What Natanyahu really thinks

[naomiglover]

The Israel propaganda machine (Hasbara) has two faces. One is for the public in western countries and one for Israelis. In 2001, Bibi was filmed making comments he would not make in public. Certainly something he would not want Americans to hear. Here is a candid video of his chat with some settlers and part of the transcript below giving us an insight into what he really thinks:

Woman: wait a moment, but then the world will say “how come you’re conquering again?”

Netanyahu: the world won’t say a thing. The world will say we’re defending.

Woman: Aren’t you afraid of the world, Bibi?

Netanyahu: Especially today, with America. I know what America is. America is something that can easily be moved. Moved to the right correction.

Netanyahu: What were the Oslo Accords? The Oslo Accords, which the Knesset signed, I was asked, before the elections: “Will you act according to them?” and I answered: “yes, subject to mutuality and limiting the retreats.” “But how do you intend to limit the retreats?” “I’ll give such interpretation to the Accords that will make it possible for me to stop this galloping to the ’67 [armistice] lines. How did we do it?

Narrator: The Oslo Accords stated at the time that Israel would gradually hand over territories to the Palestinians in three different pulses, unless the territories in question had settlements or military sites. This is where Netanyahu found a loophole.

Netanyahu: No one said what defined military sites. Defined military sites, I said, were security zones. As far as I’m concerned, the Jordan Valley is a defined military site.

Woman: Right [laughs]. The Beit She’an settlements. The Beit She’an Valley.

Edited July 21, 2010 by naomiglover

[bush_cheney2004]

I'm an American...and I love "hearing" it. Please give us more. Try as you might, you will not be able to shake American support for Israel. Worry about your own foreign policies before worrying about America's. Try to become more relevant to the Mideast before judging the actions of others.

This is what one American really thinks.

[scribblet]

Nice video here worth a listen to Only Israel

[naomiglover]

I'm an American...and I love "hearing" it. Please give us more. Try as you might, you will not be able to shake American support for Israel. Worry about your own foreign policies before worrying about America's. Try to become more relevant to the Mideast before judging the actions of others.

This is what one American really thinks.

I know what America is. America is something that can easily be moved.

I guess it's your right to be okay with being easily manipulated by another country.

Maybe your loyalty is with the wrong country.

[Guest American Woman]

I know what America is.

Sorry, but you don't have a clue.

Nice video here worth a listen to Only Israel

Definitely worth a listen.....

Edited July 20, 2010 by American Woman

[Bonam]

Woman: wait a moment, but then the world will say “how come you’re conquering again?”

Netanyahu: the world won’t say a thing. The world will say we’re defending.

Woman: Aren’t you afraid of the world, Bibi?

Netanyahu: Especially today, with America. I know what America is. America is something that can easily be moved. Moved to the right correction.

Netanyahu: What were the Oslo Accords? The Oslo Accords, which the Knesset signed, I was asked, before the elections: “Will you act according to them?” and I answered: “yes, subject to mutuality and limiting the retreats.” “But how do you intend to limit the retreats?” “I’ll give such interpretation to the Accords that will make it possible for me to stop this galloping to the ’67 [armistice] lines. How did we do it?

Narrator: The Oslo Accords stated at the time that Israel would gradually hand over territories to the Palestinians in three different pulses, unless the territories in question had settlements or military sites. This is where Netanyahu found a loophole.

Netanyahu: No one said what defined military sites. Defined military sites, I said, were security zones. As far as I’m concerned, the Jordan Valley is a defined military site.

Woman: Right [laughs]. The Beit She’an settlements. The Beit She’an Valley.

Who did the translating? You offer no source for the translation. Sounds like propaganda to me.

Edited July 21, 2010 by Bonam

[bush_cheney2004]

I know what America is. America is something that can easily be moved.

I guess it's your right to be okay with being easily manipulated by another country.

Maybe your loyalty is with the wrong country.

This is laughable, as you are advocating the same thing from Canada. Oh my...who should America listen too....Israel or lone voices from Canada?

And yes, it's my right to be "manipulated" by Israel instead of being "manipulated" by Palestine like you.

[naomiglover]

Sorry, but you don't have a clue.

Does Natanyahu have a clue? Because I bolded his comment.

Netanyahu: Especially today, with America. I know what America is. America is something that can easily be moved.

Definitely worth a listen.....

This thread is worth a read if you're going to respond to it.

