CONSERVATIVES DON'T FORGET HARRIS AND MULRONEY

[Stoker]

I got one of my wise friends from Quebec to translate it into something you may understand:

You know a real live Frenchmen What is he kept in the Calgary Zoo?

[Argus]

I am using the Internet to ask this freely: Has Stephen Harper ever met Paul Desmarais?

There are honest journalists who use the Internet. Please tell us and make this known. I think it matters.

Cohen? Wells? Kinsella? Spector? Steyn? David Olive? Lysiane Gagnon? Chantel Hebert? Greg Oliver? Richard Gwyn?

Answer, please.

Are you on crack or something, August?

[Argus]

Let us not forget the Conservatives in Ontario and The Damage they caused to our Economy--They Said One thing and gave us something altogether Different with their Lies and Deceit--

Geeze, we finally found someone who makes takeanumber seem rational. Joseph-13 - I take it that's your age, right?

Hey, cracker boy, what the Harris Conservatives are best known for is doing exactly what they promised people they'd do.

They Gave Ontario  A Huge Deficit and Lied to Ontarians about it!!!-

No, they took a huge deficit they got from the NDP and balanced the books. Then, in the last year, in large measure due to SARS, mad cow, the blackout, etc., the had a deficit. It wasn't tiny, but it wasn't nearly as large as the Liberals are pretending, nor nearly as large as the one the Liberals will leave us with.

The rest of your barely literate squawling rant is so without merit or point that I don't feel the need to even answer it. I suggest you go back to junior high and finish your education, then get back to us.

[Goldie]

August1991

I know Warren Knows Harper and he should know if he has ever met Desmarais. I personally would guess NO.

[JohnMathew2]

You Obviously Are Deluded --You Don"t Know anything About Historical Ties To Corporate Canada By the Conservatives--If You Think There For You-Your Dreamin!!!Did they bring in any of our Social Programs --- NO--The Liberals And NDP did-All of them....

[Stoker]

You Obviously Are Deluded --You Don"t Know anything About Historical Ties To Corporate Canada By the Conservatives--If You Think There For You-Your Dreamin!!!Did they bring in any of our Social Programs --- NO--The Liberals And NDP did-All of them....

Since nobody else is going to, I'll dumb down for you:

Did you ever think that, unlike the Liberals and NDP, the Conservatives believe that adults should be treated as adults, Hence, most adults are more then able to look after themselves and don't require big government to hold their hand all the time.

[JohnMathew2]

Don"T Forget Harper Is Just a New Face on the Alliance Party--He"S Just Like Manning and And Stockwell Dey.,..

[Kliege]

Who is this idiot? He makes no clear statements of give facts to back them up.

[August1991]

Don"T Forget Harper Is Just a New Face on the Alliance Party--He"S Just Like Manning and And Stockwell Dey.,..

You May Have a ValiD Point JoE but But Can You justifY iT?

[Slavik44]

Who is this idiot? He makes no clear statements of give facts to back them up.

ah reckon they git these sayin's off of a liberal site o' sumpin, alien brainwarshin', zombies, clones mebbe?

[caesar]

British Columbians; Listen to Harper; he sounds just like Gordon Campbell. Realize this; G Campbell may have hi-jacked the liberal party but he is not really a Liberal; his policies are like those of the New Conservatives. We will have even worse Health Care if Harper is elected and he will be butt kissing American interests. The rich will get richer and middle income people and seniors will go broke.

[August1991]

Caesar, you're just another chicken-little, sky-falling, scare-monger. Sorry, but your schtick doesn't work anymore with ordinary voters.

[Stoker]

British Columbians; Listen to Harper; he sounds just like Gordon Campbell. Realize this; G Campbell may have hi-jacked the liberal party but he is not really a Liberal; his policies are like those of the New Conservatives. We will have even worse Health Care if Harper is elected and he will be butt kissing American interests. The rich will get richer and middle income people and seniors will go broke.

IMHO, Campbell is an idiot........the whole drunk driving thing and all......Even though I'd like to see sombody of Kleins mold as premeir of BC, I'll give Campbell his dues, at least he is trying to change the direction this province was starting to go after years of the NDP.....and the fact of the mater, people are afraid of change........I'd prefer a proper Conservative Government in BC (but I won't hold my breath), but I'd rather have Campbell then the NDP....hell I'd rather the Greens before the NDP

[JohnMathew2]

Conservates are Liars--Harris in Ontario said he would never close Hospitals--His Record-he Closed and or Merged 36 of them in Ontario!!!!-Fact --Don"t Believe Harper OR Trust him with our Health Care System!!!Or Pray you Never Get Sick!

[August1991]

Conservates are Liars--Harris in Ontario said he would never close Hospitals--His Record-he Closed and or Merged 36 of them in Ontario!!!!-FactDon"t Believe Harper OR Trust him with our Health Care System!!!Or Pray you Never Get Sick!

