Airport Security is failing

[GostHacked]

Yes, if only to beat a court challenge for profiling or discrimination.

So this tells me that all Americans are targeted and not terrorists.

[bush_cheney2004]

So this tells me that all Americans are targeted and not terrorists.

Yep...that's how the math models work out. The TSA uses methods that enhance the probability of detecting a threat from any passenger. It's not just about Ahmed with a butt bomb.

[GostHacked]

Yep...that's how the math models work out. The TSA uses methods that enhance the probability of detecting a threat from any passenger. It's not just about Ahmed with a butt bomb.

So when did the US become the Soviets?? Remember guilty until proven innocent?

[bush_cheney2004]

So when did the US become the Soviets?? Remember guilty until proven innocent?

Whenever it needed to....see Revolutionary War, WWI, WW2, Red Scare, Vietnam War, GWI, etc. I don't know why some people persist in believing that such an ideal has ever existed.

[GostHacked]

Whenever it needed to....see Revolutionary War, WWI, WW2, Red Scare, Vietnam War, GWI, etc. I don't know why some people persist in believing that such an ideal has ever existed.

Land of the Free eh? Fighting for Freedom eh?

[guyser]

The TSA uses methods that enhance the probability of detecting a threat from any passenger.

TSA is not that smart.

But if ya wants access.....

[GostHacked]

TSA is not that smart.

But if ya wants access.....

Seeing some of the videos with the TSA personnel, they really don't seem that smart. If I was to ever go through one of these body scanners (i'll opt out when I can) ... I'll make sure I have a raging erection for them to check out. I mean they don't save any of the images right??

[msj]

New TSA procedure?

Osama chuckles.

[GostHacked]

Ahh I forgot about this bit.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2010/01/02/group_slams_chertoff_on_scanner_promotion/

WASHINGTON - Since the attempted bombing of a US airliner on Christmas Day, former Homeland Security secretary Michael Chertoff has given dozens of media interviews touting the need for the federal government to buy more full-body scanners for airports.

What he has made little mention of is that the Chertoff Group, his security consulting agency, includes a client that manufactures the machines. Chertoff disclosed the relationship on a CNN program Wednesday, in response to a question.

An airport passengers’ rights group on Thursday criticized Chertoff’s use of his former government credentials to advocate for a product that benefits his clients.

“Mr. Chertoff should not be allowed to abuse the trust the public has placed in him as a former public servant to privately gain from the sale of full-body scanners under the pretense that the scanners would have detected this particular type of explosive,’’ said Kate Hanni, founder of FlyersRights.org, which opposes the use of the scanners.

BC_04 is right, money trumps it all. And when someone is about to make a lot of cash, peoples rights and dignity are left at the wayside. But this is all to protect us right?

[guyser]

Seeing some of the videos with the TSA personnel, they really don't seem that smart.

Neither are their bosses.

If I was to ever go through one of these body scanners (i'll opt out when I can) ... I'll make sure I have a raging erection for them to check out. I mean they don't save any of the images right??

Its an Xray scanner, not a magnifying glass.They'll never see it. Sheesh......

[GostHacked]

Neither are their bosses.

Its an Xray scanner, not a magnifying glass.They'll never see it. Sheesh......

LOL, I was expecting this kind of response.

[Shady]

So when did the US become the Soviets?? Remember guilty until proven innocent?

Unfortunately, it's the entire west. We're afraid of offending people by acknowledging certain obvious realites. So instead we waste everybody's time in an exercise of inefficiency and ignorance.

[GostHacked]

Unfortunately, it's the entire west. We're afraid of offending people by acknowledging certain obvious realites. So instead we waste everybody's time in an exercise of inefficiency and ignorance.

So what are these security measures supposed to do? Since profiling is not done, and everyone gets the pat down, does that make you feel safe? It seems that it would make everybody a suspect, which creates the atmosphere in which we are all suspicious of each other.

[Shady]

So what are these security measures supposed to do? Since profiling is not done, and everyone gets the pat down, does that make you feel safe? It seems that it would make everybody a suspect, which creates the atmosphere in which we are all suspicious of each other.

I agree, it's a bad system. I'm not advocating racial profiling. But I would advocate some type of trend analysis. That takes into consideration origin of country, age, sex, whether a ticket is purchased with cash, whether a ticket is one-way, etc.

[Jack Weber]

Land of the Free eh? Fighting for Freedom eh?

Land of the suspension of the Writ of Habeus Corpus!!!!

[Jack Weber]

So what are these security measures supposed to do? Since profiling is not done, and everyone gets the pat down, does that make you feel safe? It seems that it would make everybody a suspect, which creates the atmosphere in which we are all suspicious of each other.

Basically,they are a feel good excercise to put peoples mind at ease...

Did I just equate an intrusive "pat down" with a "feel good excercise"?

And to your last statement,you're right and it's unnecessary....I'm loathe to agree with The Professor,however,it's not crazed Catholic nuns or wacko Presbyterians that are threatening to blow up airports...

[guyser]

It only gets better.

Opt out and you can be investigated for disrupting security. Bunch of ass hats.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/30286

[Jack Weber]

It only gets better.

Opt out and you can be investigated for disrupting security. Bunch of ass hats.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/30286

I'm surprised the Canadaian Free Press,a sell out web site if there ever was one,is'nt championing this move?

[GostHacked]

Jack Weber and Guyser.

Kind of scary ain't it? I think it is starting to bleed over into Canada. I suspect to see the body scanners in Canada's major hubs within the next couple years. If they are not already being used.

[guyser]

Jack Weber and Guyser.

Kind of scary ain't it? I think it is starting to bleed over into Canada.

Almost Everything does eventually.

Hopefully (as if) our guys clear their head and think of a proper way to cover security.They have a great template available, just look south and say "thats how NOT to do it" and start from there

[Wilber]

Yes, if only to beat a court challenge for profiling or discrimination.

Interesting how it is a violation of rights to be profiled yet the right not to be groped is expendable. Anything is acceptable as long we treat everyone equally badly. The western mind is indeed interesting.

[GostHacked]

Interesting how it is a violation of rights to be profiled yet the right not to be groped is expendable. Anything is acceptable as long we treat everyone equally badly. The western mind is indeed interesting.

I think that western mind mentality is more for the ones who want to stay in power and benefit from keeping everyone in fear, because it justifies their roles in keeping us in fear while at the same time trying to give us solutions that should alleviate the fear.

[guyser]

Interesting how it is a violation of rights to be profiled yet the right not to be groped is expendable.

Curious, what right has been violated?

[GostHacked]

Curious, what right has been violated?

From what some say.. the 4th Amendment is being violated by having them do these invasive pat downs.

[guyser]

From what some say.. the 4th Amendment is being violated by having them do these invasive pat downs.

Ive heard that too , however there is a clause with respect to the 4th and it gives an exception to border entries, ports and the like.

Think of impaired road checks, no reasonable suspicion is needed to stop you there and courts in both countries have upheld this aspect.

Loyala Univ law professor wrote a report and he basically said that TSA could not have started this without reassurance that they are not in violation.

Dont touch my junk is the new tag line.