[naomiglover]

Who did the translating? You offer no source for the translation. Sounds like propaganda to me.

Sure.

Mondoweiss

Mondoweiss is a news website devoted to covering American foreign policy in the Middle East, chiefly from a progressive Jewish perspective.

It's a site run by more self-hating Jews. They seem to be growing in numbers, eh?

[jbg]

I'm an American...and I love "hearing" it. Please give us more. Try as you might, you will not be able to shake American support for Israel. Worry about your own foreign policies before worrying about America's. Try to become more relevant to the Mideast before judging the actions of others.

This is what one American really thinks.

Sigh...Another anti-Israeli spam.Now that Natanyahu is PM it's important what he does, not what he "thinks".

[Bonam]

Mondoweiss is a news website devoted to covering American foreign policy in the Middle East, chiefly from a progressive Jewish perspective.

More misrepresentation. It is not from a "progressive Jewish perspective". It is from the perspective of one specific individual, Philip Weiss:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Weiss

This is a man with an agenda, an axe to grind, not a neutral translator.

[naomiglover]

Who did the translating? You offer no source for the translation. Sounds like propaganda to me.

Here is more of the propaganda from the Jew hating Washington Post:

"I know what America is," Netanyahu told a group of terror victims, apparently not knowing his words were being recorded. "America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction. They won't get in their way."

Netanyahu also bragged how he undercut the peace process when he was prime minister during the Clinton administration. "They asked me before the election if I'd honor [the Oslo accords]," he said. "I said I would, but ... I'm going to interpret the accords in such a way that would allow me to put an end to this galloping forward to the '67 borders. How did we do it? Nobody said what defined military zones were. Defined military zones are security zones; as far as I'm concerned, the entire Jordan Valley is a defined military zone. Go argue."

Here you go Bonam. Now I guess you have to shift your strategy from trying to discredit the source to justifying what Bibi is really about.

I'm sure you won't surprise anyone and will not acknowledge Bibi's alarming comments about his and the Israeli government's true method and agenda.

Edited July 21, 2010 by naomiglover

[Guest American Woman]

Does Natanyahu have a clue? Because I bolded his comment.

Netanyahu: Especially today, with America. I know what America is. America is something that can easily be moved.

I know you bolded his comment, but my response was to you, as you seem to think you know what America and Americans are. You've indicated as much to me in the past. Therefore my comment was directed to you. Perhaps it was too subtle, but it was my way of telling you that you don't know what you are talking about.

This thread is worth a read if you're going to respond to it.

I doubt it since there's nothing to make it any different from your other 40 threads.

Here is more of the propaganda from the Jew hating Washington Post:

[...]

I'm sure you won't surprise anyone and will not acknowledge Bibi's alarming comments about his and the Israeli government's true method and agenda.

Also from that article, which you neglected to post:

Of course, the video is from nearly ten years ago. Opinions change, based on circumstances and experience.

But keep trying to push it as not only his, but the Israeli government's, "true method and agenda." There's nothing at all dishonest about that, eh?

[kimmy]

Netanyahu is probably right.

Americans probably need very little persuasion to side with Israel as opposed to their adversaries. On the one hand, a modern and western-like nation, and on the other hand you've got a bunch of mooks primarily concerned with finding ways to blow shit up and kill each other, and whose attitude towards Americans ranges from contempt to antagonism. Gee, must be hard for Americans to pick a side.

-k

[naomiglover]

I know you bolded his comment, but my response was to you, as you seem to think you know what America and Americans are. You've indicated as much to me in the past. Therefore my comment was directed to you.

You are lying. You thought it was me.

You quoted the statement and responded to the statement thinking it was me.

Perhaps it was too subtle, but it was my way of telling you that you don't know what you are talking about.

Yes. Nice attempt at covering. You continue to embarrass yourself.

I doubt it since there's nothing to make it any different from your other 40 threads.

You mean we have talked about Bibi's candid comments about how easy it is to manipulate the Americans and how he undercut the peace process during the time he was prime minister? Show me where.

Also from that article, which you neglected to post:

Of course, the video is from nearly ten years ago. Opinions change, based on circumstances and experience.

But keep trying to push it as not only his, but the Israeli government's, "true method and agenda." There's nothing at all dishonest about that, eh?

This doesn't make a difference to what he has said and what he has done.

Why don't you practice the honest poster character you try to sell yourself as? Because you failed big time with your embarrassing display in this thread.

