eyeball Posted August 11, 2010 Report Posted August 11, 2010 (edited) Lots of coast guard resources around here these days, yesterday I saw the HMCS Whitehorse cruise into our sound before it steamed off into the southwest. If I was a good upstanding conservative and I was given the job of dealing with them I'd just hook a towline onto the Sun Sea and haul it's sorry ass straight back to Sri Lanka. Somehow I suspect however that despite all their hoopla over sending refugee/terrorists straight back to where they came from that the Conservatives will tow them into Vancouver or Victoria and then spend tens of millions in vain trying to get rid of them. The Fraser Regional Correctional Centre in Maple Ridge, B.C. is preparing to house the refuge claimants once they arrive in Canada. Told you so So I wonder how many inmates had to be given early parole or some such thing to make room for the claimants? I guess crackin' down and gettin' tough is harder than it looks. It's weird how the Conservatives can get away with being so soft on crime, terror and immigration and what have you while sounding so tough. Who are they trying to fool anyway? Edited August 11, 2010 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Argus Posted August 11, 2010 Report Posted August 11, 2010 Lots of coast guard resources around here these days, yesterday I saw the HMCS Whitehorse cruise into our sound before it steamed off into the southwest. If I was a good upstanding conservative and I was given the job of dealing with them I'd just hook a towline onto the Sun Sea and haul it's sorry ass straight back to Sri Lanka. Somehow I suspect however that despite all their hoopla over sending refugee/terrorists straight back to where they came from that the Conservatives will tow them into Vancouver or Victoria and then spend tens of millions in vain trying to get rid of them. They don't have the balls to do anything that the "international community" will criticize them for. Though nothing shows the ineptness of our laws and our ability to control who comes into our country as much as hearing reports of this ship for literally WEEKS and knowing the government can do absolutely nothing to stop it from coming here, and unloading its cargo. Furthermore, once it unloads its cargo, the government can do NOTHING to keep them in jail, and can not send them back home. Everyone on that ship will wind up on welfare in and around Toronto within the next three months. Just like the last boat, and just like the next one. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
capricorn Posted August 11, 2010 Report Posted August 11, 2010 Everyone on that ship will wind up on welfare in and around Toronto within the next three months. Just like the last boat, and just like the next one. But first, the migrants will be treated to first class medical care, compliments of the Canadian taxpayers. Preparations to deal with incoming illegal migrants from Sri Lanka are underway at Victoria General Hospital.The unused seventh floor is being re-opened and can accommodate up to about 75 people. The former emergency ward will also be used. It is expected many of the people who have been on board the ship since it left Thailand in May will be in poor health. A secured fenced area is also visible at the former emergency department entrance. http://www.vancouversun.com/news/thewest/Victoria+General+Hospital+prepares+treat+illegal+migrants/3386270/story.html Is it any wonder they abandon their homeland and risk life and limb to come to Hotel Canada? Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
capricorn Posted August 12, 2010 Report Posted August 12, 2010 Ugh! Looks like BC medical services will have to deal with TB cases. Two sources have told the Toronto Star that it’s unclear how many of the migrants on board the MV Sun Sea are sick with TB. An estimated 300 to 500 Tamils are believed to be on board the cargo ship which has been at sea since at least April.On Wednesday afternoon, cleanup crews on a previously closed ward on the 7th floor of the Victoria General Hospital were hauling away bags of towels and linens and sanitizing rooms. One of the sources said a number of migrants on board are very sick and will need to be hospitalized and quarantined as soon as they land on Canadian shores. The ward can be accessed through a separate entrance at the hospital. Another source said at least 100 beds have been readied for the most sick. All of the migrants, who officials are expecting to make refugee claims, will undergo a rigorous health examination in an isolated area as they disembark. http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/846938--hospital-prepares-for-tamil-migrants?bn=1 TB is fairly well treated and contained. But one of these days we might not be so lucky. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
