bud Posted October 15, 2010 Author Report Posted October 15, 2010 The Israelis treat their captives better than Gilad Shalit has been treated. really? ever looked to see how many palestinians are held in israel without charge? oh and LOL @ comparing this to another incident, instead of israel's supposed and self-proclaimed high standards and the whole b.s. about 'the most moral army in the world'. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
jbg Posted October 15, 2010 Report Posted October 15, 2010 oh and LOL @ comparing this to another incident, instead of israel's supposed and self-proclaimed high standards and the whole b.s. about 'the most moral army in the world'. Arguing with a Jew and Israel hater is tough. It is obviousas to whether Israel or the surrounding Muslim lands have higher moral standards. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bud Posted October 15, 2010 Author Report Posted October 15, 2010 Arguing with a Jew and Israel hater is tough. It is obviousas to whether Israel or the surrounding Muslim lands have higher moral standards. again, any criticism of israel makes a person a jew hater. it's tough to debate with those who can't take criticism of their country. oh and most of those surrounding countries are pretty crappy but i don't see them occupying and annexing another land and i haven't seen them attacking other people and committing war crimes. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
DogOnPorch Posted October 15, 2010 Report Posted October 15, 2010 #1 - whether she's a criminal or not, what this soldier did to this blindfolded woman, is not only illegal, but it's also another sign of a sick culture of the israeli military. #2 - you don't know and i don't know why she's being held for. what we do know is that israel has a well-documented history of arresting palestinians and abusing their rights. these soldiers would never treat an israeli this way. correction; quite possible they'd hold the same disrespect and hate towards a palestinian-israeli. I hear Jews control the media and the planet's banking systems, too. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bud Posted October 15, 2010 Author Report Posted October 15, 2010 I hear Jews control the media and the planet's banking systems, too. ? you're a failure. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
DogOnPorch Posted October 15, 2010 Report Posted October 15, 2010 (edited) ? you're a failure. Die Fahne hoch! Die Reihen fest geschlossen! Ja, ja... , Jude-Jager. Edited October 15, 2010 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dre Posted October 15, 2010 Report Posted October 15, 2010 (edited) Arguing with a Jew and Israel hater is tough. It is obviousas to whether Israel or the surrounding Muslim lands have higher moral standards. Youd have more luck finding a Burger King on the moon than finding moral standards over in that pathetic wasteland of dirt. And that goes for both sides. Nobody is as embarassing to the human race as Israelis and Palestinians. The ones in charge at least anyhow. Edited October 15, 2010 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
jbg Posted October 15, 2010 Report Posted October 15, 2010 again, any criticism of israel makes a person a jew hater. it's tough to debate with those who can't take criticism of their country.My country is the United States. I'm an American. oh and most of those surrounding countries are pretty crappy but i don't see them occupying and annexing another land and i haven't seen them attacking other people and committing war crimes. 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973 and then the repeated attacks, first called "guerilla", then "terrorist", then "suicide"? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Argus Posted October 15, 2010 Report Posted October 15, 2010 There are a handful of countries--Israel is one of them--who are to be held, so I understand, to far lower standards than official enemies are to be held. Get with the program, Dre. There is actually only one country which is to be held to a far higher standard than all other countries in its region, or for that matter, on its continent, and that's Israel. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 15, 2010 Report Posted October 15, 2010 It has nothing to do with Israel per se. It's that defenders of Israel, exactly like defenders of the US and Canada (if anything, moreso with the latter two), BS. I hold Israel to the same standards as everyone else. The difference is I underestand that there are logical contexts which forbid the possibility of them matching the behaviour, in all cases, of a peaceful western democratic state which has few enemies. Most of Israel's detractors care nothing about human rights anyway. They certainly never complain about the far more egregious violations of human rights on the part of those for whom they are advocates - such as the Palestinians, Lebanese or Iranians. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 15, 2010 Report Posted October 15, 2010 9/11 was a consequence, pretty much. A consequence of not accepting Allah into our lives and murdering all the Jews, as all good Muslims are supposed to do. You want to change that, right? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bloodyminded Posted October 15, 2010 Report Posted October 15, 2010 (edited) BS. I hold Israel to the same standards as everyone else. The difference is I underestand that there are logical contexts which forbid the possibility of them matching the behaviour, in all cases, of a peaceful western democratic state which has few enemies. But this stance insists upon promiscuous generalizations in terms of support of behaviour: because Israel is in the position it's in, all it's behaviour is therefore justified. That's not a sober world-view; it's an insistence upon an overly-credulous worldview. Each action, every single behaviour, must be weighed on its own merits. Otherwise, we're back to the old "Cold War" response to justify every US action--uttering the talismanic phrase as blanket justification, even when it's a square peg in a round hole. Like I said, these are exceedingly low standards of behaviour. Well, no standards, actually, since all is prima facie justified. Edited October 15, 2010 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 15, 2010 Report Posted October 15, 2010 ...Like I said, these are exceedingly low standards of behaviour. Well, no standards, actually, since all is prima facie justified. Well...DUH! It has taken you this long to figure that much out? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bloodyminded Posted October 15, 2010 Report Posted October 15, 2010 Well...DUH! It has taken you this long to figure that much out? Nope. Only trying to educate the more credulous-to-power among us. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
