guyser Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 I'm under the impression that the status quo is giving light sentences. Consider that Karla Homolka was released after twelve years. Granted, it was a plea deal. I have a feeling it'd be very easy to find many example of absurdly lenient sentencing - I have personal examples I can share, as well. So you agree the Cops screwed up bad huh? Nothing to do with the lawyers nor the Judge in this instance. Quote
Saipan Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 So you agree the Cops screwed up bad huh? Nothing to do with the lawyers nor the Judge in this instance. The cops are giving lenient sentences? Maybe in Cuba. Quote
dre Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 LOL... Its Mr. Canada. Seriously, his points aren't that much different then your own. You waffled in those early threads. You both believe in it for Heinous Crimes, but then all the 'variables" and problems get in the way. Every individual has a different criteria. There is a reason why this is a dead issue in Canada. I am not certain why the Conservatives wanted it in the question format for the PM. All questions are submitted prior to the interview and only those approved are answered. Just saying that any individual could be radicalized into supporting the death penalty if something happened to their family. Just as there are some that I see change their opinion in a victim impact statement. There are some bizzare stories and life is stranger then fiction when it comes to the death Penalty. I don't see the trap door opening. Canadians will stick with the cell door closed. Which is good because reforming our criminal justice system to create systems and protections for DP cases when it will only apply to a tiny tiny percentage of cases would be act of outrageous waste and stupidity. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Bonam Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 While I certainly think it would be ideal if we could execute some of the most heinous criminals, the reality is that 1) the existence of a death penalty inevitably creates a chance for someone innocent to be executed and 2) the costs of the legal processes leading up to someone being executed would be far too high. The MAIN objective of the justice system, from my perspective, is to prevent dangerous criminals from re-offending. While escape from prisons is possible, it is very rare and unlikely. Thus, locking someone up for life serves that purpose almost entirely as well as executing them. I do think that we should have a life in prison sentence that actually means life in prison: you are in your cell until you die with no chance of parole. Quote
segnosaur Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 Re: The relatively light sentence given to Karla...So you agree the Cops screwed up bad huh? Nothing to do with the lawyers nor the Judge in this instance. The cops are giving lenient sentences? Maybe in Cuba. Actually, the cops may have been partly to blame for the sentence. The police executed a search warrant on the Bernardo home starting in February 1993. Despite having access to the house for many weeks, they were unable to recover the videos Bernardo had made that were stored above a light fixture. (That was done by his Lawyer in May 1993, the same month the plea agreement was made.) If the police were more through in their search, they would have found the tapes, and Karla would not have had the leverage to negotiate such a good deal. Apparently, a cop actually did search the light fixture, but just didn't stick his arm far enough into the hole. There were apparently other mistakes.... they could have used DNA to identify Bernardo earlier, and they may have messed up the questioning. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/06/16/f-bernardo-homolka-timeline.html Quote
guyser Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 (edited) The cops are giving lenient sentences? Maybe in Cuba. You'd have to know about how the sentence came about, which you obviously dont. The cops guarenteed a lenient sentence, so perhaps you do have a point.Pretty sure you dont know why but either way...... ETA Seg 's post is correct Edited January 27, 2011 by guyser Quote
Saipan Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 You'd have to know about how the sentence came about, which you obviously dont. The cops guarenteed a lenient sentence, so perhaps you do have a point.Pretty sure you dont know why but either way...... ETA Seg 's post is correct In police state. Quote
guyser Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 In police state. ,,,only stupid state Quote
Oleg Bach Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 People in favour of the death penalty are the same ones who have it in their character to murder...difference being - Proponents of the death penalty want to find a way to kill with out being caught..legally... It's a bad idea..anything to do with death is a bad idea...and those that want death in any form are bad - end of story. Quote
guyser Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 ..anything to do with death is a bad idea...and those that want death in any form are bad - end of story. Um.....what if I am an undertaker? Quote
Saipan Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 People in favour of the death penalty are the same ones who have it in their character to murder... Now you only need the evidence. Proponents of the death penalty want to find a way to kill with out being caught..legally... They only want to save innocent victims. And tons of money of those innocent victim's taxes. Quote
