bloodyminded Posted August 28, 2010 Author Report Posted August 28, 2010 (edited) No your gang certainly isn't. But the Mufti was quite real and very much in bed with the Nazis...bering one and all. Sure. It's not as the West has been allied with people objectively worse than any Palestinian group, and has been complicit in terrorism on a much larger scale. Oh, wait; yes they have. It's just that you defend the "right" terrorism. Edited August 28, 2010 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
scribblet Posted August 28, 2010 Report Posted August 28, 2010 I came across this excellent article on the subject of the Ground Zero Mosque, or the Cordoba Initiative, now renamed Park 51 for politically correct purposes. It speaks to the issue of silencing debate with accusations of racism etc. http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/2010/08/rhetorical-axes-and-park51 Assigned the task of silencing debate on the Park51 project, the press and the center-left punditry have decided to haul out the overused tar-brush of racism, by which they mean to depict 65 percent of all Americans—Americans who’ve lived quite peaceably with our Muslim population, with no mass lashing-out against women of cover, no desecration of mosques, no random acts of violence in the years following the attacks of 9/11—as “bigots,” “xenophobes,” and “Islamophobes.”This resorting to a knee-jerk superiority of sensibilities is itself a display of neurotic insecurity, but more importantly, it is the destructive and reckless swinging of an axe into the psyche of a fevered nation which desperately needs the attendance of a delicate physician, and a bit of rest, or her breakdown will become unsurvivable. Resistance to a proposed Islamic cultural center and mosque two blocks from Ground Zero is not about bigotry or xenophobia; the demonstrated tolerance of Americans during the last nine years belies those unhelpful charges. Rather, the rancor is an amalgam; it is constructed of built-up feelings of anger, powerlessness, indignation and—most potently—disillusioned self-awareness and resentment against ham-handed, disdainful leadership. Anger alone would be manageable. In our therapeutic culture we know that before a psych patient can get well, he needs to touch a needle to the crux of what is eating at him, like an interior boil-lancing, and sometimes it takes a lot of roundabout discourse and venting to locate it. Until the thing is touched upon, though, there is no chance of healing, just a general sense of disease, failure, and hurt. We could find it, lance it, and start healing. But America is being told—by the very people who have spent decades promoting the primacy of “feelings,” over thought, and who have declared that “a feeling is neither right or wrong”—to shut up, to not express its feelings, to not even have feelings, because those feelings are bad, stupid ones that are very, very wrong. cont... Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
bloodyminded Posted August 28, 2010 Author Report Posted August 28, 2010 (edited) I came across this excellent article on the subject of the Ground Zero Mosque, or the Cordoba Initiative, now renamed Park 51 for politically correct purposes. It speaks to the issue of silencing debate with accusations of racism etc. http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/2010/08/rhetorical-axes-and-park51 cont... That's actually a very poor argument, and indulges in the same trappings as blames on its targets. Consider this passage, worn and recycled from a thousand similarly ill-conceived writings before it: We could find it, lance it, and start healing. But America is being toldby the very people who have spent decades promoting the primacy of feelings, over thought, and who have declared that a feeling is neither right or wrongto shut up, to not express its feelings, to not even have feelings, because those feelings are bad, stupid ones that are very, very wrong. We're forced to leave the literal meaninglessness aside (ie that everyone on "the left"--for that is the target--are concerned only with "feelings," never with "thought) and read between the lines. What the author is saying is that, because of "the left," America cannot "heal." Not only is this the same sort of pop-psychology tripe that is implied about the article's ostensible targets--as if a nation is a similar entity to a human brain (yes, that's some deep "thought" engaged in here); it is also victimology, a cherished indulgence of the polemical sector of the political Right since the 1960s, and which grew into a ridiculous monster by the time of Reagan. Funniest of all...it is a thoroughgoing example of political correctness...the very thing the author no doubt mistakenly believes that he despises. "If it weren't for the left....." "The left! The left! The left! The left! The left!" (Everyone to the left of Pinochet, incidentally, is "the left.") Some people never get tired of their petty, misconcieved obssessions, evidently. Or their easy default position of political correctness. Or, perhaps, this is all satire, none of it meant seriously, which will be clarified in part two. Edited August 28, 2010 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
