Gun Control

[pinko]

I’m in Coquitlam, and am only a few minutes drive from where they lived in Port Moody……their guns were not legal, and likely were obtained through the black market and/or stolen……in no way, shape or form did the registry prevent them from obtaining guns…….in some ways, with the right connections, it’s easier to purchase an illegal gun then it is one that is legal……I waited a few weeks recently to purchase a legal revolver, then register it, obtain a the transport licence and pay a fortune for ammo……criminals can make a call on a cellphone and pick one up, commit a crime then dump it in the Fraser river all within one day……To be quite honest, I’ve no problem registering handguns or black/military surplus rifles the same way one registers a car, but the requirements on long guns (hunting rifles) and shotguns for hunting or sport is a joke……same with how they determine which guns are ok to own and which are not…..I own a number of handguns & rifles/shotguns (all legal) that are equal or better then what the police/military use, again all perfectly legal, but owning some small calibre (.25 &.32) pistols are prohibited because of barrel length….One can’t purchase a Barret .50 calibre rifle in Canada (because it’s scary looking?) but I could purchase a .50 made by Steyr…..The laws make no sense.

My point being the prevalence of gang violence in the greater Vancouver region. If you live there you should be aware of the widespread violence in the region.

[pinko]

I do and I wouldnt.(in fact dont)

I used to camp in my younger days in areas frequented by bears and didn't have a firearm. I think a gun is a phallic symbol for many of you.

The fact of the matter is you don't need guns.

Edited July 13, 2011 by pinko

[guyser]

My point being the prevalence of gang violence in the greater Vancouver region. If you live there you should be aware of the widespread violence in the region.

All illegal guns , therefore a moot point.

[guyser]

The fact of the matter is you don't need guns.

True.

Dont need...

-cars

- boats

-microwaves

-ovens

-cottages

-vacations

-running shoes

.....shall I go on?

IOW, another moot point .

[Guest Derek L]

My point being the prevalence of gang violence in the greater Vancouver region. If you live there you should be aware of the widespread violence in the region.

Sure I am, and the same token, for the most part, the criminals are killing each other and usually in seedy areas or in a low-key way that the general public is not aware of…….The gun registry is not going to take their AK-47s, TEC-9s and illegal handguns off the streets…….Just as registering a car doesn’t guarantee that it won’t be stolen and/or used in a crime…..It just pisses off legal gun owners such as myself.

[pinko]

All illegal guns , therefore a moot point.

How would you know whether these were all illegal guns? That is pure speculation on your part.

[pinko]

Sure I am, and the same token, for the most part, the criminals are killing each other and usually in seedy areas or in a low-key way that the general public is not aware of…….The gun registry is not going to take their AK-47s, TEC-9s and illegal handguns off the streets…….Just as registering a car doesn’t guarantee that it won’t be stolen and/or used in a crime…..It just pisses off legal gun owners such as myself.

Not so. A number of recent incident involve innocent bystanders as you should know if you actually live in the region.

[Guest Derek L]

How would you know whether these were all illegal guns? That is pure speculation on your part.

Would someone rob a bank with their own car? Automatic weapons are not legal.

[pinko]

Would someone rob a bank with their own car? Automatic weapons are not legal.

Of course people rob banks with cars including their own.

[Guest Derek L]

Not so. A number of recent incident involve innocent bystanders as you should know if you actually live in the region.

Yes, there has been a few ( I didn’t cast a blanket statement in my post), but there has also been inocent people hurt in car accidents, should we ban cars?

[Guest Derek L]

Of course people rob banks with cars including their own.

Should we ban all cars?

[Black Dog]

I didn't misuse the term, as you're clearly trying to make semi-covert statement opposing rights to bear arms. Your implication that the video statement I quoted inevitably leads to advocating for the rights of individuals to own nuclear weapons is an illustration of you being unable to comprehend a simple concept know as balance, and that's a product of puritanical thinking.

You're not much of a logician, are you?

If you prefer, feel free to substitute puritanical for obstinate or inflexible or rigid. You're not much of a wordsmith, are you?

I'm wordsmith enough to know that puritanical is not a synonym for those other terms, no matter what your google search might tell you.

[Bob]

I used to camp in my younger days in areas frequented by bears and didn't have a firearm. I think a gun is a phallic symbol for many of you.

