Gun Control

[Saipan]

When you're losing debate try name calling

1) What "claim" is that?

2) Where is your evidence of 0.1% of population?

3) Are you denying handgun confiscation in UK and all REGISTERED HUNTING pump and semi in Australia? YES OR NO?

Btw, as for "need". What is the NEED for fast sports car far exceeding speed limit?

[Mr.Canada]

My only worry is that this is a step in the direction of banning all firearms altogether. As this seems to be the way the anti people do things. They restrict it little by little until it's made illegal. I don't know if that's the long term plan or not. Restrict it for a while until gun owners get used to it then restrict firearms a little more again until they get used to it then a little more and so on.

[Saipan]

http://www.lexrex.com/articles/australia.htm

CROCODILE DUNDEE KILLED BY GUN-CONFISCATING POLICE

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/crocodile_dundee.htm

[Saipan]

My only worry is that this is a step in the direction of banning all firearms altogether. As this seems to be the way the anti people do things. They restrict it little by little until it's made illegal. I don't know if that's the long term plan or not. Restrict it for a while until gun owners get used to it then restrict firearms a little more again until they get used to it then a little more and so on.

Yes, the screw is gradually tightened ever since handgun registration in 1934. Like the frog thrown in hot water will jump out, but warming the water gradually it'll get cooked.

[freely translated from Czech] "People get used to anything, even a noose - if it's tightened very slowly".

"Nothing in politics happens suddenly, everything is done one small step at a time."

- - - - Warran Allmand (Lib.),WTN 1995.(Father of Canada's "Gun Control" Laws,1978.

Edited September 30, 2010 by Saipan

[M.Dancer]

When you're losing debate try name calling

1) What "claim" is that?

2) Where is your evidence of 0.1% of population?

3) Are you denying handgun confiscation in UK and all REGISTERED HUNTING pump and semi in Australia? YES OR NO?

Btw, as for "need". What is the NEED for fast sports car far exceeding speed limit?

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=16996&view=findpost&p=584463

Can you read? Your brain fart about handguns and crime, if that wasn't a claim, what was it?

[Saipan]

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=16996&view=findpost&p=584463

Can you read? Your brain fart about handguns and crime, if that wasn't a claim, what was it?

I see it's all too much for you. Let's do it one step at a time.

1) Are you denying handgun confiscation in UK and all REGISTERED HUNTING pump and semi in Australia? YES OR NO?

[M.Dancer]

I see it's all too much for you. Let's do it one step at a time.

1) Are you denying handgun confiscation in UK and all REGISTERED HUNTING pump and semi in Australia? YES OR NO?

Yes and no.

Yes in the UK

No in Australia

...but I'm sure you "Know" that already...and more to the point, so what?

[Saipan]

Yes and no.

Yes in the UK

No in Australia

...but I'm sure you "Know" that already...and more to the point, so what?

So why would we register and end up with confisction like Australia?

Or worse, UK.

[M.Dancer]

So why would we register and end up with confisction like Australia?

Or worse, UK.

You mean, why would we in a democratic society obey the laws made by a democratic society?

Is that your real question?...or are you the amazing Kreskin and can predict the future?

[Saipan]

You mean, why would we in a democratic society obey the laws made by a democratic society?

Is that your real question?...or are you the amazing Kreskin and can predict the future?

No, the question was:

Why would we register and end up with confisction like Australia?

Further, what are liberals so afraid of?

[M.Dancer]

No, the question was:

Why would we register and end up with confisction like Australia?

Further, what are liberals so afraid of?

That is not a question, it is a supposition.

How about ....Why would we register and not end up like Australia?

Indeed, what are you afraid of that carrying a weapon will make better?

[Saipan]

That is not a question, it is a supposition.

Yes, it is a question. What they need the registration for?

How about ....Why would we register and not end up like Australia?

Would you like some bureaucrat confiscated your car, because of the brand or size of tank, or the colour?

[Saipan]

Let's look at other countries how gun laws work and the homicide rate.

For example Jamaica and Mexico with very strict gun laws.

Czech Republic with liberal gun laws.

And Canada somewhere in between.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_murder_rate

[madmax]

http://www.canada.com/news/Tories+advance+slightly+after+politically+volatile+week+Poll/3575907/story.html

In post 293, I said the NDPs poll numbers would hit a low of 10%. They're not there yet, but you could just see this coming.