DogOnPorch Posted August 28, 2010 Report Posted August 28, 2010 Sure. It's not as the West has been allied with people objectively worse than any Palestinian group, and has been complicit in terrorism on a much larger scale. Oh, wait; yes they have. It's just that you defend the "right" terrorism. I don't really care why you hate Canada. But I continue to note your relativist ways. DOP: Nazis are bad.bloodbath: We're far worse. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bloodyminded Posted August 28, 2010 Author Report Posted August 28, 2010 I don't really care why you hate Canada. But I continue to note your relativist ways. You're the one who defends terrorism, while I condemn it. Evidently you're the relativist. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
DogOnPorch Posted August 28, 2010 Report Posted August 28, 2010 You're the one who defends terrorism, while I condemn it. Yeah right. I'm always going on about how terrorism is a good thing... Evidently you're the relativist. You're the one refering to Canada as a terrorist nation. Meanwhile, I wonder how many of your pals they'll arrest over this latest Islamic terror plot? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dre Posted August 30, 2010 Report Posted August 30, 2010 Looks like another US mosque might have been firebombed. I wonder where DOP, Shady, and American Woman were at the time of the fire? http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/29/feds-investigate-fire-at-site-of-future-tennessee-mosque/?hpt=T2 Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Bonam Posted August 30, 2010 Report Posted August 30, 2010 (edited) Looks like another US mosque might have been firebombed. I wonder where DOP, Shady, and American Woman were at the time of the fire? http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/29/feds-investigate-fire-at-site-of-future-tennessee-mosque/?hpt=T2 Mosque? All there was at the site was an "earth-mover" and some trucks. Where is your quest for precision and accuracy now? I mean, if you decry people for calling something a "ground zero mosque" when it's actually two blocks away, you'd think you'd avoid calling some construction equipment a "mosque". Oh well. Guess accuracy goes out the window when the tables are turned eh? Edited August 30, 2010 by Bonam Quote
dre Posted August 30, 2010 Report Posted August 30, 2010 Mosque? All there was at the site was an "earth-mover" and some trucks. Where is your quest for precision and accuracy now? I mean, if you decry people for calling something a "ground zero mosque" when it's actually two blocks away, you'd think you'd avoid calling some construction equipment a "mosque". Oh well. Guess accuracy goes out the window when the tables are turned eh? I meant Mosque Site as the article mentions. Nice tirade though. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Bonam Posted August 30, 2010 Report Posted August 30, 2010 (edited) I meant Mosque Site as the article mentions. Nice tirade though. Yes, I'm sure that's what you "meant" by cleverly omitting the term "site" in your previous post. But I mean, we're all imperfect and can forget words once in a while, I'm sure. Kind of like we can forget and call it the Two blocks away from Ground Zero Mosque and Islamic center? Edited August 30, 2010 by Bonam Quote
dre Posted August 30, 2010 Report Posted August 30, 2010 Yes, I'm sure that's what you "meant" by cleverly omitting the term "site" in your previous post. But I mean, we're all imperfect and can forget words once in a while, I'm sure. Kind of like we can forget and call it the Two blocks away from Ground Zero Mosque and Islamic center? I'm sure that's what you "meant" by cleverly omitting the term "site" No thats horseshit... I didnt clevery ommitt anything. I innadvertantly left out the fact this is a Mosque Site, not a mosque. Kind of like we can forget and call it the Two blocks away from Ground Zero Mosque and Islamic center? No thats more horseshit... When you pointed out my error I admitted my description was wrong. Anti Mosque zealots are STILL claiming the mosque is on ground zero. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Bonam Posted August 30, 2010 Report Posted August 30, 2010 No thats more horseshit... Hopefully you've realized how inane this type of nitpicking can be... Quote
dre Posted August 30, 2010 Report Posted August 30, 2010 Hopefully you've realized how inane this type of nitpicking can be... I dont think its inane. I think I made a pretty serious error there. Its good that you pointed it out (though not necessary to be a dick about it). I dont think its nitpicking to point out that the NYC mosque isnt on ground zero either. Especially when people are making claims like "mega mosque towering over 911 memorial!!!". The proposed community center is about 4 blocks from the memorial, and wont be visible from there at all. Facts matter. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
DogOnPorch Posted August 30, 2010 Report Posted August 30, 2010 Looks like another US mosque might have been firebombed. I wonder where DOP, Shady, and American Woman were at the time of the fire? http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/29/feds-investigate-fire-at-site-of-future-tennessee-mosque/?hpt=T2 Such a loser. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dre Posted August 30, 2010 Report Posted August 30, 2010 Such a loser. Seriously... where were you? Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