IF you are Brainless LIKE me the only THing to DO Is Vote Liberal. JOIn the IDiots Of this World!

[playfullfellow]

Conservates are Liars--Harris in Ontario said he would never close Hospitals--His Record-he Closed and or Merged 36 of them in Ontario!!!!-Fact --Don"t Believe Harper OR Trust him with our Health Care System!!!Or Pray you Never Get Sick!

Hmmmmmmmmm, I kind of think of myself as a conservative and according to your train of thought, you just called me a liar. I haven't really seen anything yet that would suggest the Conservatives are going to do away with our health care system. Touching the health care system is as good as sudden death in this country. Each party has their own idea on how it should be run but fundamentally, no party is brave or stupid enough to deny Canadians decent health care. The health care system surely needs to be tweaked to improve efficiency whether this is done by more money or by getting rid of the fat cats and wasting money. Just keep in mind that Martin was the one that cut the transfer funds to the provinces, even the provinces which can not afford the rising costs, yet Mr. Martin insists that the provinces can afford to pay for their own health care costs through increasing provincial taxes. Sounds like passing the buck to me and not accepting the blame for his cuts to the system.

[Sully]

British Columbians; Listen to Harper; he sounds just like Gordon Campbell. Realize this; G Campbell may have hi-jacked the liberal party but he is not really a Liberal; his policies are like those of the New Conservatives. We will have even worse Health Care if Harper is elected and he will be butt kissing American interests. The rich will get richer and middle income people and seniors will go broke.

Why will we have worse health care if Harper is elected, you have made that point now back it up.

Personally I think Harper will be the only politician with the balls to reform the dying system before it collapses.

Or you can go with Layton and Martin and buy into all the buzz words and money that they throw at you about health care, "INNOVATION" (one that seems to go hand hand in hand with the NDP agenda, I just wish someone could explain to me what that innovation is). Martin will spend his billions (which magically fall from the sky) on health care with no agenda for significant reform, wow already he is showing that Liberals will continue to blow taxpayers dollars if re-elected.

There is no comparison between the tax cut under the BC Liberals to the Federal tax cut under the potential Conservative party.

With the Federal Tax Cut, the money would come from the reduction of wasteful spending (we all should know what programs I am talking about here), the surpluses that Canada is sitting on our suspected to be larger than what the Liberals say they are. Therefore a tax cut would be beneficial and most Canadians would like more of their own money to spend rather than sending it to Ottawa. The comparison of tax cuts between Harper and Campbell is like comparing apples and oranges.

I do not buy into the butt kisssing of Americans that you state, but I think a good relationship with them is vital to a healthy economy.

I do not like Campbell, but a poorly led Liberal party is better than a well run NDP party any day of the week.

[caesar]

Harper is talking the same type of cuts as does Campbell in BC. Union jobs are being destroyed and cheap unproven labour is being used in hospitals In BC seniors are paying much more for their prescriptions. We are not wealthy but now have to pay 1500 of our prescriptions. We pay the first 1100 with no help. My son has been waiting 3 months to make an appointment with a specialist for an injured knee. Suspected torn cartilage. He is paying 300 to 400 a month for physio without even having an MRI to diagnose his problem. For ALL WE KNOW; this physio could be doing more damage rather than help. In BC; eye checks are no longer paid for unless you are 62. And premiums were increased.

As for the tax cuts; they have been recovered 10 x over by increasing gas taxes as well as increases in any other liscensing fees.

We need not waste our time courting favour with USA until that country comes under more reasonable leadership.

Campbell has made many health care items no longer covered such as chiropractors; eye exams, physiotherapy.

My son had to pay for a private clinic to do a colonoscopy for a suspected cancerous tumour. He would have had to wait 3 months to see a specialist under our present system. It did turn out to be non-existent but if he could not have paid privately; that would have preyed on his mind. If Harper privatizes many wervices; we will have to pay the full cost or wait for too long for government coverage. We are paying high premiums for this coverage; we should get reasonable services.

[caesar]

What wasteful spending do you refer to? Gun control. I would like to see it go forth. It is special interest groups that protest and try to put up road blocks that add to the cost of these programs. We all register our cars; why should we not be required to register our guns. It is no big deal for anyone with nothing to hide. We don't want this country flooded with guns; children accidently shooting themselves and others or trouble youths getting their hands of this weapons and shooting up schools.

[playfullfellow]

Gun control is a farse, this law only effectively made 1000's of honest Canadians criminals. It is a law that most police will not even enforce because it is ridiculous. Heck, prosecutors won't even prosecute people who are turned in by friends as havig a non-registered gun in their homes. If this law was serious, why have natives been excluded from having to register their guns? Beisides, legitimate gunowners don't have anything to hide, criminals do but in all reality, do you think a criminal will register his gun before going to rob a bank? I doubt it very much. This country was not being overrun with gun touting screaming lunatics before this law was enacted. I think harsher sentences for criminals who use a weapon during the commission of a crime would benefit the public more.

