Should Environmentalists Be Careful Of Their Rhetoric?

[waldo]

This nut represents what the green agenda is all about. Greenpeace, World Wildlife Fund members....this is how they think.

I'm sure you'll be along shortly to drop additional unattributed verbatim quotes from that same 'Green Agenda' website you've parroted from previously - right?

Your exploitation is a natural fit... your rationalization and ability to bob&weave through the mentally unstable individuals manifesto is quite remarkable - indeed. I did not realize such things as the manifesto's stated references to 'immigration pollution', 'anchor baby filth', reducing third world population, etc., were a part of your perceived 'green agenda'.

[capricorn]

other than your personalized response,

No surprise, waldo doesn't like to be at the receiving end of a "personalized response".

will you step-up and substantiate your baseless claim and association to your offered quote/link? Are you really surprised your ambulance chase was called out?

My view is very simple. Initially, Lee succumbed to the works of environmentalists such as Gore.

A man who was allegedly angry with the Discovery Channel's environmental lineup, and entered the company's national headquarters outside Washington, DC and took several people hostage at gunpoint, was negatively influenced by Al Gore's film "An In Convenient Truth."

http://www.examiner.com/law-enforcement-in-national/hostage-taker-james-lee-influenced-by-al-gore-film

Lee took it to another level, railing against overpopulation and making demands that Discovery cease positive coverage of humans on our planet, and using violence to make his point. The link in my previous post shows that individuals such as Maurice Strong, Al Gore and Ted Turner have similar preoccupations with overpopulation and the impact of humans on the environment. Their methods to push their agenda are not violent as compared to Lee, but their ideology is the same and they should be feared.

According to his MySpace page, Lee's interests include Daniel Quinn's books My Ishmael and The Story of B, and the number one demand on his list states:

"The Discovery Channel and it's affiliate channels MUST have daily television programs at prime time slots based on Daniel Quinn's "My Ishmael" pages 207-212 where solutions to save the planet would be done in the same way as the Industrial Revolution was done, by people building on each other's inventive ideas."

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Daniel Quinn won the Turner Tomorrow Fellowship Award for the book Ishmael. This is the prequel to My Ishmael, which is about a telepathic gorilla who meets a 12-year-old girl called Julie Gerchak that wants to save the world.

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/james-jay-lees-manifesto-based-daniel-quinns-my-ishmael-2658489.html

Note that the Turner Tomorrow Fellowship Award was created by Ted Turner, the same Ted Turner referred to in my link which you objected was 2 years old. Obviously, Quinn and Turner share views on environmentalism.

Turner created the prize in hopes of combining literary merit with potential solutions to near-term environmental concerns. While unveiling the award he said, "The great minds of today need to focus on the problems of global significance if humanity is to see new tomorrows" adding, "These awards are designed to encourage writing by authors throughout the world and in all languages that creates positive solutions to global problems."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_Tomorrow_Fellowship_Award

[waldo]

No surprise, waldo doesn't like to be at the receiving end of a "personalized response".

your delivery was weak - please continue

My view is very simple.

no disagreement here... very simple - indeed

Initially, Lee succumbed to the works of environmentalists such as Gore.

A man who was... negatively influenced by Al Gore's film "An In Convenient Truth."

huh! Your baseless psychoanalysis seems at odds... what... the guy 'succumbed to the negative influence'? (you need to get together with lil' buddy Shady and get your talking points ironed out - hey?)

[lukin]

Waldo, you make little sense.

[waldo]

Waldo, you make little sense.

oh my! Coming from such an illustrious AGW denier and purveyor of falsehoods as yourself... that is, indeed, a warm and comforting assessment.

[Pliny]

This individual was solving what he perceived to be the world's problems in his own way. Judging from what we have heard of his rhetoric we should have been worried.

He wasn't deluded about the world's problems, especially from an environmentalists view, but he was deluded in thinking his actions to solve the problems were correct.

Rhetoric from people with power has to be tempered. Waldo, doesn't have to worry. He can say what he wants but Al Gore and Maurice Strong have to be a little guarded in their statements. Unstable people will take matters into their own hands. Al and Maurice don't want that - they will solve the world's problems in their own way. Are they deluded in thinking their actions to solve the problems are correct?

