Topaz Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 The NDP said they could support Harper if he would support their pension ideas. Harper, in Commons yesterday didn't seem to want to support the NDP on this but who knows. One thing about the NDP, they may not be large in numbers but when it comes to elections, they have the power there. In my view on the pensions, I think it would be better to leave the CPP alone, except, to raise the death benefit from $2500 to $5000. I think that Old Age Security and Guaranteed Income Security is a better way to go. Not everyone qualifies for CPP but most all Canadians can get the OAS and GIS. Thoughts? http://www.stoneycreeknews.com/news/article/228847 Quote
scribblet Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 Increasing CPP benefits would mean raising premiums which are high now, it's not the way to go. I don't have a problem with improving GIS payments for those with low incomes, Ontario should lift the HST on oil and hydro. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
punked Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 Increasing CPP benefits would mean raising premiums which are high now, it's not the way to go. I don't have a problem with improving GIS payments for those with low incomes, Ontario should lift the HST on oil and hydro. The NDP doesn't want to raise benefits to raise your premiums they want to have the choice of putting more in. So if you want to as a contributor you could double your benefits if you want to pay into it. It is about choice. Quote
pfezziwig Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 Maybe the title of the article should say, 'NDP Doesn't Want To Lose Seats With Election' ? They have the most to potentially lose in an election of the major parties, fine by me, like most Canadians we don't want an election that changes nothing significantly in Parliament. Quote Healthcare Reviews , rate your doctor, dentist, hospital and more
punked Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 Maybe the title of the article should say, 'NDP Doesn't Want To Lose Seats With Election' ? They have the most to potentially lose in an election of the major parties, fine by me, like most Canadians we don't want an election that changes nothing significantly in Parliament. Or it could read NDP wants something they have been asking for for 3 years and now is their chance to get it. Quote
GWiz Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 The NDP doesn't want to raise benefits to raise your premiums they want to have the choice of putting more in. So if you want to as a contributor you could double your benefits if you want to pay into it. It is about choice. Wouldn't that make it more about age and ability to contribute than choice? Sounds like a very Conservative idea to me... The richer get richer, the poor get poorer method... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
GWiz Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 Or it could read NDP wants something they have been asking for for 3 years and now is their chance to get it. Keep that kind of talk up and we'll end up with a Conservative majority which NOBODY wants... Why are you trying to help Harper? I thought you were a staunch NDPer, aren't you? Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
punked Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 Wouldn't that make it more about age and ability to contribute than choice? Sounds like a very Conservative idea to me... The richer get richer, the poor get poorer method... Yes the rich will get richer by being able to contribute more to CPP. Quote
punked Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 Keep that kind of talk up and we'll end up with a Conservative majority which NOBODY wants... Why are you trying to help Harper? I thought you were a staunch NDPer, aren't you? Harper already has a Majority the Liberals give him everything he wants and never negotiate with the man. At least this way we will get something. I don't the Conservatives will go for it though Alberta is against it seems to me the NDP are trying to make government work and no else wants to. Quote
wyly Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 harper in bed with the socialists? say it isn't so!...and now the conservatives are also in talks with the separatists Bloc too ...it's the feared coalition!!! Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
GWiz Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 harper in bed with the socialists? say it isn't so!...and now the conservatives are also in talks with the separatists Bloc too ...it's the feared coalition!!! 'Tis so! 'Tis so! AGAIN! Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
bloodyminded Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 Ah...so a coalition is bad only if it threatens the minority government. If it supports the minority government, so be it! Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
GWiz Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 Ah...so a coalition is bad only if it threatens the minority government. If it supports the minority government, so be it! Well now, let's be realistic here, if it was the CONSERVATIVES that WANTED an ELECTION they'd simply say NO to any "deals" with the NDP and/or BLOC, right? There's no way that either the NDP or BLOC would keep the Harper Gov. in power without being paid off, is there? Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
bloodyminded Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 Well now, let's be realistic here, if it was the CONSERVATIVES that WANTED an ELECTION they'd simply say NO to any "deals" with the NDP and/or BLOC, right? There's no way that either the NDP or BLOC would keep the Harper Gov. in power without being paid off, is there? Nope. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