Guest TrueMetis Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 I specifically stated that I was talking about the most reprehensible criminals. You approve of people like Bernardo being eligible for parole after 25 years? Bear in mind, that many serious offences committed by repeat offenders are eligible for parole after less than 25 years. You're ok with that? I think people like Bernardo, at a minimum, should never be eligible for parole. I am perfectly fine with him having the chance to get out. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 I am perfectly fine with him having the chance to get out. You've lost a bunch of us with that comment. Quote Back to Basics
Wild Bill Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 You've lost a bunch of us with that comment. Big time, Keeps! TM should tell it to Kristen French or Leslie Mahafy. Better yet, he should tell it to her parents, face to face! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Bob Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 You've lost a bunch of us with that comment. Definitely. I really don't know how to reply to his statement. But does anything really need to be said beyond your reply? When digging deeper and getting to fundamentals with TrueMetis, he will typically reveal himself for the ideologue he is. Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
Shwa Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 I am perfectly fine with him having the chance to get out. *gasp!* How dare you consider that anyone is capable of rehabilitation and redemption! Oh, the humanity. Well, yes, indeed it is 'humanity' isn't it? Plus I noticed you said the word "chance" in keeping with the spirit of our laws. Quote
Saipan Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 *gasp!* How dare you consider that anyone is capable of rehabilitation and redemption! Oh, the humanity. Well, yes, indeed it is 'humanity' isn't it? Plus I noticed you said the word "chance" in keeping with the spirit of our laws. What chance do the victim's families have (never mind the victim's chance) not to work hard to pay for the criminal upkeep, including cable TV, gym etc.? Shouldn't that be the other way 'round. We are slowly entering upside down civilization. Quote
Shwa Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 What chance do the victim's families have (never mind the victim's chance) not to work hard to pay for the criminal upkeep, including cable TV, gym etc.? Shouldn't that be the other way 'round. We are slowly entering upside down civilization. *eek!* and "upside down civilization??" You mean, oh, gawd no, not like Australia! Oh, they don't have the death penalty either, so maybe it isn't so bad. Quote
Saipan Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 *eek!* and "upside down civilization??" You mean, oh, gawd no, not like Australia! Oh, they don't have the death penalty either, so maybe it isn't so bad. What that has to do with the victims being the slaves and paying for the criminals? Quote
Shwa Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 What that has to do with the victims being the slaves and paying for the criminals? Sounds like government to me! Isn't that how it always ends up? Especially in Australia! Quote
Saipan Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 Sounds like government to me! Isn't that how it always ends up? Especially in Australia! Yes, here too. Quote
PIK Posted January 28, 2011 Author Report Posted January 28, 2011 People in favour of the death penalty are the same ones who have it in their character to murder...difference being - Proponents of the death penalty want to find a way to kill with out being caught..legally... It's a bad idea..anything to do with death is a bad idea...and those that want death in any form are bad - end of story. I just relish the chance to put my hands around some peverted ,child molesting a -hole who has ruined some poor child life forever.If that make me a murder ,then I am all for it, now someone that feels differently about that, makes me wonder about that persons state of mind and why they want to protect people like that. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
The_Squid Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 I just relish the chance to put my hands around some peverted ,child molesting a -hole who has ruined some poor child life forever.If that make me a murder ,then I am all for it, now someone that feels differently about that, makes me wonder about that persons state of mind and why they want to protect people like that. And after you kill him, you find out it was the wrong person... like this child-killer... William Mullins-Johnson was convicted in the 1994 slaying of his four-year-old niece. He spent more than 12 years in prison for first-degree murder, partly on the now-questionable testimony of a discredited pathologist. However, Crown prosecutors called for the Sault Ste. Marie man's acquittal, which was granted by the Ontario Court of Appeal on Oct. 15, 2007. The Crown apologized in the Toronto courtroom for all the hardship caused. "I wish to extend our sincere, profound and deepest apology to Mr. Mullins-Johnson and to his family for the miscarriage of justice that occurred," lawyer Michal Fairburn said. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/08/06/f-wrongfully-convicted.html#ixzz1CM3DscXK Quote
Saipan Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 And after you kill him, you find out it was the wrong person... like this child-killer... Why kill him if you're not sure? Same as sending him to jail for 30 years. Quote
The_Squid Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 Why kill him if you're not sure? Same as sending him to jail for 30 years. They were sure.... absolutely positive.... found guilty of murdering and raping his little niece. The type of person everyone would like to see die... and some would be willing to kill themselves, apparently.... Then we find out later that he didn't do it. What would you say PIK "the Executioner" when you kill an innocent man? "ooops... Better luck next time"? Quote
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