DogOnPorch Posted August 30, 2010 Report Posted August 30, 2010 Seriously... where were you? So you're accusing me of arson? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
jbg Posted August 30, 2010 Report Posted August 30, 2010 It's much harder to stop the Fascist Chinese because of the creeping economic dominance that seems to go on with a large cadre of cheerleaders in the West.I would also point out that in the developing world,the Chinese model of Fascist authoritarianism holds alot more sway than any Western democracy.I know from personal experience that in Sub-Saharan Africa,over the last 15 years there is increasing Chinese aid in things like infrastructure and military support than anything coming from Europe and North America.The reason is fairly simple...The authoritiarian regimes in Sub-Saharan Africa are not interested in democracy,but they are interested in the Chinese developmental model over the last 25 years.Add all of that international sway,and the more important increasing Chinese nationalism,and you have the biggest threat to democracy on the planet... The Islamofascists are tiny gnats,by comparison... You still haven't told me anything I should be afraid of. Honestly, I don't give a damn if some sub-Saharan regimes choose to follow the "Chinese developmental model" instead of a Western democratic model. China isn't about to directly interfere with democracy in or act militarily against America or Europe. "Islamofascists", on the other hand, have struck at the US, Europe, and Israel repeatedly and will continue to do so. I'm O.K. with sub-Saharan thugs leaders doing anything they want. Will the Chinese, as opposed to the U.N. (the U.N. being largely funded by the U.S., Canada, Britain and Japan) supply sub-Saharan Africa with the aid they need or will the tin cup be shaken at us? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted August 30, 2010 Report Posted August 30, 2010 Are you outraged that the American, Australian, UK, and Canadian governments (and possibly other Western powers) were materially and knowingly involved in one of the worst acts of massive state terrorism of the second half of the 20th century, in direct support of Indonesia?How many suicide bombings were conducted by the "American, Australian, UK, and Canadian governments"? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
dre Posted August 30, 2010 Report Posted August 30, 2010 So you're accusing me of arson? Not at all. Its a little early to say "suspect" at this point. Id describe you as a "person of interest". Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted August 30, 2010 Report Posted August 30, 2010 How many suicide bombings were conducted by the "American, Australian, UK, and Canadian governments"? Suicide bombings arent the only kind of terrorism. Any activity that uses fear to bring about a political object is terrorism. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
DogOnPorch Posted August 30, 2010 Report Posted August 30, 2010 How many suicide bombings were conducted by the "American, Australian, UK, and Canadian governments"? The fellow thinks Canada and the US are responsible for Indonesia's problems. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted August 30, 2010 Report Posted August 30, 2010 Not at all. Its a little early to say "suspect" at this point. Id describe you as a "person of interest". These are serious accusations you've made against myself and other posters here at Mapleleaf. I'd suggest you take it back and say you're sorry. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 30, 2010 Report Posted August 30, 2010 Suicide bombings arent the only kind of terrorism. Any activity that uses fear to bring about a political object is terrorism. So political campaign ads or signs are terrorism? Amazing! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dre Posted August 30, 2010 Report Posted August 30, 2010 These are serious accusations you've made against myself and other posters here at Mapleleaf. I'd suggest you take it back and say you're sorry. No actually they arent serious accusations at all. Nor are they even accusations. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Jack Weber Posted August 30, 2010 Report Posted August 30, 2010 I'm O.K. with sub-Saharan thugs leaders doing anything they want. Will the Chinese, as opposed to the U.N. (the U.N. being largely funded by the U.S., Canada, Britain and Japan) supply sub-Saharan Africa with the aid they need or will the tin cup be shaken at us? What happens in Africa and Latin American,as it relates to Chinese involvment,is something like this... They will lend them expertise to build a bridge,or a road(just examples),or military assistance for access to the natural resources in the ground...What the Chinese do differently than the West is that they don't demand that these governments do anything aboutthings like corruption,or human rights abuses etc... Couple this with the spying the Chinese do in the realms of military intelligence,industrial,economic,and,cyber espionage and I'd love someone to tell me how the tin pot Islamofascists are the main threat to Western liberal democracy? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
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