eyeball Posted August 12, 2010 Author Report Posted August 12, 2010 (edited) They don't have the balls to do anything that the "international community" will criticize them for. They seem to have balls the size of icebreakers when it comes doing things many if not most Canadians criticize routinely. Though nothing shows the ineptness of our laws and our ability to control who comes into our country as much as hearing reports of this ship for literally WEEKS and knowing the government can do absolutely nothing to stop it from coming here, and unloading its cargo. And yet look at the power of our government to override not just our own laws but international laws when it comes to abetting the torture and illegal trial of Canadian child soldiers. Furthermore, once it unloads its cargo, the government can do NOTHING to keep them in jail, and can not send them back home. Everyone on that ship will wind up on welfare in and around Toronto within the next three months. Just like the last boat, and just like the next one. Sucks to be us eh? Edited August 12, 2010 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
capricorn Posted August 12, 2010 Report Posted August 12, 2010 And yet look at the power of our government to override not just our own laws but international laws when it comes to abetting the torture and illegal trial of Canadian child soldiers. Canadian child soldiers? You mean there are other Omar Khadrs out there? Sucks to be us eh? It may not suck but it sure as hell is expensive. I think we should just establish our own newfangled Ellis Island and Botany Bay type of government service on our west coast. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Bonam Posted August 12, 2010 Report Posted August 12, 2010 What we should do is give fair warning, then if it strays any closer despite the warning, blow the the whole damn boat up. No one gave permission for it to come here. Boom, one such action, and illegal immigrants won't be lining up for the boat ride to Canada any more, to leech off our society. Of course, what we actually will do will be the complete opposite. Quote
eyeball Posted August 12, 2010 Author Report Posted August 12, 2010 Canadian child soldiers? You mean there are other Omar Khadrs out there? He's just the first. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted August 12, 2010 Author Report Posted August 12, 2010 What we should do is give fair warning, then if it strays any closer despite the warning, blow the the whole damn boat up. No one gave permission for it to come here. Boom, one such action, and illegal immigrants won't be lining up for the boat ride to Canada any more, to leech off our society. Of course, what we actually will do will be the complete opposite. 10$ says you'll still vote for Harper. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Bonam Posted August 12, 2010 Report Posted August 12, 2010 10$ says you'll still vote for Harper. If you can show me a better alternative, I'd gladly vote for it. I am no conservative partisan. Will Ignatieff clamp down harder on illegal immigrants? Will Layton? May? Quote
Argus Posted August 12, 2010 Report Posted August 12, 2010 They seem to have balls the size of icebreakers when it comes doing things many if not most Canadians criticize routinely. You're talking about Canadians who would criticize them if they breathed. Most of the "controbersial" things they've done were done either before they had any clue they would be controversial, or were only controversial because of how inept they are at managing messages. And yet look at the power of our government to override not just our own laws but international laws when it comes to abetting the torture and illegal trial of Canadian child soldiers. I don't know of any situation which relates to the above. No doubt, you're referring to the Arab religious wacko who was arrested for kiling an American but I don't consider him a Canadian in any way, shape or form. However, I would point out that the mentality evidenced by the Khadrs is alive and thriving among the Tamil population, both here and in the far east. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 12, 2010 Report Posted August 12, 2010 What we should do is give fair warning, then if it strays any closer despite the warning, blow the the whole damn boat up. No one gave permission for it to come here. Boom, one such action, and illegal immigrants won't be lining up for the boat ride to Canada any more, to leech off our society. Of course, what we actually will do will be the complete opposite. The US tows such boats back out to sea, the ones that come from Cuba and south American. But we're too "nice" for that. Btw, according to the media there are now two more ships full of Tamils on the way. The word has gotten around. Just get here and you automatically get citizenship, welfare, a free house, etc. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted August 12, 2010 Author Report Posted August 12, 2010 You're talking about Canadians who would criticize them if they breathed. Most of the "controbersial" things they've done were done either before they had any clue they would be controversial, or were only controversial because of how inept they are at managing messages. I agree that Conservatives are inept and don't have a clue about what they're doing or why so many things they do become controversial. I don't know of any situation which relates to the above. No doubt, you're referring to the Arab religious wacko who was arrested for kiling an American but I don't consider him a Canadian in any way, shape or form. It doesn't matter what you think, the fact remains Khadr is Canadian and was a child when he was illegally indoctrinated into becoming a soldier by religious wackos. However, I would point out that the mentality evidenced by the Khadrs is alive and thriving among the Tamil population, both here and in the far east. You mean the mentality evidenced by religious wackos. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
