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Best exchange ever.


Coons said that creationism, which he considers “a religious doctrine,” should not be taught in public schools due to the Constitution’s First Amendment. He argued that it explicitly enumerates the separation of church and state.

“The First Amendment does?” O’Donnell asked. “Let me just clarify: You’re telling me that the separation of church and state is found in the First Amendment?”

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,” Coons responded, reciting from memory the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

“That’s in the First Amendment…?” O’Donnell responded.


Hahahahaha Awesome she does not even even know the First Amendment.
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Great interview with Alvin Greene last night. Not sure if anyone else caught it. It's must see TV!

He seems a little ... slow?

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“The First Amendment does?” O’Donnell asked. “Let me just clarify: You’re telling me that the separation of church and state is found in the First Amendment?”

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,” Coons responded, reciting from memory the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

“That’s in the First Amendment…?” O’Donnell responded.

:lol: That's awesome.

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Coons said that creationism, which he considers “a religious doctrine,” should not be taught in public schools due to the Constitution’s First Amendment. He argued that it explicitly enumerates the separation of church and state.

“The First Amendment does?” O’Donnell asked. “Let me just clarify: You’re telling me that the separation of church and state is found in the First Amendment?”

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,” Coons responded, reciting from memory the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

“That’s in the First Amendment…?” O’Donnell responded.

I don't believe Coons is correct.

Separation of Church and State is different than "Congress shall make no law regarding an establishment of religion." Isn't a law banning the teaching of Creationism a law regarding an establishment of religion? By what circumventing reasoning should they make that law? The next part of the amendment guarantees individuals freedom of expression of religion. So if a Christian or Muslim teacher wishes to express his religion in class he should be allowed to. The fact of the matter is that there should be no Federal Department of Education. Then the individual States would have to make their own rulings, perhaps.

I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.

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Actually, poor old Alvin Green illustrates the kind of face-to-face mocking, and contemptuous treatment the media give candidates, even one of their own. Imagine if he were a Republican!!!

Whatever you say, Greene won a spot on the ballot honestly, so far as anyone can tell. Why should he have to face down such ridicule?

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I don't believe Coons is correct.

Separation of Church and State is different than "Congress shall make no law regarding an establishment of religion." Isn't a law banning the teaching of Creationism a law regarding an establishment of religion? By what circumventing reasoning should they make that law? The next part of the amendment guarantees individuals freedom of expression of religion. So if a Christian or Muslim teacher wishes to express his religion in class he should be allowed to. The fact of the matter is that there should be no Federal Department of Education. Then the individual States would have to make their own rulings, perhaps.

Uh no, not only is the US constitution currently being interpreted as separation of Church and State but Thomas Jefferson says explicitly in a letter "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof", thus building a wall of separation between Church & State." Even without this letter freedom of religion is not possible without freedom from religion.

If you want to let one religious person express his religious views in class you have to let every religious person do so. That's every religion and every denomination, and obviously there is not enough time in the world for that. And wait until the Atheists get in so they can tear apart all the religious bullshit that was spewed.

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Un, no it isn't. :rolleyes:

Then tell that to all the different judges who are doing exactly that.

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:lol: That's awesome.

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You just have to love democracy.

Walk down any street and pick the first 300 people you see, and put them in a parliament for a year or two. It is far better to do this, in the long term, than to allow wise, informed leaders to govern on our behalf.

Why? Why should we randomly choose our politicians rather than choose wise, informed leaders?

Think in terms of incentives. If we choose our leaders randomly (ie. through democratic elections), the ambitious (wise, informed) can at best buy a lottery ticket. But if we select leaders through any other scheme (eg. monarchy, communism, bureaucracy), the ambitious will game the system and benefit.

You gotta love democracy.

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