Ignatieff needs lesson in statesmanship

[Keepitsimple]

Canada cannot be trusted. I am reminded how the Conservatives continue to undermine the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples - a document mostly authored by Canada but continually ignored by Stephen Harper.

Oh come on.....Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the United States issued a joint statement opposing some of the core provisions of the proposed declaration. All four countries were "colonizers" and as such, could find themselves libel to huge land claims.......how would you like your government to sign an agreement that technically might force you and thousands of Canadians out of their homes - or at least affect the value of land. It'll never happen you say? Just look at our own little example in Caledonia, Ontario where residents have been held hostage to land claims. Try multiplying that by 1000 and you'll understand the potential for divisive, potentially explosive confrontations. These types of "declarations" always have a nice soft, fuzzy warmth to them - but can be disastrous when the rubber hits the road. Canada is taking its own bold steps in settling land claims for our indigenous peoples - the progress is slow but in fact the Harper government has treated the process with more respect that previous governments of all stripes.

The process to draft the aforementioned declaration moved very slowly, not because of some imagined slowness and inefficiencies of an over-sized bureaucracy, but because of concerns expressed by particular countries at some of the core provisions of the draft declaration, especially the right to self-determination of indigenous peoples and the control over natural resources existing on indigenous peoples’ traditional lands.

Inter Press Service (IPS) notes, for example, that countries such as the United States, Australia, and New Zealand, have all been opposed to this declaration. These countries have noted in a joint statement that “No government can accept the notion of creating different classes of citizens.”

Furthermore, as IPS also noted, the delegation claimed that the indigenous land claims ignore current reality “by appearing to require the recognition to lands now lawfully owned by other citizens.”

Link: http://www.globalissues.org/article/693/rights-of-indigenous-people#MajorCountriesOpposedtoVariousRightsforIndigenousPeoples

[nicky10013]

Harpers time got used up by Obama and others...and so his speech was pushed back to during lunch. It should have been a full chamber.

The fact that it was pushed to lunch and not moved to another time slot says quite a bit.

[PIK]

The fact that it was pushed to lunch and not moved to another time slot says quite a bit.

It tells me the left is trying to keep him quiet. I wish people in this country would back harper out on the world stage, but trying to score political points by bad mouthing the nation is going to far. Imagine if it was the other way around ,our media would be all over this for days on end.

[nicky10013]

It tells me the left is trying to keep him quiet. I wish people in this country would back harper out on the world stage, but trying to score political points by bad mouthing the nation is going to far. Imagine if it was the other way around ,our media would be all over this for days on end.

BAHAHAHAHAH. It's always a leftist conspiracy. No, it's just that no one cared.

[Topaz]

Perhaps Harper is diliked to others countries when he said Canada didn't need to have a tax on banks as the other countries wanted.

[M.Dancer]

Perhaps Harper is diliked to others countries when he said Canada didn't need to have a tax on banks as the other countries wanted.

Engrish prease

[nicky10013]

Engrish prease

Despite a couple mistake I found what he wrote to be perfectly intelligible. Do you honestly think it's funny every time you pull this childish garbage? Or do you honestly have a reading problem?

[capricorn]

The fact that it was pushed to lunch and not moved to another time slot says quite a bit.

Liberals want Canadians to think Stephen Harper lacks the international status that renowned academic Michael Ignatieff would bring to the job. The proof: photos of a sparse audience for the Prime Minister’s speech to the United Nations yesterday, compared to a big crowd for the president of Switzerland, of all people.

Hah! proof eh? This showed up on a Star blog almnost as quickly as the previous day’s leak about an emotional speech given in Liberal caucus over the gun registry.

Except…

Except, as Taylor shows, the big crowd for the Swiss president resulted from positioning. His address came just before Obama’s, and the crowd was in their seats early for the U.S. president. Malawi, which followed Obama, also had a decent crowd, as it took time to filter out. Harper, in fact, drew just as well as China or Iraq.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/09/24/liberal-spin-machine-runs-aground-on-harpers-un-speech/

Check the picture of the audience in China's speech, and other audiences for other countries.

http://www.stephentaylor.ca/

Harper has as large an audience as China, who is a permanent member of the Security Council and has the world's largest population.

[capricorn]

BAHAHAHAHAH. It's always a leftist conspiracy. No, it's just that no one cared.

Well Ignatieff cared enough to proclaim Canada does not deserve a seat at the UNSC. What a jerk.

[nicky10013]

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/09/24/liberal-spin-machine-runs-aground-on-harpers-un-speech/

Check the picture of the audience in China's speech, and other audiences for other countries.

http://www.stephentaylor.ca/

Harper has as large an audience as China, who is a permanent member of the Security Council and has the world's largest population.

China would've been different, if you know, President Hu had actually given the speech. As for Iraq, since they don't have the government, Obama might as well as double for Iraq.

[nicky10013]

Well Ignatieff cared enough to proclaim Canada does not deserve a seat at the UNSC. What a jerk.

Well, considering the motives behind the Harper government on this and his avowed views of the UN, Ignateiff is right whether you like it or not.

[capricorn]

Well, considering the motives behind the Harper government on this and his avowed views of the UN, Ignateiff is right whether you like it or not.

Oh boy. Another Canada hater.

