Airport Security is failing

[bush_cheney2004]

You think a pilot with a permitted firearm needs to be patted down for nail clippers or his bag checked for a bottle of shampoo that is too large?

Hell yes....Rambo pilots might also have a bazooka in their pants.

[Wilber]

Hell yes....Rambo pilots might also have a bazooka in their pants.

In their dreams.

[bush_cheney2004]

In their dreams.

Seriously, I think flight crew and ground operations employees are higher risks just like any other industry where there have been massive layoffs, cuts in benefits, longer hours, consolidations (My area just watch Northwest disappear before our eyes), etc. It just sucks...my neighbour was a NWA engine mechanic...he committed suicide after losing his job, wife, and kids. I think they buried him with his tools.

I stopped flying unless absolutely necessary long before 9/11/01, because what use to be a premium travel experience has turned into a glorified bus ride without peanuts.

[Wilber]

Seriously, I think flight crew and ground operations employees are higher risks just like any other industry where there have been massive layoffs, cuts in benefits, longer hours, consolidations (My area just watch Northwest disappear before our eyes), etc. It just sucks...my neighbour was a NWA engine mechanic...he committed suicide after losing his job, wife, and kids. I think they buried him with his tools.

I stopped flying unless absolutely necessary long before 9/11/01, because what use to be a premium travel experience has turned into a glorified bus ride without peanuts.

Sorry to hear that but for the life of me I don't know what overzealous airport screening can do about it except perhaps further aggravate people who are already under a good deal of stress.

[Oleg Bach]

The is utterly no security when a stanger can grab your balls.

[guyser]

The is utterly no security when a stanger can grab your balls.

Just enjoyment if she is cute enough.

[waldo]

The is utterly no security when a stranger can grab your balls.

like this!

[GostHacked]

If anyone else but you doctor can touch your junk, that is considered assault plain and simple. This is all secrity theater which offers no security.

Like the poor woman who even showed the TSA official the official rules, they still treated her like a criminal. Breast milk is exempt from the x-ray machines, and yet they said X-ray it or ditch it.

Low paid idiots who could not get a real job anywhere else (probably got fired from White Castle or some garbage place like that) are in charge of screening you. They don't have the ability to flip a burger, but they have complete control over how you travel and how you are inspected..... f*cking sad.

They are concerned about security and not sanity, how many people are getting infections from the floors as people walk through without their shoes? How many balls do they need to touch before changing their gloves?

It's a serious issue indeed. Opt out of it alltogether and drive.

[guyser]

Like the poor woman who even showed the TSA official the official rules, they still treated her like a criminal. Breast milk is exempt from the x-ray machines, and yet they said X-ray it or ditch it.

That was particularly hard to watch. One just knows those fat and dumb agents where just trying to F her over .

Even worse was the cop telling her to dump it, x ray it or I arrest you. Good lord not a single thinking brain cell in the lot of them.

But hey....theres a train leaving in 20 minutes.

Until and not a moment sooner, when the airlines go screaming to Washington, and broke, will things change

Edited December 2, 2010 by guyser

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we have planes...

[Jack Weber]

we have planes...

We do not accept your sham description of the flying vehicles seen at most airports!!!

[jbg]

we have planes...

We do not accept your sham description of the flying vehicles seen at most airports!!!

Pity him. The guy has problems more serious than we can help with.

[jbg]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/05/19/eveningnews/main6500349.shtml

Not one charge for terrorism. But there have been charges for drugs and other stuff.

Money well wasted.

I believe most airport and building security is expensive, bad theatre.

[jbg]

Like the poor woman who even showed the TSA official the official rules, they still treated her like a criminal. Breast milk is exempt from the x-ray machines, and yet they said X-ray it or ditch it.

Or the way Helen Guergis treated airport security in Charlottetown?

[GostHacked]

Or the way Helen Guergis treated airport security in Charlottetown?

Nice try JBG. But this is about the TSA in the USA. Yes some passengers can be idiots. We all deal with them in our work places. But it is how we deal with it that will get specific results.

Asking the mother to x-ray the breast milk, even though the breast milk is exempt from x-ray (it is considered a medical liquid) .... making her wait an hour or so in a glass cage, eventually missing her flight. She knew the rules, and it seems like the idiots punished her for it. What kind of Lawyer are you JBG? Does this not violate her rights? Others scream that the 4th Amendment is grossly violated with these invasive screenings.

Now because of the resistance to the scanners and pat downs, the TSA will want to bring in other measures, I am sure of it .. what finger printing and iris scans ??? Would that make you feel safer??

[jbg]

Nice try JBG. But this is about the TSA in the USA. Yes some passengers can be idiots. We all deal with them in our work places. But it is how we deal with it that will get specific results.

I was making a sarcastic quip.

Asking the mother to x-ray the breast milk, even though the breast milk is exempt from x-ray (it is considered a medical liquid) .... making her wait an hour or so in a glass cage, eventually missing her flight. She knew the rules, and it seems like the idiots punished her for it. What kind of Lawyer are you JBG? Does this not violate her rights? Others scream that the 4th Amendment is grossly violated with these invasive screenings.