naomiglover Posted October 17, 2010 Report Posted October 17, 2010 Nobody is as embarassing to the human race as Israelis and Palestinians. The ones in charge at least anyhow. Issuing a 50/50 blame game may seem like the right thing to do to distance yourself from being considered biased, but sometimes it's okay to be biased towards the truth. The truth is that the ball is in Israel's court and they're the ones who can change the course of this conflict by following international law. There is nothing wrong with being brutally honest and saying that, in this day and age, everything else happening is a reaction (accessory) to Israel's behaviour towards the Palestinians and their rights. Quote Jewish Voice for Peace Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 17, 2010 Report Posted October 17, 2010 ....The truth is that the ball is in Israel's court and they're the ones who can change the course of this conflict by following international law.... So the Palestinians are not required to "follow international law"? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted October 17, 2010 Report Posted October 17, 2010 But this stance insists upon promiscuous generalizations in terms of support of behaviour: because Israel is in the position it's in, all it's behaviour is therefore justified. I've never said ALL its behaviour is justified. I've said I understand the contexts in which some of it happens. I understand the hatreds and what's driving them. I understand the safety/defense reasons behind things which we would not do here in the safe West. And in the end, all of it would be unnecessary and almost certainly eliminated were it not for the hatred and intransigence of the nations surrounding them. Because make no mistake, the Palestinians are merely the most obvious, most visible symptom of a far bigger problem. If the nations around Israel would abandon their hostility most of the issues would fade away. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 17, 2010 Report Posted October 17, 2010 Issuing a 50/50 blame game may seem like the right thing to do to distance yourself from being considered biased, but sometimes it's okay to be biased towards the truth. The truth is that the ball is in Israel's court and they're the ones who can change the course of this conflict by following international law. So if I get a law passed saying all Jews should kill themselves then it would be their own fault if they didn't follow it, right? Then I'd be morally justified in taking action against them for being lawbreakers. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jbg Posted October 17, 2010 Report Posted October 17, 2010 So if I get a law passed saying all Jews should kill themselves then it would be their own fault if they didn't follow it, right? Then I'd be morally justified in taking action against them for being lawbreakers. All that some posters are capable of is anti-Israeli and anti-Jewish SPAM. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
scribblet Posted October 17, 2010 Report Posted October 17, 2010 That's torture, people beheaded should be so lucky. It was a woman according to Haaretz and the big difference here is that Israel does not condone it, the IDF's internal investigation department has ordered an immediate probe into the matter. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
GostHacked Posted October 17, 2010 Report Posted October 17, 2010 So the Palestinians are not required to "follow international law"? They'd need a nation first right? Quote
jbg Posted October 17, 2010 Report Posted October 17, 2010 They'd need a nation first right? So you're saying that if I decide that the Nation of Calgary isn't legitimately its own state that I can run around beheading non-combatants in Toronto and it would be O.K.? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 18, 2010 Report Posted October 18, 2010 So you're saying that if I decide that the Nation of Calgary isn't legitimately its own state that I can run around beheading non-combatants in Toronto and it would be O.K.? That's pretty much what he implies....suicide bombings, beheadings, kidnappings, Olympic murders...all perfectly OK because "international law" would not apply. How convenient. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jbg Posted October 18, 2010 Report Posted October 18, 2010 That's pretty much what he implies....suicide bombings, beheadings, kidnappings, Olympic murders...all perfectly OK because "international law" would not apply. How convenient. That means that the forces of civilization have to fight the barbarians with two hands tied behind their backs? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bud Posted October 18, 2010 Author Report Posted October 18, 2010 So if I get a law passed saying all Jews should kill themselves then it would be their own fault if they didn't follow it, right? Then I'd be morally justified in taking action against them for being lawbreakers. don't be ridiculous. following the 1967 border has nothing to do with israel's security. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
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