GWiz Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 Nope. I FULLY understand your one word answer... You are an excellent communicator... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
punked Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 Well now, let's be realistic here, if it was the CONSERVATIVES that WANTED an ELECTION they'd simply say NO to any "deals" with the NDP and/or BLOC, right? There's no way that either the NDP or BLOC would keep the Harper Gov. in power without being paid off, is there? You are so right. The Liberals keep Harper in power for 2 years asking for nothing but the NDP have a price that price being help to Canadians. Quote
GWiz Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 Yes the rich will get richer by being able to contribute more to CPP. You forgot to address age? Exactly! A poor person would be unable to top up his/her CCP contribution... A richer person would have absolutely no problem topping up his/her CCP contibutions... Thereby the richer person would be profiting from the ability to do so with a higher CPP payout... Thanks for agreeing with me... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
punked Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 You forgot to address age? Exactly! A poor person would be unable to top up his/her CCP contribution... A richer person would have absolutely no problem topping up his/her CCP contibutions... Thereby the richer person would be profiting from the ability to do so with a higher CPP payout... Thanks for agreeing with me... Yep you are right no CPP for anyone it is clearly to capitalist for you. Seriously though working Canadians need a place if they so choose that can invest and deliver a return on their investment. CPP has worked great over the last number of years and their should be a choice if I so choose that I can up my CPP investment so that when I retire if CPP is all I get I can live above the poverty line. GWiz again you clearly know nothing about CPP if you think people are going to get rich off of it. If Liberals however want to make it a target (which I would not put above) I tell them to bring the fight on. I however expect just like every other NDP policy over the last 3 years the Liberals will steal and pretend they never heard about it before "they came up with the idea". Quote
GWiz Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 Yep you are right no CPP for anyone it is clearly to capitalist for you. Seriously though working Canadians need a place if they so choose that can invest and deliver a return on their investment. CPP has worked great over the last number of years and their should be a choice if I so choose that I can up my CPP investment so that when I retire if CPP is all I get I can live above the poverty line. GWiz again you clearly know nothing about CPP if you think people are going to get rich off of it. If Liberals however want to make it a target (which I would not put above) I tell them to bring the fight on. I however expect just like every other NDP policy over the last 3 years the Liberals will steal and pretend they never heard about it before "they came up with the idea". Sonny, don't go there, you've been warned... You're a selfish bastard aren't you? Throw older people under the bus so you can benefit, nice touch for an NDPer... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
GWiz Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 You are so right. The Liberals keep Harper in power for 2 years asking for nothing but the NDP have a price that price being help to Canadians. Ummm, fyi, that's called BLACKMAIL, which is illegal in Canada, I guess you're saying Jack Layton should be arrested... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
madmax Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 I don't have a problem with improving GIS payments for those with low incomes, Ontario should lift the HST on oil and hydro. How about we have the HST on OIL and HYDRO lifted across Canada... Or do you only point fingers at teh Ontario Liberals and not the Federal Conservatives who enjoy taxing Heating Oil and Hydro and brought in this extra tax with the GST and Mulroney then Reinforced it with the HST and Harper never once choosing to take it off Oil and hydro when in power, but not hesitating to implement it, and not hesitating to force the Ontario Liberals to follow their directives and add this tax to those items. Thats called HARMONIZATION Quote
madmax Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 Maybe the title of the article should say, 'NDP Doesn't Want To Lose Seats With Election' ? They have the most to potentially lose in an election of the major parties, fine by me, like most Canadians we don't want an election that changes nothing significantly in Parliament. That sentiment didn't stop the Conservatives from pulling the plug on their own government. Creating The most Unnecessary Election in Canadian History. Quote
PIK Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 That sentiment didn't stop the Conservatives from pulling the plug on their own government. Creating The most Unnecessary Election in Canadian History. Wrong, chretien called the most unnecessary election in canada, man you libs have short memories. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
madmax Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 harper in bed with the socialists? say it isn't so!...and now the conservatives are also in talks with the separatists Bloc too ...it's the feared coalition!!! LOL, Its not like Harper hasn't done the NDP/BQ dance before... 2004 Quote
madmax Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 Ah...so a coalition is bad only if it threatens the minority government. If it supports the minority government, so be it! Erm, a Coalition becomes the government. Thats why its called a Coalition Government. Quote
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