There are plenty of other programs too that could have the fat trimmed off of them. Funding for the CBC, funding to starving artists, funding to special rights groups and the list keeps going and going.

[caesar]

Gun control is not a farce. We do not want to become a gun toting nation like our neighbours. No one needs to become a criminal; just do their duty and register their guns. It doesn't hurt an honest person one twit to register their guns.

Anyone who refuses to register their firearms should not be allowed to own guns; as should anyone who does not store them safely to make them difficult to fall into the hands of children or criminals.

Registration does not deny anyone who requires a gun from owning one. We all have our cars registered; didn't hurt a bit. Gun lobbying groups should just cooperate and not try to undo this law by protesting and driving up costs If enforcing stronger gun laws save one child's life; it is worth doing.

[Argus]

What wasteful spending do you refer to?  Gun control.  I would like to see it go forth.  It is special interest groups that protest and try to put up road blocks that add to the cost of these programs.

Special interest groups, yeah, like those damned taxpayers!

And what drives up the cost is incompetence and corruption. It's a useless program which is a big waste of money. Far better if that money had gone towards hiring more cops or putting more criminals in jail.

[Argus]

Gun control is not a farce.  We do not want to become a gun toting nation like our neighbours.

The long gun registry has nothing to do with gun control. It was designed as a placebo the Liberals could point to when people asked why they were doing nothing about crime. It has no other real purpose.

If stronger gun laws save one child it is worth it

Hmm, how many children's lives could have been saved if we'd spent the billion or two we threw into the toilet on gun registration on health and child care?

If you want stronger gun laws then the laws should target those who misuse guns, you know, criminals.

[Sully]

Firstly Caesar people already registered their guns prior to this implemented gun registry but now you can have a sticker on your gun to show people you are no criminal. The issues have been addressed by others on this forum and so it is clear that you have no idea what is going on with this issue so there is no sense in us discussing this matter with you. You are already supporting a system without understanding the issues surrounding it, I must assume then that you will vote NDP.

Firstly Campbell had to make cuts to an already ailing system, one that was ailing under the NDP too. Yes wait lists got longer, sevices were de-listed . If you are about to make the argument that Campbell's tax cuts would have alleviated this problem, look at the points I stated above. WAIT LISTS GOT LONGER, SERVICES WERE DE-LISTED, THE SYSTEM WAS ON ITS WAY DOWN UNDER THE NDP TOO. As of right now the liberals have made me better off, I am paying less for the same crappy health system, makes sense to me. Also the unions needed to be taken down a peg, overly generous wages and benefits that eat up 73 cents of every tax dollar earmarked for health care and you are complaining about that. The govt. needed to take that step.

Caesar no matter where you are in this country and under whatever provincial government, wait lists are getting longer, services are being de-listed and this should be unacceptable, but its reality. Whatever way you look at it, the system is dying regardless of who is steering its course. The NDP cannot reform it, that would ruffle the feathers of their friendly supporters, the unions. The Liberals won't do anything, cause thats what they are good at. The only party with the balls to do anything about it is the Cons.

Harper is talking the same type of cuts as does Campbell in BC. 

Big differences between the situations. Federally we have large surpluses and the mismanagement of money is in the billions. This leaves room for a tax cut, I do not recall BC sitting on large surpluses or the NDP having the ability to blow multi-billions of dollars, even with the recklessness of NDP spending (fast ferries fiasco, the original price tag $180 mill, final price tag $500 mill).

My son has been waiting 3 months to make an appointment with a specialist for an injured knee. Suspected torn cartilage. He is paying 300 to 400 a month for physio without even having an MRI to diagnose his problem.

Yes your son is not alone, people all over Canada are having to wait way too long now, but even under the NDP wait lists and wait times were growing do no kid yourself and lay the blame all on Campbell, but we can both agree he has not done much to alleaviate it.

As for the physio people I have come into contact with after playing a very high level of sports, they are as useless as tits on a bull. You are better off finding a rehabilitation website that will tell you the proper exercises to do to rehabilitate yourself and also try get into contact with a sports rehab specialist if possible.

I mean the system now is funded publicly (with more than enough money, just so brutally inefficient) and its failing miserably, we could throw billions more at it and get the same results, reform is needed immediately. Who will do that NDP nope, Liberals nope, Cons maybe, nothing is for sure? But if you want the system we have, but just want to pay more for it, vote NDP and Libs, you will get your wish.

[caesar]

We are paying MUCH MORE under Campbell; premium and share of prescription costs were increased dramatically. Taxes increased on cigarettes to pay for health care. Health care workers were replaced by contract workers but doctors got about a 50 thousand dollar raise; nurses and management got raises too. Drastic cuts to children's services. Then he sold off our assets to foreign interests including Hydro, ferries, and BC Rail. He even tried to sell off our Coquihalla Highway. Where did all the money go; To the road up to Whistler.

The conservatives would destroy what is left.

The health care system is very saveable.