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I have heard Paul Martin say that this election is the most important in decades. He's right.

This election is important because it is going to be a test of our collective capacity to remember.

We all are aware of the lies, scandals, misbehaviours and incompetence of the Chrétien years. We are still witnessing the fallout of those scandals and we need no help remembering them so a list is not required. Their "best before" date has not arrived, as it were.

But how many recall the lies, scandals, misbehaviours and incompetence of the Mulroney era, he whose blessing Stephen Harper carries.

The GST was Brian's. The despised Meech Lake Accord. The suspect benefits of the Canada-US Free Trade pact. There were a half dozen resignations from Mulroney's Cabinet under clouds of suspicion.

Now of course we have Stephen Harper, not Lyin' Brian leading the re-born Conservative Party misleadingly and lazily called the Tories by the talking heads and pundits.

Tweedledee and…

Unsurprisingly, Mr. Harper is now saying things, in this election campaign, that he has never before said in his public life. I imagine that a few short years ago some of the things he's saying to us today would have caught in his throat and caused him to gag. He's trying desperately to distance himself from those utterances but the record exists and cannot be refuted.

So, according to those talking heads and pundits, Canadians have a choice between the currently scandal ridden, incompetent, arrogant Liberals and the formerly scandal ridden, incompetent, arrogant Conservatives. This is without even mentioning the current Conservative leaders' historical record of American Republican right-wing style political ideology.

Wow! :D

An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't.

Anatole France

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American Republican have been very succesfull in the United States for decades, along with the Conservatives in Britian except in that last few years. Harper will do well to take lessons from them in my opinion. :P

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depends on what you call "successful", kliege!? ha!

if you mean an unstoppable team of the richest individuals on earth attempting to subvert democracy of the masses and create feudal corporate hegemony... then yes! success!

the democratic political system has been reduced to a point where enough money will win elections. do you agree?

and if you agree then is that best for democracy? or is democracy the problem? maybe democracy should be gotten rid of?

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Wow! A Liberal Arts professor from SFU is going to vote NDP! I can hardly believe it! Most of them are so right wing, after all!

This election is important because it is going to be a test of our collective capacity to remember.
Indeed it is! But remembering Mulroney is hardly relevent, any more so than remembering the collection of crooked, incompetent NDP governments from British Columbia. If we are to take Mulroney's government as a reason never to vote Torie again then what are we to think of the NDP's screwups and corruption in BC? Or dear old Bob Rae's late, unlamented Ontario government?

No, I'm afraid the cries of socialist kant coming from the stratified towards of academia fail to sway my thinking about socialists like dear comrade Layton, who wants to take every cent I own and then engage in social programming to brainwash everyone to his way of thinking. I don't need feel our society would be improved by scores more laws banning this, requiring that, and mandating the other thing, nor a bulging bureacracy of aparathniks feasting on my wallet.

An NDP government would mean much higher taxes, much bigger government, far more laws to reign in any behaviour the NDP dissaproves of, and a running fight with the Americans on almost every subject - leading to more and more trade problems and thus higher unemployment. I don't trust Layton or the NDP. I don't like their arrogance or anti-democratic leanings. And I don't like the fact they look at me and every other middle class white male with a curled lip of contempt.

"A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley

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But remembering Mulroney is hardly relevent, any more so than remembering the collection of crooked, incompetent NDP governments from British Columbia.

On the contrary: Mulroney is perched at Harper's elbow during this campaign. Meanwhile, many of the NDPs former BC stalwarts are now showing their true colours and shilling for the Liberals. Canadians need to know that the new Cons are just like the old Cons (though conspicuously absent the "Progressive" part of their moniker), the same crooked bunch who wallowed in pork, sold Canadian jobs down the river with free trade, began the process of gutting Canada's social network while fattening up their friends in the private sector. Actually, they sound a lot like the Martin Liberals, proving that the Grits and the Cons, like the Democrats and Repuiblicans down south, are basically different wings of the same party.

