Islamic Demands for "Sensitivity" Over Cartoons Ring Hollow;

[Argus]

No they can't. When there was talk of the Muslims bringing in a Sharia court here in Ontario, the government said NOPE,

Let's not dismiss it as simple talk. The Ontario government was initially behind this and agreed to it. Only heavy adverse publicity got the timid McGuinty government to back off.

But it's kind of funny that Catholic, Jews and Christians had their own religious courts so they can be true to the faith, but yet deny the Muslims essentially the same 'right' when Sharia Law was making headway.

Perhaps because Christian and Jewish religious law is informed by centuries of progressive western thought while Sharia law is based on sixth century barbarism.

[Guest TrueMetis]

Perhaps because Christian and Jewish religious law is informed by centuries of progressive western thought while Sharia law is based on sixth century barbarism.

Nitpick 7th century. Though you don't understand the concept of interpretation do you? Sharia law isn't a set of rules in the Qur'an it's an interpretation based on the words and actions of Muhammad. So depending on the interpretation it can be very progressive or not progressive at all.

[DogOnPorch]

A bizarre interview, in many ways. This Imam is on the one extreme, and being interviewed by someone, who in certain ways represents the other extreme.

Choudary is not an 'real' Iman...though he acts like one. He's a follower of Omar Bakri Muhammad and is about as hardline as they come.

Edited October 31, 2010 by DogOnPorch

[GostHacked]

Let's not dismiss it as simple talk. The Ontario government was initially behind this and agreed to it. Only heavy adverse publicity got the timid McGuinty government to back off.

And now all of them lost their courts. The right move.

Perhaps because Christian and Jewish religious law is informed by centuries of progressive western thought while Sharia law is based on sixth century barbarism.

But yet we still can't seem to grow out of these religous rules and govern with our brains and reason. Because there really still is no separation of Church and State.

[Guest TrueMetis]

But yet we still can't seem to grow out of these religous rules and govern with our brains and reason. Because there really still is no separation of Church and State.

Bull we ignore 90% of religious rules and the other 10% were accepted long before religion existed. When's the last time you where fined for no honouring thy mother and father? Or coveting something of your neighbors?

[jbg]

A bit of Muslim sensitivity (link, excerpts below):

Bombs Were Designed to Destroy Planes, U.S. Believes

John O. Brennan, the president’s chief counterterrorism adviser, said Sunday that American authorities believe now that the two bombs found inside cargo packages were designed to blow up the airplanes carrying them, even though they were addressed to locations “associated with synagogues” in Chicago.

“We’re looking at the potential that they would have been detonated en route to those synagogues aboard the aircraft as well as at the destinations,” he said in an interview on CBS’s “Face the Nation.” “But at this point we, I think, would agree with the British that it looks as though they were designed to be detonated in flight.”

(snip)

[Sir Bandelot]

A bit of Muslim sensitivity (link, excerpts below):

Bombs Were Designed to Destroy Planes, U.S. Believes

John O. Brennan, the president’s chief counterterrorism adviser, said Sunday that American authorities believe now that the two bombs found inside cargo packages were designed to blow up the airplanes carrying them, even though they were addressed to locations “associated with synagogues” in Chicago.

WAIT- what the hell actually happened here? Why did Canadian Air Force jets attempt to intercept this plane from United Arab Emirates, claiming that it was not responding to radio communications from Air Traffic Control? Then when the plane flew over or near US airspace, American figher jets took over. This part of the story is now hard to find. Nect we hear that some cargo had an explosive chemical in it. Then, that the explosive was a bomb rigged to be remotely detonated. Then, not rigged to be remotely detonated, but could explode at any time. WTF, is it election time, or something

[jbg]

WAIT- what the hell actually happened here? Why did Canadian Air Force jets attempt to intercept this plane from United Arab Emirates, claiming that it was not responding to radio communications from Air Traffic Control? Then when the plane flew over or near US airspace, American figher jets took over. This part of the story is now hard to find. Nect we hear that some cargo had an explosive chemical in it. Then, that the explosive was a bomb rigged to be remotely detonated. Then, not rigged to be remotely detonated, but could explode at any time. WTF, is it election time, or something

Still, it's a good demonstration of the constructive ecumenical feelings of certain people.

[GostHacked]

WAIT- what the hell actually happened here? Why did Canadian Air Force jets attempt to intercept this plane from United Arab Emirates, claiming that it was not responding to radio communications from Air Traffic Control? Then when the plane flew over or near US airspace, American figher jets took over. This part of the story is now hard to find. Nect we hear that some cargo had an explosive chemical in it. Then, that the explosive was a bomb rigged to be remotely detonated. Then, not rigged to be remotely detonated, but could explode at any time. WTF, is it election time, or something

Bingo.

[GostHacked]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11666272

Turns out the guy who tipped them off was released from Gitmo some years ago. Something smells here. I think this guy is the bomb maker and not who the officials claim it is.

Jabr al-Faifi handed himself into authorities in Saudi Arabia two weeks ago, the officials told the BBC.

snip

He contacted Saudi government officials saying he wanted to return home and a handover was arranged through Yemen's government, interior ministry spokesman General Mansour al-Turki said.