[nicky10013]

Oh boy. Another Canada hater.

Ah, so the only thing you can come back at me with is I hate Canada. I'd like to remind you that no one has a monopoly on patriotism. My view that Harper is hurting Canada internationally is just as valid as your view. The only difference is that I don't think you hate our country. So do me a favour. Until you can actually come up with a concrete argument, kindly fuck right off.

[M.Dancer]

Despite a couple mistake I found what he wrote to be perfectly intelligible. Do you honestly think it's funny every time you pull this childish garbage? Or do you honestly have a reading problem?

Freel flee provide transation...

[M.Dancer]

.... and his avowed views of the UN, ....

And what are his avowed views?

Direct quotes please.

[capricorn]

Ah, so the only thing you can come back at me with is I hate Canada. I'd like to remind you that no one has a monopoly on patriotism. My view that Harper is hurting Canada internationally is just as valid as your view. The only difference is that I don't think you hate our country. So do me a favour. Until you can actually come up with a concrete argument, kindly fuck right off.

I have to question a person's view of Canada when said person agrees with Ignatieff that Canada does not deserve a seat at the UNSC. This is not about the present government deserving to win the seat. It is about Canada's 60 odd years of contribution to the UN's efforts and advancing its goals, which Harper stressed eloquently in his speech.

By your outburst, I'll grant it looks like you're not a Canada hater. Upon reflection, what it does look like is your hatred of all things Conservative.

And really, was it necessary to end your post with fowl language?

[nicky10013]

And what are his avowed views?

Direct quotes please.

Actions speak louder than words. Skipping all but one speech, one for Tim Hortons is enough proof.

As for the translation, he said maybe our opposition to the bank tax is why we're not liked. Then again, you knew that and are just being the dick that you are.

You know what? You can fuck right off, too.

[waldo]

Well Ignatieff cared enough to proclaim Canada does not deserve a seat at the UNSC. What a jerk.

independent capricorn watchdog notes:

This is a government that for four years has basically ignored the United Nations and now is suddenly showing up saying, 'Hey, put us on the council,'" Ignatieff said Monday.

"Don't mistake me. I know how important it is for Canada to get a seat on the Security Council but Canadians have to ask a tough question: Has this government earned that place? We're not convinced it has.

(independent capricorn watchdog: proudly serving the MLW community in helping to illuminate the capricious, partisan ramblings and purposeful distortions of capricorn)

[nicky10013]

I have to question a person's view of Canada when said person agrees with Ignatieff that Canada does not deserve a seat at the UNSC. This is not about the present government deserving to win the seat. It is about Canada's 60 odd years of contribution to the UN's efforts and advancing its goals, which Harper stressed eloquently in his speech.

By your outburst, I'll grant it looks like you're not a Canada hater. Upon reflection, what it does look like is your hatred of all things Conservative.

And really, was it necessary to end your post with fowl language?

Yep.

EDIT: I don't think chickens can speak.

Edited September 24, 2010 by nicky10013

[capricorn]

independent capricorn watchdog notes:

(independent capricorn watchdog: proudly serving the MLW community in helping to illuminate the capricious, partisan ramblings and purposeful distortions of capricorn)

Ignatieff's words are being interpreted for what was meant, which is that Canada does not deserve a seat at the UNSC.

Canadian opposition leader Michael Ignatieff, meanwhile, questioned whether Canada led by Harper deserves a rotating seat on the Security Council.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5i1E_1nIlrO-y3VJYKwc4Sm-GsmAA

As reported by Robert Fife on CTV, the Portuguese delegation gleefully waved press clippings of Ignatieff's statement, pointing out that even Canada's opposition does not think Canada deserves to win the seat.

Oh, and thanks for your self appointment as capricorn watchdog. No doubt this will ensure that my posts will be read and appreciated by more guests and forum members.

[M.Dancer]

Actions speak louder than words. Skipping all but one speech, one for Tim Hortons is enough proof.

his avowed views of the UN, Ignateiff is right whether you like it or not.

a·vow (-vou)

tr.v. a·vowed, a·vow·ing, a·vows

1. To acknowledge openly, boldly, and unashamedly; confess: avow guilt. See Synonyms at acknowledge.

2. To state positively.

You know what? You can fuck right off, too.

So that was her avowed belief... Mine is you you are lying and you do it often.

[M.Dancer]

And really, was it necessary to end your post with fowl language?

...it's a habit with bird brains

[Smallc]

The fact that it was pushed to lunch and not moved to another time slot says quite a bit.

I'm actually not sure why he accepted it. His message was apparently well received, and most will hear it in the end anyway.

Edited September 24, 2010 by Smallc

[waldo]

Ignatieff's words are being interpreted for what was meant, which is that Canada does not deserve a seat at the UNSC.

yes, clearly red-meat for Conservative partisans

Oh, and thanks for your self appointment as capricorn watchdog. No doubt this will ensure that my posts will be read and appreciated by more guests and forum members.

not to worry... your self-correcting measures will not only raise the MLW truthiness bar, I just know you will feel better for them... however, I trust you will actually take more time in acknowledging when the watchdog points out your failings - like here:

[Smallc]

China would've been different, if you know, President Hu had actually given the speech.

Ummm, yo do realize that that is the Premier speaking, right? He's like, the equivalent of Harper.