Edited July 21, 2010 by naomiglover

[DogOnPorch]

And yes, it's my right to be "manipulated" by Israel instead of being "manipulated" by Palestine like you.

Where is one more likely to find a cold beer on a hot day? Let's get down to the nitty-gritty here.

[Jack Weber]

Where is one more likely to find a cold beer on a hot day? Let's get down to the nitty-gritty here.

That the one that tips the scales for me!!!

[DogOnPorch]

That the one that tips the scales for me!!!

I'll say. Hamas, no doubt, has the death penalty or merely thinking about a beer.

[Guest American Woman]

You are lying. You thought it was me.

You quoted the statement and responded to the statement thinking it was me.

Still trying to tell me what I think?

I suppose it's only natural for a liar to think that everyone else lies too.

Why don't you practice the honest poster character you try to sell yourself as? Because you failed big time with your embarrassing display in this thread.

Trying to cover for the fact that your source points out that the quote is ten years old and that people and opinions change by trying to portray me as the dishonest poster? That's rich.

Repeating, from your source: Of course, the video is from nearly ten years ago. Opinions change, based on circumstances and experience.

As you claim it's not only his "true method and agenda," but "the Israeli government's."

Too bad you can't get anyone to buy your false claims, eh?

Edited July 21, 2010 by American Woman

[naomiglover]

Still trying to tell me what I think?

I suppose it's only natural for a liar to think that everyone else lies too.

It's what you do and not what you think. This is not the first time you've elected to lie and I'm sure not the last.

Keep denying it like it's not right there for everyone to see.

Trying to cover for the fact that your source points out that the quote is ten years old and that people and opinions change by trying to portray me as the dishonest poster? That's rich.

Repeating, from your source: Of course, the video is from nearly ten years ago. Opinions change, based on circumstances and experience.

As you claim it's not only his "true method and agenda," but "the Israeli government's."

Too bad you can't get anyone to buy your false claims, eh?

Keep trying to pretend what he has said is not being practiced. He has followed through everything he has mentioned in the video.

1 - He did push the Oslo Accord aside. He did it while he was Prime Minister. It didn't happen 10 years later.

2 - With AIPAC's control over the house and the Israeli propaganda machine at high gear, the Israeli government has been able to dupe the American people. This is why the rest of the world, including in Europe do not support Israel's violations of international law. Because the Israeli Hasbara does not have as much strength in Europe. Also, Europeans in general are a lot more aware and informed of what is going on around the world. Americans have been, as Bibi put it, easily moved.

This is another case where you are taking some comment from an article and pretending that it cancels out everything else. You are a dishonest person who has no ounce of integrity.

[Guest American Woman]

Americans have been, as Bibi put it, easily moved.

I knew that was your belief; that you claim to know Americans. Thanks for proving that I was right.

But by all means, keep babbling about my dishonesty.

Edited July 21, 2010 by American Woman

[naomiglover]

I knew that was your belief; that you claim to know Americans. Thanks for proving that I was right.

But by all means, keep babbling about my dishonesty.

I'm torn. I can't deny the slight satisfaction I feel whenever I highlight what a dishonest person you are and when you're unable to directly respond to facts because you can't justify lies. However, at the same time, I feel like I need to take a shower after witnessing your filthy and dishonest behaviour on here.

You should take a note from Bonam and go away from the thread for a bit, instead of digging a deeper hole. He won't admit that he was wrong to try to discredit the source, so he's elected to go away for a bit in the hopes that he's not once again shown to be an Israeli apologist.

Edited July 21, 2010 by naomiglover

[bush_cheney2004]

....2 - With AIPAC's control over the house and the Israeli propaganda machine at high gear, the Israeli government has been able to dupe the American people. This is why the rest of the world, including in Europe do not support Israel's violations of international law.

"The rest of the world"...including Europe? Oh my......LOL! Please get your hyperbole under control while I write a check to AIPAC. I hope Israel violates another "international law" today.

[naomiglover]

"The rest of the world"...including Europe? Oh my......LOL! Please get your hyperbole under control while I write a check to AIPAC. I hope Israel violates another "international law" today.

Hey. You're free to want to support another country's best interest over America's.

[bush_cheney2004]

Hey. You're free to want to support another country's best interest over America's.

Not only am I free to do so, there is nothing you can do about American foreign policy in the region. I prefer Israeli lobbyists over the Canadian lobbyists in Washington D.C. !