Jabr al-Faifi is reported to be one of several former detainees from Guantanamo who were returned to Saudi Arabia for rehabilitation in December 2006.

So wait, was he released in Yemen, or Saudi Arabia?

And I guess there is a new batch of airport security measures around the corner.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/10/31/yemen.bomb.maker.asiri/index.html?hpt=T2

Turns out the guy who turned himself in, and the guy who is the mastermind, both were captured and sent to Gitmo, eventually being released back to Yemen.

Something stinks here.

[Argus]

Nitpick 7th century. Though you don't understand the concept of interpretation do you? Sharia law isn't a set of rules in the Qur'an it's an interpretation based on the words and actions of Muhammad. So depending on the interpretation it can be very progressive or not progressive at all.

It cannot be progressive by our western concepts of the term. By its nature it states outright that women have less value and fewer rights than men.

[Argus]

But yet we still can't seem to grow out of these religous rules and govern with our brains and reason. Because there really still is no separation of Church and State.

Riiiight, which is why Sunday is a holy day and no one is allowed to work, and why you're required to worship in Church at least once a week, and why pornography is banned and twelve year olds aren't allowed to wear thongs.

[GostHacked]

Riiiight, which is why Sunday is a holy day and no one is allowed to work, and why you're required to worship in Church at least once a week, and why pornography is banned and twelve year olds aren't allowed to wear thongs.

What is the message you are trying for here?

[Sir Bandelot]

What is the message you are trying for here?

He's saying that progressive liberalism ultimately leads to pedophilia, and he has the magazines to prove it.

[DogOnPorch]

He's saying that progressive liberalism ultimately leads to pedophilia, and he has the magazines to prove it.

wtf??

[DogOnPorch]

Baghdad church siege kills 52

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/11/01/iraq-suicide-bomb.html

Iraqi security forces stormed a Baghdad church where militants had taken an entire congregation hostage for four hours, leaving at least 52 people dead, including a priest, Iraqi officials said Monday.

[Sir Bandelot]

Baghdad church siege kills 52

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/11/01/iraq-suicide-bomb.html

"Mission Accomplished..."

[DogOnPorch]

"Mission Accomplished..."

Typical relativist slime blames those not involved for the deaths.

[Argus]

What is the message you are trying for here?

I would have thought that it was pretty obvious there is quite a large degree of separation between church and state.

[Sir Bandelot]

Typical relativist slime blames those not involved for the deaths.

Realist is the word. Let's just put Saddam back in the picture, see what would happen. This sort of violence was heavily suppressed and controlled, because, just as many of your own arguments constantly go, these people are violent even towards each other. As many detractors said during the Iraq war, you can't have democracy when there is no will to cooperation. The only way to have society with some measure of peace is through strict dictatorship. Under Saddam, no one was even allowed to fart in the streets. now, virtual lawlessness rules the land. But hey, ok, USA...

[GostHacked]

I would have thought that it was pretty obvious there is quite a large degree of separation between church and state.

There really is not a separation. Even our national anthem has God in it.

When you go to court, you gotta swear on the bible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and_Freedoms

The only values mentioned by the Charter's preamble are recognition for the supremacy of God and the rule of law, but these have been controversial and of minor legal consequence. In 1999, MP Svend Robinson brought forward a failed proposal before the Canadian House of Commons that would have amended the Charter by removing the mention of God, as he felt it did not reflect Canada's diversity.

The separation is only an illusion. This god character is supreme over all.

If we actually lived in a secular society that is supposed to have state separate from church, then the laws of said society would not mention god.

Edited November 1, 2010 by GostHacked

[DogOnPorch]

Realist is the word. Let's just put Saddam back in the picture, see what would happen. This sort of violence was heavily suppressed and controlled, because, just as many of your own arguments constantly go, these people are violent even towards each other. As many detractors said during the Iraq war, you can't have democracy when there is no will to cooperation. The only way to have society with some measure of peace is through strict dictatorship. Under Saddam, no one was even allowed to fart in the streets. now, virtual lawlessness rules the land. But hey, ok, USA...

You threaten myself with death, accuse Argus of child molestation and now you defend Saddam Hussein's brutal psycopathic regime. What a shocker.

[Sir Bandelot]

You threaten myself with death, accuse Argus of child molestation and now you defend Saddam Hussein's brutal psycopathic regime. What a shocker.

Yeah and you love it. Homerun every time baby. Boom! Boom! Boom!

[Guest TrueMetis]

It cannot be progressive by our western concepts of the term. By its nature it states outright that women have less value and fewer rights than men.

Uh no actually it doesn't, One of Muhammad's wives was also his most trusted advisor (can't recall which one) and the more progressive Islamic scholars use this to show women have all the rights of men. Again it;s all in the interpretation no different than interpreting the Charter. With the right (or wrong as the case may be) interpretation you can have entirely different results.

There really is not a separation. Even our national anthem has God in it.

When you go to court, you gotta swear on the bible.

No you can swear on the bible, or you can swear on your holy book, or you can just swear with no mention of religion at all.

[DogOnPorch]

Yeah and you love it. Homerun every time baby. Boom! Boom! Boom!

I imagine you'd just join the 30 day club if noticed.