BQ will be real winner in election

[BQSupporter]

It is now clear that the BQ will hold the balance of power in the next parliament. With the swing in support for the BQ and the decline of the Liberal vote to only the non-French areas of Montreal and western Quebec, I expect the BQ to win 55 or more ridings in the election on June 28th.

The support of the Conservative party in the rest of Canada will assure them a strong position in the next parliament and may even put them into government, with the help of the BQ. AS an outsider looking at the race in English Canada, I can say that I am very surprise of the way the Conservative campaign and Harper have run in this election and I think they will do very well, more then anyone would have expected. Major inroads into Ontario can be expected. I would not be surprise, if there vote in Quebec to 20% which is not a very outside possibility.

The NDP vote percentage will go up, but I do not see that translating into seats. The highest I think they will go is 25. The reason for this is that there voters are not committed to the party and will likely vote for the Liberals out of fear of the Conservatives. I predict this will not work, those who vote out of fear mostly will get what they did not want. All you have to look at for this type of scenario is the 1999 Ontario election, which NDP benefit the Conservatives by decreasing the NDP vote in the cities were most NDP support is.

There will be no inroads for the NDP into Quebec, because the party as always been perceived as anti-Quebec rights and more likely to take power away from Quebec to give to Ottawa. The NDP vote in Quebec is only concentrated in Liberal ridings on the Island of Montreal and non-French areas of Quebec. Places were only the Liberals can win. Also there will never be any type of arraignment between the BQ and the NDP, the parties are very different. The NDP wants to expand the power of Ottawa in Quebec, while the BQ wants to get rid of it. This is the central and main differences between the too. Also the BQ will never actively work with or form a coalition with the Liberals. That will never happen. To say it would is fantasy clear and simple. The BQ hates the Liberals Dion, Charest, and Lapierre and the things they have down to Quebec, especially after the sponsorship scandal.

The only party that the BQ can support from the outside is the Conservatives party; they are the most likely to support the rights of Quebec and to give more power and authority to Quebec more then any other party, if an agreement can be made. The BQ holding the balance of power will check the Conservatives when its concerns social problems such as abortions and gay marriage etec, but beyond the BQ can work with the Conservatives to reform the countries government, give more rights and authority to the provinces and get down to the truth in the Sponsorship scandal and finally find out what the Liberals have been going with Quebec’s money and for the last 11 years.

I look forward to it.

[Slavik44]

it is true the party that holds the balance of power will be the BQ, no doubt about it. Now how well that works we will see. Of course it could keep the conservatives moderate, and put to rest the fears of the left.

[caesar]

I am confident; that it will be the NDP holding a balance of power. Canadians would not like to see our Health Care furthur disintegrated. Canadians would not want to see Canada become America's "yes" country.

The Liberals for all their faults ( I do know that there has been many) are still our only viable choice. Joe Clark had it right. Better, the devil we know. There is too much about Harper's agenda; that remains hidden. If people knew; they would not support him; otherwise he would be more open.

Harper wants to down load more responsibilities to the Provinces. We know how that goes. Any program that is too costly to administer; hand it down to the next lower government with generous transfer payments; then slowly cut the amount of the transfer payment.

Important national programs; such as the Health Ministry; should be administered by the federal government and allow all Canadians equal access to the Health Care that we DO all pay for.

Every time, we change a government; we pay generous severance pay and pensions. Patronage positions are changed with the outgoing appointee being given generous buy out severance packages. Then they appoint some other person to the position with the only important qualification on his resume is his past favours or position in the governing party.

[BQSupporter]

You are wrong it will be the BQ that will hold the balance of power. The NDP will not win no more then 25 seats. While the BQ will win 55 or more seats. Those are the facts.

[Michael Hardner]

The NDP will not win no more then 25 seats. While the BQ will win 55 or more seats. Those are the facts.

A future event can't be a 'fact' by definition.

From these and other posts, I'm starting to understand why the BQ would support the CPC. But will the CPC party and Canadians in general be satisfied with a coalition (however loose) with the Bloc ?