capricorn Posted August 13, 2010 Report Posted August 13, 2010 A lawyer who has heard from family members of people on the ship say dozens of children could be on board the vessel.“There's a large number of children, children under 13,” said Lorne Waldman, who represented many of the Sri Lankan migrants that arrived in a similar way last October. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/canadian-authorities-intercept-tamil-ship/article1670700/ Here's what Martin Collacott, a former High Commissioner to Sri Lanka and critic of Canada's refugee and immigration system, said on Canada AM today. Martin Collacott says Canada is a generous and giving country, which tends to accept many more refugees than its Western world counterparts."We accept about 50 per cent of people who manage to reach our soil and make refugee claims. The average for other countries is around 15 per cent, so your chances of getting accepted in Canada are much greater," Collacott told CTV's Canada AM from Vancouver on Thursday morning. "And even if you're turned down, the chances are we won't be able to remove you. We remove a few, but we've had people who have been turned down 20 years ago, but are still appealing." Refugees are given state-funded lawyers, welfare and health care, which leaves the Canadian system as "the Rolls Royce of claiming refugee status," Collacott said. For Tamil people, Canada is an especially desirable destination because of its large Tamil population and the high-rate of success for Tamil migrants over the years. "We took 37,000 refugee claimants from Sri Lanka over one 15-year period, more than from any other country in the world," Collacott said. "Our acceptance rates were much higher. In 2003, for example, Britain accepted 2 per cent of claims from Sri Lankan Tamils; Germany, 4 per cent; Canada, 76 per cent. So, if you can get to Canada to make your claim, it's like winning the lottery." http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/CanadaAM/20100812/refugee-system-tamils-canada-100812/ So every refugee claimant that Waldman picks up assures that he will represent the claimant for up to 20 years. I doubt many of those refugees can dish out Waldman's fees after having handed over their life savings to the smugglers. (I heard some paid $40K to get on the ship.) That means the government picks up his tab. And another thing. All of Waldman's claimants that are cleared to stay in Canada, most probably he gets to handle their cases for family reunification. As we can see from Waldman's comments at the top of this post, looks like word of mouth and referrals ensure he'll never be out of work. Quite the enterprise he and others like him have got going. Lottery winners, all of them. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Moonlight Graham Posted August 13, 2010 Report Posted August 13, 2010 (edited) We should have met their ship at sea, given them all refugee application papers, then turned them around and waved goodbye and good luck. Heck maybe give them some food and med supplies just to be nice. This is a spit in the face to all the other people trying to get into Canada through the regular processes. What fools they are! They'll learn now that all they have to do is show up in a boat and we'll trot them in & stick a silver spoon in their mouths...even before the tongue-depressor. What a bunch of B.S. Also read on CBC.ca today that it costs taxpayers $4,100 to process a single refugee claim. That seems...excessive. Edited August 13, 2010 by Moonlight Graham Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Argus Posted August 13, 2010 Report Posted August 13, 2010 (edited) I agree that Conservatives are inept and don't have a clue about what they're doing or why so many things they do become controversial. They are actually governing fairly well, all things considered, certainly better than the Liberals did. It is in communications where they are inept. It doesn't matter what you think, the fact remains Khadr is Canadian and was a child when he was illegally indoctrinated into becoming a soldier by religious wackos. What about Khadr is Canadian? His documents? The guy probably can't speak English. If he arrived in Canada tomorrow he would be no more familiar with its geography, customs, people and language than anyone plucked off the streets of Kabul, Shanghai or Timbucktu. His parents were not Canadian and neither is he. Declaring him one doesn't make it so. You mean the mentality evidenced by religious wackos. I mean the mentality of fanaticism. The Tamils practically invented suicide bombing. Edited August 13, 2010 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 13, 2010 Report Posted August 13, 2010 Also read on CBC.ca today that it costs taxpayers $4,100 to process a single refugee claim. That seems...excessive. It's not much compared to the cost of their lawyers for the appeals, or the cost of their welfare, as few have the language, education or job skills to get employment in Canada, and the cost of their health care. Not to mention the cost then to process in their relatives who will also go on welfare. