alternative and he really doesn't care if they cost all of us big time on our electricity bills! He explains that away by claiming there are no other choices if we want to save the planet!

I think that he has made a big political mistake. Traditionally, EVERYONE wants to save the planet! They just don't want to have to pay too much for it! It's easy to kick in some bucks when you're flush but when you're hurting you feel differently about it. And these past few years Ontario has been hurting. Because McGuinty didn't understand how much and how fast electricity bills were going to rise as a result of his policies he's now in a bind. He's trying to turn the issue onto his Conservative opponents by demanding they reveal their own solutions but Hudak isn't stupid! If he revealed practical solutions McGuinty has more than enough time to steal them for himself and have the issue fade away before the next election! The Tories are going to wait until the campaign actually starts to reveal anyone of a number of better options, options that will make it obvious that McGuinty wasn't very smart.

[madmax]

I couldn't help but notice that you failed to answer my question.

1st off, I think WB has answered any questions relevant to this thread, and one day I want to get together with him and have a beer.

I didn't noticed you asked a question. I thought you were making points.

Let me go back and look and I will post a follow to your question.

[madmax]

Forgetting cheap beer for a moment,can any of you from the left name anything Dalton has done that benefits the people of Ontario?And I'm not talking about Ontario public servants including teachers,we know they have fared extremely well under the Liberals.

The health tax...errrr I mean premium?

The HST... another tax on EVERYTHING!

Was it E-health?

Was it the OLG scandal?

Is it our ballooning deficit?

The growing debt?(see above)

What about segregated schools?(I just KNOW that makes lefties squirm inside,lol)

Can it be the Liberal green energy policy?($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$,we pay,Samsung gets richer)

Well....... what has Dalton done right?

I think you answered your own questions.

Look at the list of Problems above. There is nothing on that list I agree with or supported.

THank goodness with all those problems listed above,

HUDAKs going to get me Beer 6cents cheaper a bottle.

[Molly]

I couldn't help but notice that you failed to answer my question.

Might help if indicated who you were talking to.

[ironstone]

Might help if indicated who you were talking to.

Madmax was making fun of Tim Hudak and I have no problem with that.I merely asked what Dalton has done right during his time in office.Anyone is welcome to try and make up an answer to this question,including you Molly.

[Molly]

Silly to look at me with such a question.

Ontario provincial politics is a wasteland. Mr. Mcguinty's only defense is that he was minutely less rediculous or dangerous than John Tory.

[Mr.Canada]

Daddy Dalton is simply trying to deflect people from looking at his own record. If the Premier has to run on his own record he's finished.

[Evening Star]

Actually, one thing I do have against McGuinty is dropping OHIP coverage for eye exams. I somehow don't think the PCs would reinstate this though.

[Smallc]

Did they drop all coverage, or do like Manitoba? Here they stopped covering part of the cost of all exams, and instead cover the full cost of exams (every 2 years) from 0 - 19 and from 65 - death. They also now cover the exam of all injuries (but they don't yet cover an Optimap).

[Molly]

I have no problem with that, at all. I mean, it's nice if you are flush, but when there are debts and shortfalls in more fundamental places that's a fairly harmless/painless place to trim a budget... and there are very few families that have more unavoidable eye issues than my clan.

Now, that old pit-bull ban- that's as dopey a thing as I've ever seen a government waste time on. I have, at best, mixed feelings about some of the money that was put back into schools, though some of the things I'm disappointed by do not really belong on the provincial government doorstep. (Why do so many Ontario politicians seem to have so much difficulty discerning the things that are under their own jurisdiction from the things that are the bailywick of other levels of government?)

I have to call myself a beneficiary of the greenbelt designations since our property is 100% pure developement land, and instituting the greenbelt advanced developers' interest in it by 20 miles and 20 years. (Thank-you, Dalton.)

And, of course, I have electricity bills...

[Evening Star]

It's similar to what you describe in MB, Smallc.:

http://www.health.gov.on.ca/english/public/pub/ohip/eyecare.html

Edited February 13, 2011 by Evening Star

[Molly]

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Edited February 13, 2011 by Molly

[Smallc]

It's similar to what you describe in MB, Smallc.:

http://www.health.gov.on.ca/english/public/pub/ohip/eyecare.html

Actually, yours is more comprehensive. Ours is only every 2 years, and only to 18 (I was wrong about 19 earlier).

Edited February 13, 2011 by Smallc

[Evening Star]

I have, at best, mixed feelings about some of the money that was put back into schools,

In what ways?

I don't have much of an opinion on the pitbull ban but my dog-loving gf loathes it. The expanded Greenbelt designations sounded good to me but I don't know the details there (so I didn't mention them earlier).

I should admit that since coming back to Canada, my hydro has always been included in my rent so I've never had to pay an electricity bill.

[Molly]

In what ways?

Ah. We arrived in Ontario from Saskatchewan at the end of the Harris and Romanow administrations, moving in no small part to access an academic opportunity for one of our kids. The shrieking about the Ontario education system having been gutted and destroyed- stripped down, starved of funds and robbed of it's heart- was at maximum decibel level... but what did we see and experience?

Our sprout entered a system that offered opportunities beyond our wildest dreams, a system that spent money as though there was no end to it- had a habit of waste and entitlement that made us cringe at every turn - and yet maintained negligible performance standards for anyone. (We were gobsmacked by the open political partisanship of staff, too. Eye-poppingly unprofessional.)

The entire premise of outrage, therefore, was... bogus. Laughable, even. And, most of the issues I had/have are based in the notion that the cost-cutting/accountability demanding was barely begun, and that a pendulum swing to restored or additional spending was premature.

[Topaz]

I guess it comes down to is what the liberals have done vs what the Tories are going to do, which is still unknown except lower beer prices.Since the Tories don't believe in social programs, I guess if elected, to reduce the debt, social programs will take a hit. I suppose he'll bring back the Harris advisors to help him and then, its Harris era all over again.

[madmax]

No need to speculate

Beers gonna be 6 cents cheaper.

Will this be a priority for Hudak in a Minority Parliment?

Will he get this done.

Will he form a coalition with with the buck a Beer Supporters in other parties.

The Buckabeer Coalition government.

Opposition shall be called the 6cents.

[Wild Bill]

No need to speculate

Beers gonna be 6 cents cheaper.

Will this be a priority for Hudak in a Minority Parliment?

Will he get this done.

Will he form a coalition with with the buck a Beer Supporters in other parties.

The Buckabeer Coalition government.

Opposition shall be called the 6cents.

Yeah! Buckabeer! What a great campaign slogan!

Best I've heard for an election yet!

At last, something inspiring!

[Moonbox]

and, yes, green energy.

McGuinty's green energy incentives were nothing more than a pander to Ontario farmers. Farmers who build solar panels on their properties are guaranteed rates something between 10-80 times more expensive than conventional energy. There's NOTHING green about impractically expensive energy. Hell, if that's what we're going to do, why don't we just spend a couple hundred billion on a fusion reactor that will produce 1.000000000001 x more energy than it consumes. That's clean too you know....