And the poll suggests the Conservatives are going to lose 20 seats..

[Wild Bill]

And the poll suggests the Conservatives are going to lose 20 seats..

Where did it say that, Max?

[Saipan]

The only poll that actually counts are federal elections.

And Reform was consistently gaining seats ever since Preston Manning and his "rump party that would never make it out of Alberta".

[Saipan]

"The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of

zeal, well meaning, but without understanding."

- - - - Louis D. Brandeis

[RNG]

Let's look at other countries how gun laws work and the homicide rate.

For example Jamaica and Mexico with very strict gun laws.

Czech Republic with liberal gun laws.

And Canada somewhere in between.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_murder_rate

I would suggest that that post is somewhat ingenious in that the police in Mexico and Jamaica are a joke. The law may be there but the enforcement isn`t. Too many dead mayors.

[Saipan]

I would suggest that that post is somewhat ingenious in that the police in Mexico and Jamaica are a joke.

The police are what the people are. I.e. it has to do with people, not guns at all. The post is an actual statistic as you can see.

[Saipan]

http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/ragingagainstselfdefense.htm

Raging Against Self Defense: A Psychiatrist Examines The Anti Gun Mentality By Sarah Thompson, M.D.

[Saipan]

"The Useless Canadian Gun Registry"

[normanchateau]

Let's look at other countries how gun laws work and the homicide rate.

For example Jamaica and Mexico with very strict gun laws.

Czech Republic with liberal gun laws.

And Canada somewhere in between.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_murder_rate

Your link is meaningless in that it provides no information whatsoever about gun laws in those countries. It merely provides homicide rates, not even homicide rates linked to homicide by guns as opposed to other methods. To draw a correlation, you'd need data on homicide by long guns, homicide by handguns, enforcement of gun laws, etc.

Even Stephen Harper has made no suggestion to change Canadian restrictions on handguns. Doesn't his argument that criminals don't register long guns also apply to handguns? If so, why isn't he demanding that all Canadians have free access to handguns?

Either he doesn't see the inconsistency in his logic or he seriously believes that relaxed access to handguns might increase the homicide rate.

[Saipan]

Your link is meaningless in that it provides no information whatsoever about gun laws in those countries. It merely provides homicide rates, not even homicide rates linked to homicide by guns as opposed to other methods. To draw a correlation, you'd need data on homicide by long guns, homicide by handguns, enforcement of gun laws, etc.

Actually it's you who need it. I posted lot more than anyone.

Check yourself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_Czech_Republic

"What is missing in the Canadian gun control debate is statistical

evidence of whether controls work. Rock acknowledges his

department has not done any studies looking at just how the new

laws would make Canadian society safer."

- - - - Ottawa Citizen, A3, 1 Dec 94.

Even Stephen Harper has made no suggestion to change Canadian restrictions on handguns. Doesn't his argument that criminals don't register long guns also apply to handguns?

1) Would you follow Harper in everything he says?

2) Yes, it applies to handguns. So what did the handgun registration accomplish so far?

3) What will long gun registration accomplish - IF it's ever fully implemented in the future? [my bet it it'll die on the vine. Just like after WW II]

If so, why isn't he demanding that all Canadians have free access to handguns?

He's not demanding everyone has FREE access to any guns. Far from it. It's a Liberal myth.

As you may know National Firearm Association suggested several times stricter licencing for everyone using firearms, civilians, police, military, security guards. But Liberals were not too keen on that. That is not useful for any confiscation.

[Saipan]

"The people of the various provinces are strictly forbidden to have in their possession

any swords, bows, spears, firearms, or other types of arms. The possession of these

elements make difficult the collection of taxes and dues, and tends to permit uprising.

Therefore, the heads of provinces, official agents, and deputies are ordered to collect

all the weapons mentioned above and turn them over to the government."

Toyotomi Hideyoshi, Shogun 29 August 1558

No wonder Wendy Cukier wants us to follow Japan.

[Saipan]

"The ideal citizen, of a tyrannical state, is the man or woman who bows

in silent obedience in exchange for the status of a well cared for herd

animal. Thinking people become the tyrant's greatest enemy."

- - - - Claire Wolfe