Judging form their rhetoric I would say we have to worry a little.

[waldo]

Rhetoric from people with power has to be tempered. Waldo, doesn't have to worry. He can say what he wants but Al Gore and Maurice Strong have to be a little guarded in their statements. Unstable people will take matters into their own hands. Al and Maurice don't want that - they will solve the world's problems in their own way. Are they deluded in thinking their actions to solve the problems are correct?

Judging form their rhetoric I would say we have to worry a little.

classic Pliny! Would that be solving matters with what you describe as, "guarded rhetoric"? So your real worry is with what's not being said? The "absent rhetoric"? What floats around in your worry bubble... what constitutes your "absent rhetoric"... the rhetoric... that isn't?

[Pliny]

classic Pliny! Would that be solving matters with what you describe as, "guarded rhetoric"? So your real worry is with what's not being said? The "absent rhetoric"? What floats around in your worry bubble... what constitutes your "absent rhetoric"... the rhetoric... that isn't?

Nice day today, Waldo. Have a good one.

[Shady]

I assume this thread title is intended as a parody of the guy who blamed the NY mosque protests for the attack on the Muslim cabbie.

You're quite right kimmy. I can remember back to the murder of Dr. Tiller. When Bill O'Reilly was blamed. I just figured, if we're holding everyone to the same standard, then Al Gore should take responsibility for this person.

[punked]

You're quite right kimmy. I can remember back to the murder of Dr. Tiller. When Bill O'Reilly was blamed. I just figured, if we're holding everyone to the same standard, then Al Gore should take responsibility for this person.

Al Gore AND Glenn Beck I don't remember Al Gore ever using the term "Anchor baby." Like this crazy man did over and over again in his writings.

[GostHacked]

More information from TPM.

Sounds like he could've worked at Planned Parenthood too!

TPM better not be one of them left wing commie rags.

[punked]

TPM better not be one of them left wing commie rags.

Shady knows TPM is one of the best sources for news out there he just wont admit it.

[Shady]

Al Gore AND Glenn Beck I don't remember Al Gore ever using the term "Anchor baby." Like this crazy man did over and over again in his writings.

Complete nonsense.

[Bonam]

Complete nonsense.

Uh which part? That Al Gore didn't use the term "anchor baby" or that the enviroterrorist did?

[punked]

Uh which part? That Al Gore didn't use the term "anchor baby" or that the enviroterrorist did?

This is a good question it was a very large part of his rant used over and over again and no matter how many Al Gore books I read I can't find it.

Here is a whole clip with write up though about Glenn Beck talking about how we should give no Anchor Babies Empathy. Sounds a lot like this person at the Discovery Channel doesn't it?

http://www.laprogressive.com/immigration-reform/beck-decries-empathy-for-anchor-baby-thing/

[Shady]

Sounds a lot like this person at the Discovery Channel doesn't it?

No it doesn't at all. I'm still not sure why you think so.

[BubberMiley]

Complete nonsense.

I think what he meant to say is everything the guy said was complete nonsense, except any reference to the environment. That is very, very relevant.

[bloodyminded]

You're quite right kimmy. I can remember back to the murder of Dr. Tiller. When Bill O'Reilly was blamed. I just figured, if we're holding everyone to the same standard, then Al Gore should take responsibility for this person.

But you made no such connection; you didn't present your argument as a reductio ad absurdum, which you now do in retrospect.

[Jack Weber]

But you made no such connection; you didn't present your argument as a reductio ad absurdum, which you now do in retrospect.

Shady and a Latin reference to absurd in the same sentence...

Careful bloody,the good Professor's head might explode!!!!

[Shady]

But you made no such connection; you didn't present your argument as a reductio ad absurdum, which you now do in retrospect.

I wanted to see if the same people who posted about O'Reilly and Tiller would make the connection. Unfortunately, but not suprisingly, they failed.

[bloodyminded]

I wanted to see if the same people who posted about O'Reilly and Tiller would make the connection. Unfortunately, but not suprisingly, they failed.

Honestly I find this a dubious claim...but I can't read your mind, and the constant shouts of "liar" are not helpful (and sometimes, no doubt, incorrect) so ok.

Edited September 5, 2010 by bloodyminded