Harper's image is built on integrity. How quickly would that crumble if he started doling out more money and power to Quebec ?

[caesar]

It doesn't depend on who wins the most seats between the NDP and the Bloc. It will be which combination is the largest. It seems the Conservatives will tie up with the Bloc. The Liberals would go with the NDP. The NDP would be a much better choice for anyone outside of Quebec. The Liberals would be the choice of those who wish to protect our Health Care system and our independence from the USA.

[BQSupporter]

Why would people in English Canada have a problem of the BQ having a voice in the government? Are we in Quebec not Citizen of Canada? Why would are voice being heard in a government be a probem?

[Stoker]

caesar, explain to this poor uneducated western redneck, how the NDP would hold the balence of power if the seat projections are going to look something like this:

Tories: 120

Grits: 108

Bloc: 55

NDP: 25

Now please, I don't fathom how "25" NDP seats are more important then "55" Bloc seats? please explain.

[Stoker]

Why would people in English Canada have a problem of the BQ having a voice in the government? Are we in Quebec not Citizen of Canada? Why would are voice being heard in a government be a probem?

I've no problem with having people from Quebec in government (be they Tories), I just don't agree with a party that wants to split up the country and will use that threat as a form of extortion.

[Slavik44]

I am confident; that it will be the NDP holding a balance of power. Canadians would not like to see our Health Care furthur disintegrated. Canadians would not want to see Canada become America's "yes" country.

The Liberals for all their faults ( I do know that there has been many) are still our only viable choice. Joe Clark had it right. Better, the devil we know. There is too much about Harper's agenda; that remains hidden. If people knew; they would not support him; otherwise he would be more open.

Harper wants to down load more responsibilities to the Provinces. We know how that goes. Any program that is too costly to administer; hand it down to the next lower government with generous transfer payments; then slowly cut the amount of the transfer payment.

Important national programs; such as the Health Ministry; should be administered by the federal government and allow all Canadians equal access to the Health Care that we DO all pay for.

Every time, we change a government; we pay generous severance pay and pensions. Patronage positions are changed with the outgoing appointee being given generous buy out severance packages. Then they appoint some other person to the position with the only important qualification on his resume is his past favours or position in the governing party.

Sorry i can't help but notice how hipocritcal you are.

You lecture me in one post about how you must face the facts, and think about what you post. but you refuse to face the fact that the NDP, as of now, will not get enough seets to hold the balance of power. Infact even if the NDP got 50 seats the majority of them would most likely come from the liberals, meanign it would still be hard to see the NDP and the Liberals, as of now, forming a majority coalition.

[BQSupporter]

The BQ will always protect the rights of Quebec against the Liberals and the NDP and if there was to be an agreement against the Tories as well. It would be in the interest of the Tories to work with the BQ to at least get to the bottom of the Sponsorship scandel. We in the BQ believe there is alot more to be reveal in that scandel that will implicate Liberal Ministers and M.P's from Quebec taking part in the stealing of the money and the mass frued they tryed to commite against French people. It would be in both are interst BQ and the Tories to get to the bottom of that scandel. That is one of the main reason I a riding vice chairmen for the BQ support a possible Tory/BQ relationship.

[maplesyrup]

Actually the Bloc want Harper to do well because they feel this will give them their best shot at independence.

[BQSupporter]

Maple that is a lie, please speak about things you know and not about what you don't. I have read some of your past post on this website and you seem to promote lies about the BQ. Stop.

[takeanumber]

Actually the Bloc want Harper to do well because they feel this will give them their best shot at independence.

That's a neat statement.

I actually need to think about that.

For insight into Calgary Consevative thought on Quebec seperation, read Russell in that Clarity act book, I can't remember the name....ah, "The Quebec Decision, Perspectives on the Clarity Act", that really epitomizes the position, and has neat implications for the ROC.

[maplesyrup]

Why do you feel so threated by that statement?

What is the Bloc's objective?

Think about it.