Now because of the resistance to the scanners and pat downs, the TSA will want to bring in other measures, I am sure of it .. what finger printing and iris scans ??? Would that make you feel safer??

I have expressed my view that almost all airport security is theatre. I'd almost prefer going back to the day when people went straight from the curb onto the plane, and profiled people and behavior, not searched for objects.

[jbg]

we have planes...

I now realize the genesis of that remark. That was the remark passed from one group of 911 hijackers to another. That is sick.

[Wilber]

A friend emailed this to me. Thought it was kind of cute.

HOW TO SAVE THE AIRLINES

Dump the male flight attendants. No one wanted them in the first place.

Replace all the female flight attendants with good-looking strippers! What the hell, they don't even serve food anymore, so what's the loss?

The strippers would at least triple the alcohol sales and get a 'party atmosphere' going in the cabin. And, of course, every businessman in this country would start flying again, hoping to see naked women.

Because of the tips, female flight attendants wouldn't need a salary, thus saving even more money. I suspect tips would be so good that we could charge the women for working the plane and have them kick back 20% of the tips, including lap dances and 'special services.'

Muslims would be afraid to get on the planes for fear of seeing naked women. Hijackings would come to a screeching halt, and the airline industry would see record revenues.

This is definitely a win-win situation if we handle it right -- a golden opportunity to turn a liability into an asset.

Why didn't Obama think of this? Why do I still have to do everything myself?

Sincerely,

Bill Clinton

[GostHacked]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/12/10/ap-enterprise-faa-loses-track-planes/

NEW YORK – The Federal Aviation Administration is missing key information on who owns one-third of the 357,000 private and commercial aircraft in the U.S. — a gap the agency fears could be exploited by terrorists and drug traffickers.

The records are in such disarray that the FAA says it is worried that criminals could buy planes without the government's knowledge, or use the registration numbers of other aircraft to evade new computer systems designed to track suspicious flights. It has ordered all aircraft owners to re-register their planes in an effort to clean up its files.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/12/10/ap-enterprise-faa-loses-track-planes/#ixzz17igi5oId

One third of the planes cannot be tracked, and yet we have such invasive security at the airport. Something ain't right here.

Someone needs to be fired.

[bush_cheney2004]

One third of the planes cannot be tracked, and yet we have such invasive security at the airport. Something ain't right here.

Someone needs to be fired.

Airplanes don't kill people...people kill people.

[GostHacked]

Airplanes don't kill people...people kill people.

Correct. But the FAA is missing records on 1/3 of the private and public aircraft in the USA. Major failure. These planes can be used to ferry terrorists and illegal drugs in and out of the USA. The government can touch your balls, but can't account for the plane that you flew in on. Obviously there is a problem.

Would not want these planes to fall into terrorist hands now do we? It will be like 9/11 times a thousand. or a hundred thousand ....

[bush_cheney2004]

Correct. But the FAA is missing records on 1/3 of the private and public aircraft in the USA. Major failure. These planes can be used to ferry terrorists and illegal drugs in and out of the USA. The government can touch your balls, but can't account for the plane that you flew in on. Obviously there is a problem.

The same can be done with motor vehicles or watercraft...I am not concerned about that. However, thunder nuts in someone's underwear is an immediate, demonstrated threat.

Would not want these planes to fall into terrorist hands now do we? It will be like 9/11 times a thousand. or a hundred thousand ....

A 16 year-old kid suicide crashed such a plane into a Florida building soon after 9/11....ownership and certification was not the problem.

[Oleg Bach]

like this!

No way am I going to get gropped by pressing the link ------------My point as far as the failing of Airport security is in the fact that people do not feel very secure and there is no security of person when the body is up for grabs...This paniced measure simply assists the terrorists in making us MORE insecure. The authorities are more interested in handing out contracts to their friends for expensive over priced gadgets that do not secure anything - or underpaid and uneducated dopes that grope you - because they are to stupid to understand what civil and human rights are...the only people getting security are those that are stealing from us through are fear and making big bucks that will make THEM real secure - in their old age.

[GostHacked]

The same can be done with motor vehicles or watercraft...I am not concerned about that. However, thunder nuts in someone's underwear is an immediate, demonstrated threat.

True, but planes make the most impact . Again, every passenger flying in the US is accounted for. But the FAA cannot track account for 1/3 of the planes it is supposed to monitor? That is nothing but failure. which means the TSA scanners and pat downs are nothing more than security theater, and does not solve or even address any issue.

First it was foreigners that were the problem. Now it seems the average American is the problem.

A 16 year-old kid suicide crashed such a plane into a Florida building soon after 9/11....ownership and certification was not the problem.

True, but not being able to account for 1/3 of anything out there is such a massive failure it is open for abuse. I guess the CIA needs more planes to run drugs.