The fact of the matter is you don't need guns.

Who are you exactly to tell others what they do or don't need? If someone breaks into my apartment, do I then "need" a gun?

Your attempt to denigrate gun owners is quite infantile.

[pinko]

Yes, there has been a few ( I didn’t cast a blanket statement in my post), but there has also been inocent people hurt in car accidents, should we ban cars?

You are being silly. Cars are normally used as weapons. Cars are also registered as should guns.

[pinko]

Who are you exactly to tell others what they do or don't need? If someone breaks into my apartment, do I then "need" a gun?

Your attempt to denigrate gun owners is quite infantile.

Your opinion. I am not bound by it though.

Far by it for me to tell you how to protect yourself.

Edited July 13, 2011 by pinko

[Bob]

You're not much of a logician, are you?

I'm wordsmith enough to know that puritanical is not a synonym for those other terms, no matter what your google search might tell you.

Why don't you get back to dazzling us with your intellectual deficiencies where you are unable to distinguish between a gun and a nuclear weapon? Tell us more about how advocacy for liberalization of gun ownership laws is synonymous with advocating for private ownership of nuclear weapons.

[Bob]

Far by it for me to tell you how to protect yourself.

That's exactly what you're doing.

[Guest Derek L]

You are being silly. Cars are normally used as weapons. Cars are also registered as should guns.

But you said all guns should be banned or something to that affect…….since the gun registry came into place, I’ve never had a weapons charge, but I’ve received a parking ticket…….

Why the need for such an activity? I submit there is no need for anyone except perhaps for the police to be armed.

Edited July 13, 2011 by Derek L

[pinko]

That's exactly what you're doing.

Don't be silly. I don't know who you are and what your circumstances are. I don't really care what you do to protect yourself. I don't own a gun and certainly don't live in fear of a home invasion.

[pinko]

But you said all guns should be banned or something to that affect…….since the gun registry came into place, I’ve never had a weapons charge, but I’ve received a parking ticket…….

You have taken my quote out of context and your statement is an acknowledgement of that.

[Guest Derek L]

You have taken my quote out of context and your statement is an acknowledgement of that.

How so? You state there’s no reason for anyone other than the police to be armed, and offer gang crime as support to your opinion, but like registering a car, the registration of firearms does not prevent gun crime…..

[bloodyminded]

Pinko, I almost hate to join the ganging up here, and you know I like you. But I really think you're wrong on this issue; and I think the majority of people wrong on this issue tend to be lefties. Perhaps that's not so clear in the bigger urban areas, I don't know.

I too think the home invasion theme approaches the non sequiter arena, because people hurt and killed in home invasions is a vanishingly small number.

My objection to this registry is based on a couple of things: first of all, it seems awfully expensive for somehting that has yielded no tangible results. (If there are tangible results, I think we'd hear about it from government and police by now.) More to the point, however, is that it goes after the wrong people.

I don't think I'm arguing from personal bias. I've never owned a gun, and am not interested in them. I've been hunting twice, and never fired a shot. But growing up in New Brunswick, i saw guns all the time. They're everywhere. An anti-imperialist, vegetarian We-are-the-world peace marcher is as likely to own a rifle as anyone else.

So they're de-mystified. They're not scary. Yes, an occasional fool ignores standard safety measures and someone gets killed. But it's no epidemic.

There is more of a gun violence problem in larger cities (I live in little Fredericton); I understand that. But how is the registry supposed to counter that particular issue?

[pinko]

How so? You state there’s no reason for anyone other than the police to be armed, and offer gang crime as support to your opinion, but like registering a car, the registration of firearms does not prevent gun crime…..

I expect you to be honest when you describe my position. The method you are using is clearly dishonest.

[Black Dog]

Why don't you get back to dazzling us with your intellectual deficiencies where you are unable to distinguish between a gun and a nuclear weapon? Tell us more about how advocacy for liberalization of gun ownership laws is synonymous with advocating for private ownership of nuclear weapons.

It's okay, I understand: you don't get it. Take a few minutes, grab a tissue, wipe your nose and get back out there champ!

[pinko]

It's okay, I understand: you don't get it. Take a few minutes, grab a tissue, wipe your nose and get back out there champ!

I think he is fighting off a home invader.