Military to Apologize toe Mohawks (once again)

[DogOnPorch]

Maybe the sperm dealer should apologize to your mom.

[Shwa]

Maybe the sperm dealer should apologize to your mom.

Seriously dre, this sort of remark is really disappointing.

Now, had you said: "Maybe the sperm dealer should apologize to yo momma" you would have scored full points, but unfortunately I can only give you one laugh for this:

[Shwa]

Yep. just like the italian business men....they protect their turf territory land and crime families...

I hardly think that making a determination about a group of people based on the actions of a few is rationally worthwhile. Otherwise, the RCMP or Toronto police are 'like the mafia' since they have had members conduct illegal activities, drug smuggling, fraud, shootouts, etc.

Equating the Mohawk Warrior Society - or any other traditional Native warrior society - with the Mafia is a real leap. Sure there are Native street gangs where the comparison might be closer to the truth, but not here. Otherwise your logic is extended into applying to whole communities and that is just plain dumb.

[Saipan]

Mohawk Warrior needs war to be a warrior.

As the saying goes; Be careful what you wish for - you just may get it. And it's very late. The politically correct days are running out. And those who are actually PAYING for the mess are becoming warriors also.

[Argus]

It is not only inaccurate but demeaning and hurtful towards Mohawk people. T

It was completely accurate. The Warrior Society is a criminal organization which uses violence, both against natives and against broader society in order to get what they want.

No apology was needed, and the fact the government keeps making them only shows how far from conservatism they have strayed and how desperate they are to suck up to ethnics of any kind.

[Argus]

I do not agree. They are more like an ethnic crime syndicate than a terrorist group. Closer to the Hells Angels or the Mafia than terrorst scum bags.

The Hells Angels don't try to take over local government. The Mafia doesn't block roads and dare the government to do something about it.

[Argus]

What criminal behavior do you think they are engaged in? Or are you just taking your pet "Hyperbole" out for a stroll....?

Extortion, smuggling, prostitution, drug trafficking, arson, assault, murder. You name it, the Warrior Society has done it.

[Argus]

Maybe the Army should apologize to al-Qaeda and the Taliban while they're at it.

If Harper thought he could get some votes out of it they'd be on their knees begging forgiveness.

[Argus]

I hardly think that making a determination about a group of people based on the actions of a few is rationally worthwhile.

The police exist for a lawful purpose, despite a few bad apples. The Warrior Society is criminally oriented from top to bottom. It's entire existence is based on crime.

Some of you lefties are just pig ignorant of life's realities.

The Warriors disturbed many other Mohawks as well; indeed, a majority of Mohawks were strongly opposed to the Warrior’s new activities. Tensions were building in Akwesasne over the illegal activities, and a large "Anti" faction was trying to halt them. On Tuscarora and Akwesasne, the Warriors had long used violence to intimidate their own community and the outside police. By now, they were going too far: The band police had been frightened into non-action, kids were dropping out of school to work as smugglers, and the authority of traditional leaders and family heads was being flouted on a daily basis. In the face of the growing violence, the Antis took up arms and blockaded traffic to the casinos in April 1990. The Warriors came out to attack the Antis, and Akwesasne soon echoed with the sound of massive gunfights. Unfortunately for the Antis, a contest between assault rifles and hunting arms usually has a foregone conclusion. In four days, three men died and the last Antis on the reserve soon found themselves besieged. On the fifth day, five police forces stormed the reserve. Ironically, the Surete du Quebec arrested the remaining Antis on the basis of complaints laid by the Warriors.

The Long Fall of the Mohawk Warriors

Edited December 23, 2010 by Argus

[William Ashley]

The Hells Angels don't try to take over local government. The Mafia doesn't block roads and dare the government to do something about it.

[M.Dancer]

The Hells Angels don't try to take over local government.

Didn't the mafia try and do just that in Chicago?

The Mafia doesn't block roads and dare the government to do something about it.

True. The mafia are many things but fools they aren't.

[Shwa]

The police exist for a lawful purpose, despite a few bad apples. The Warrior Society is criminally oriented from top to bottom. It's entire existence is based on crime.

Nope, wrong again Argus.

Some of you lefties are just pig ignorant of life's realities.

Of course, all the pig ignorant lefties simply need to read 1996 articles from the MacKenzie Institute to develop their "realities." Blue skies and sunny days eh Argus?

Or did you completely miss the point in the OP. You did, didn't you? Here let me summarize:

More than five years after the Canadian army listed radical first nations along with various international terrorist organizations in a manual, the government is set to issue an apology, according to media reports.

The apology is due out in the new year, and officials are still working out the details of exactly when and how it will be delivered.

...

It was not immediately clear what prompted the Canadian Forces to agree, or how long the apology has been in the works.

[Shwa]

Extortion, smuggling, prostitution, drug trafficking, arson, assault, murder. You name it, the Warrior Society RCMP Toronto Metro Police has done it.

[Battletoads]

So they are sorry they rightly labled a terrorist group as a terrorist group.

Grow a fucking spine for christ's sakes.

[eyeball]

So they are sorry they rightly labled a terrorist group as a terrorist group.

Grow a fucking spine for christ's sakes.