[BQSupporter]

That is the BQ goal, but it will not happen with the government in Quebec City. That BQ will work with Harper and the Tories b/c they are the only party that would respect the rights of Quebec and give it the authority it deserves and get down to the scandels that have happen in the last 11 years and finally return the money that ottawa as stolen from the people of Quebec. Those are the reason the BQ could work with the Tories and that is why the Liberals are so scared of losing power.

[Stoker]

BQSupporter, I agree with you 110% that Canadians deserve justice with regards to the sponsorship scandel, there sit in total agreement.

I can also understand any Province (Quebec included) wanting to have more control over such things as education, healthcare etc......I do truely believe that certain needs/services will/would be different in Quebec to say British Columbia, and because of that, people in Quebec or BC know whats best for themselves, so I fail to see why the provinces shouldn't have total control in some areas.....Let the people of Quebec, BC, and the rest of the other provinces run their own house to larger extent... This is where I think that not only the Federal Conservatives and Quebec can come into agreement, but the other 9 Provinces as well.

With that said, I'm 100% opposed to Quebec separation.

Not only do i think that talk of separation hurts the country, but it also hurts Quebec.......Who in their right mind would want to invest in a unstable Country and namely that countries unstable province? Let's lose the separation talk, but at the same time, let's give the Canadian provinces (which Quebec is very much a part) more power to run their own day to day needs.

[BQSupporter]

Stroker, It is not the BQ that is talking about separation in this election. Only the Liberals have been talking about it and the foolish statement of Layton to carry favor with Quebec. For the BQ this election is about the Liberals and the way they have disrepected Quebec and made fools of its people. Its about 100 million dollers to try to trick us and made us seem like children, just to support there Liberal friends, that is what this election is about. Separation can be talked about later.

[takeanumber]

Why do you feel so threated by that statement?

I'm not.

I just need to think about it.

I know the BQ wants to seperate.

But do the Cons think Canada would be best without Quebec?

Because you know, many cons generally believe that Quebec is holding Canada as a country back.

I know it might sound shocking, but many Cons don't think they really need Quebec. As one (cons) peer put it, "One less mouth to feed".

I'm not entirely convinced of that logic.

But maybe the Con elite would like to engage in that?

[BQSupporter]

I think he was talking to me takeanumber.

[takeanumber]

Oh, sorry. lol.

But what do you think of my musings on the Conservative front?

[BQSupporter]

Maybe some western tories are of two minds about seperation, but I think that is that fault of the Liberals Quebec as suffered as much under the Liberals as the Western province. I feel we have a big thing in common with those from the West, we both want our freedom from the Liberals in Ottawa.

[Stoker]

Maybe some western tories are of two minds about seperation, but I think that is that fault of the Liberals Quebec as suffered as much under the Liberals as the Western province. I feel we have a big thing in common with those from the West, we both want our freedom from the Liberals in Ottawa.

Like I already said, I too would like more freedom given to my province......With that said, the Bloc won't solve the problems that face Quebec, just like the Reform Party was not able to solve the problems that the west faced.

In the end, running away from your problems (separation) won't solve your problems, whether you're BQ or reform. IMHO, the best way to solve "beefs" with Ottawa are to work to change it from the inside, which Harper will work to do.

[August1991]

Stroker, It is not the BQ that is talking about separation in this election.

To say that the BQ does not favour the sovereignty of Quebec is absurd. True, Duceppe has stated that this election is not a referendum.

I know it might sound shocking, but many Cons don't think they really need Quebec. As one (cons) peer put it, "One less mouth to feed".

That view is more common in Western Canada. It is much less common in Ontario or the Maritimes. I think this explains in part the reticence of many in Eastern Canada to leave the Liberal fold.

I feel we have a big thing in common with those from the West, we both want our freedom from the Liberals in Ottawa.

That remark is disingenuous BQS and you know it.

[caesar]

Fraud against the Quebec people????? Why do we have to keep bribing the French in Quebec. If there was any money being misspent; it was money that belong to ALL Canadians. I don't know what French Quebecer have to whine about. We all have to pay the bills to accomodate them throughout this country; they do not show us the same respect in Quebec when they do not allow English signs.