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted August 13, 2010 Author Report Posted August 13, 2010 I imagine some of our 1st Nation's people are having a good chuckle at the spectacle of fear, loathing and outrage the suddenly galvanized pink people's of Canada are putting on. No doubt Harper is rubbing his hands in anticipation of a little bump in the polls. We of course can expect a bunch of yadda yadda about crackin' down and gettin' tough and corresponding support from the *ever-fearful-of-appearing-soft Liberals. The real losers will probably be the refugee claimants who follow the so-called legal route. I firmly predict all sorts of new impediments to these will be inserted amongst whatever it is the government proposes to use against the so-called illegal migrants. *By the way, does anyone know of a single word for ever-fearful-of-appearing-soft? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted August 13, 2010 Author Report Posted August 13, 2010 What about Khadr is Canadian? He was born here for starters. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Sir Bandelot Posted August 13, 2010 Report Posted August 13, 2010 What about Khadr is Canadian? His documents? The guy probably can't speak English. If he arrived in Canada tomorrow he would be no more familiar with its geography, customs, people and language than anyone plucked off the streets of Kabul, Shanghai or Timbucktu. His parents were not Canadian and neither is he. Declaring him one doesn't make it so. Apparently he was born and went to school in Toronto. A technicality for some, yes. But given the rising number of people who are non-white, non-Anglo Saxon descent in Canada, the question must soon be, what about you is Canadian... Quote
DFCaper Posted August 13, 2010 Report Posted August 13, 2010 Apparently he was born and went to school in Toronto. A technicality for some, yes. But given the rising number of people who are non-white, non-Anglo Saxon descent in Canada, the question must soon be, what about you is Canadian... I thought he was home schooled to make sure that he remained only a documented Canadian and to remain appalled by all things Canadian? Our refugee system is obsolete. With the shinking globe, we need to adjust to the new reality. This is just another example of our Government not changing with the times. Quote "Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it" - Hellen Keller "Success is not measured by the heights one attains, but by the obstacles one overcomes in its attainment" - Booker T. Washington
eyeball Posted August 13, 2010 Author Report Posted August 13, 2010 With the shinking globe, we need to adjust to the new reality. This is just another example of our Government not changing with the times. Our government's idea of changing with the times is to go backwards. Mr. Harper’s priorities bring back images of a 1950s Canada. There’s a big focus on family values, pride in the armed forces, the monarchy, the Arctic, law and order, hockey, unintrusive government, low taxes. The vision is the true north strong and free and – with respect to its supreme ruler – on bended knee.Source It's kinda creepy how you capitalized the word government. Did you do that out of supreme respect or something? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
DogOnPorch Posted August 13, 2010 Report Posted August 13, 2010 (edited) I imagine some of our 1st Nation's people are having a good chuckle at the spectacle of fear, loathing and outrage the suddenly galvanized pink people's of Canada are putting on. What a racist statement this is. You're suggesting it is only white Canadians that are upset about this boat full of ILLEGAL immigrants/terrorists/human smugglers? I'd suggest that nearly all Canadians are upset at this as a whole. "Excepting" you, of course. The $40 thousand or so these folks paid to climb aboard tells me... a] They have something to hide as 40Gs buys several first class cruise ship tickets not to mention numerous airline tickets. b] The Sri Lankan government is helping all this move along. Sri Lanka: Go to Canada...you'll be welcomed. More ships will be coming. Convoys, I imagine. Edited August 13, 2010 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Moonlight Graham Posted August 13, 2010 Report Posted August 13, 2010 *By the way, does anyone know of a single word for ever-fearful-of-appearing-soft? wuss? Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Jack Weber Posted August 13, 2010 Report Posted August 13, 2010 What a racist statement this is. You're suggesting it is only white Canadians that are upset about this boat full of ILLEGAL immigrants/terrorists/human smugglers? I'd suggest that nearly all Canadians are upset at this as a whole. "Excepting" you, of course. The $40 thousand or so these folks paid to climb aboard tells me... a] They have something to hide as 40Gs buys several first class cruise ship tickets not to mention numerous airline tickets. b] The Sri Lankan government is helping all this move along. More ships will be coming. Convoys, I imagine. I've thought about that,too... Ethnic cleansing by way of forced migration...The problem is that many of those that are being forced are bloodthirsty killers...But then again,so is the Sinhilese governemnt... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
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