No kidding, the least they could do is acknowledge that terrorism often really is just another term for resistance or freedom fighting.

[William Ashley]

No kidding, the least they could do is acknowledge that terrorism often really is just another term for resistance or freedom fighting.

Looks like it may have just been a swap up on groups

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/911966--al-qaeda-in-the-arabian-peninsula-listed-terrorist-organization-ottawa

Edited December 24, 2010 by William Ashley

[bloodyminded]

No kidding, the least they could do is acknowledge that terrorism often really is just another term for resistance or freedom fighting.

But never for official international policy.

And the mainstream liberal intellectuals dare not go down that road either, being rather weak; see Ignatieff, Thomas Friedman, Salman Rushdie, and Christopher Hitchens in his reborn guise as cheerleader. (As for conservative intellectuals, forget it.)

I mention this since the words "spineless" and "cowards" were brought up.

[charter.rights]

The Mohawk Warrior Society is a ghost and doesn't exist.

"Mohawk journalist Kenneth Deer said the Warrior Society is "like a militia" and never intended to overthrow the Canadian government.

"There's no membership to the Warrior Society," said Deer, founding editor of the Eastern Door newspaper who has worked with the United Nations on indigenous affairs. "It's just a name. It's just a way to organize men when there's something to be done."

The word warrior doesn't even exist in Mohawk, he said, but translated loosely, it means "the duties of the men to carry the peace."

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2010/12/20/mohawk-military-apology.html#ixzz1928z0qDc

But the real issue and very likely the best reason for the apology is found in the academic discussions now taking place mainstream universities and think tanks is the identification , or really the mis-identification of aboriginal people by the mainstream as one of the source reasons for FN inability to advance. In many cases the misuse of these types of terms or others such as drunks, the poor or (I love this one) people stuck in the "stone-age", are stereotypes which FN often sub-consciously adopt. This creates an self-identified archetype.

Yet in reality our mainstream society statistically harbours more dysfunction and criminal intent than First Nations, FN find themsleves in high numbers in prisons not because they are more guilty, or more dangerous, but because the courts often fall into the same stereotypes and see prisons as a means for them to straighten themselves out (yet we know statistically how that works out most the time.) and join the mainstream.

So the apology isn't about dismissing any criminal elements that exist within FN, but to reject the mis-identification and the generalization of Mohawk people as being "smugglers, thieves, violent or militants" when the exact opposite is true. Mohawk culture is based on peaceful co-existence with all people and all things and that gets mis-represented by false historical texts and the kind of mass hysteria we see evolving just over this story. The Mohawk Warrior Society does not exist (and has not as an organization for about 30-40 years). It is a ghost as I said earlier and everyone is acting like little children crying about that monster under their bed.

Edited December 24, 2010 by charter.rights

[Shwa]

But never for official international policy.

And the mainstream liberal intellectuals dare not go down that road either, being rather weak; see Ignatieff, Thomas Friedman, Salman Rushdie, and Christopher Hitchens in his reborn guise as cheerleader. (As for conservative intellectuals, forget it.)

I mention this since the words "spineless" and "cowards" were brought up.

Gotta clean up the domestic policy glossary first I suppose. You know, setting off bombs and murdering people at will isn't terror when it's in Montreal, but God forbid people stand up and throw squatters off their land. Where are the Black Donnellys when you need 'em?

[Argus]

No kidding, the least they could do is acknowledge that terrorism often really is just another term for resistance or freedom fighting.

I wasn't aware that Canadian natives were struggling under the oppressive weight of the cruel Canadian military. Maybe you could list some of the horrific human rights abuses they've suffered in the last few decades?

[Argus]

Interesting to read the comments of this idiotic, spineless apology in the Post.

Military to apologize to terrorists

[Argus]

Of course, all the pig ignorant lefties simply need to read 1996 articles from the MacKenzie Institute to develop their "realities." Blue skies and sunny days eh Argus?

And what HAVE you read, Shwa? What information do you base your opinions on? Wait. They're BROWN PEOPLE! Therefore, as all good little PC lefties know, brown people can do no wrong. And if they do, it's only because they were provoked by the evil white power base!

Brown people, you see, are never responsible for their actions. They're like little children. It's always someone else's fault. Someone white.

[Argus]

The word warrior doesn't even exist in Mohawk, he said, but translated loosely, it means "the duties of the men to carry the peace."

Riiiight. Okay, Mr. Goebbels. Everyone knows how peaceful the Mohawks have always been. Why, they were like children playing amongst the daisies before the white man came! Never even picked up a knife! Didn't even have the concept of fighting or war! Never killed and ate any of the neighboring tribes at all! :lol:

Edited December 24, 2010 by Argus

[charter.rights]

Interesting to read the comments of this idiotic, spineless apology in the Post.

Military to apologize to terrorists

Right! It demonstrates the extent of racism ingrained in a cross section of Canadians. What name did you post under on that NP comments section?

Edited December 24, 2010 by charter.rights

[Saipan]

Right! It demonstrates the extent of racism ingrained in a cross section of Canadians.

Inocently camouflaged by words like "level playing field", "affirmative action" etc. Racism nevertheless.