An NDP government would mean much higher taxes, much bigger government, far more laws to reign in any behaviour the NDP dissaproves of, and a running fight with the Americans on almost every subject - leading to more and more trade problems and thus higher unemployment.

A Conservative government would mean much higher taxes for lower and middle income Canadians, as they slash taxes for the wealthy and corporations, smaller social programs, far more laws to reign in any behavior (like gay marriage) that the Cons and their Bible-slinging base disapprove of and a total subservience to the U.S. on foreign policy, leading to further erosion of our soverignty and reputation on the world stage.

Tit for tat. :rolleyes:

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WOW is right.

I can't believe the left is still talking in circles.

Stephen Harper helped form the reform to rebel agianst Mr. Mulroney.............Bad anti-everything regional hump.

Some Ontario Conservatives want in, Hello Alliance......Bad nothing more than reform with a new name.

This time all conservatives vote over 90% to join...........Bad Alliance take over of the Tories.

Harper wins unfair leadership contest and wins praise of media and some former members of former government that intiated the party cleansing........ Bad same old corrupt party.

I can only say this line of thinking is moronic at best.

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But remembering Mulroney is hardly relevent, any more so than remembering the collection of crooked, incompetent NDP governments from British Columbia.

On the contrary: Mulroney is perched at Harper's elbow during this campaign.

Oh nonsense
Canadians need to know that the new Cons are just like the old Cons (though conspicuously absent the "Progressive" part of their moniker), the same crooked bunch who wallowed in pork, sold Canadian jobs down the river with free trade, began the process of gutting Canada's social network while fattening up their friends in the private sector.
Funny how the left loved the PCs when it was actually being run by the cabinet ministers and insiders from Mulroney's days. But now that they're gone - except Joey Clark, who's jumped to the Liberals, suddenly they're trying to resurect Mulroney, whose government, for all its faults, was far, far more honest than the Chretienites have shown us over the last decade.

"A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley

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On the contrary: Mulroney is perched at Harper's elbow during this campaign. 

Oh nonsense

Oh yes!

Harper seeking advice from former PM Mulroney on transition Tory government

Funny how the left loved the PCs when it was actually being run by the cabinet ministers and insiders from Mulroney's days. But now that they're gone - except Joey Clark, who's jumped to the Liberals, suddenly they're trying to resurect Mulroney, whose government, for all its faults, was far, far more honest than the Chretienites have shown us over the last decade

Nobody on "the left" loved the Mulroney PC's. As I said, they were just as bad (if not worse) than the ChretMart Liberals. Frankly no one on the left likes the Liberals either (Joe, Clark, FYI, hasn't "jumped", but is backing Scott Brison; Clark is officially retired from politics). As I said: they're pretty much the same party.

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Canadians need to know that the new Cons are just like the old Cons (though conspicuously absent the "Progressive" part of their moniker), the same crooked bunch who wallowed in pork, sold Canadian jobs down the river with free trade, began the process of gutting Canada's social network while fattening up their friends in the private sector.

Thats partly true, but I wouldn't put it in the term you put it. There is one really importent part of the Old P.C missing and that is the conservative minded nationalist quebecors now the Bloc. If the Old P.C/Reform/Bloc all became the same party again we would have never had 11 years of Liberal government and this election would already be in the bag. But thanks to Reston Manning, Kim Campbell and Lucien Buchard its taken 11 years for the Conservative brand to be put back togehter again, although without parts of the Bloc. :D

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No wonder so few Canadians bother to vote.

Can you blame them?

Thank goodness for Quebeckers, and the Bloc, which will deprive both these groups of weasels, of a majority government.

However the most potential for a minority government is a Conservative-Liberal partnership. ;)

An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't.

Anatole France

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However the most potential for a minority government  is a Conservative-Liberal partnership.  ;)

I don't know. Martin has spend a considerable amount of time denigrating the Conservatives as immoral, unCanadian, racists, bigots and extremists. How does he wind up working with them? More to the point, how are they going to feel about working with him?

I think Martin, from all accounts an extraordinaily arrogant, hands-on micromanager who brooks no arguments from underlings, would have a lot of time compromising with anyone. And compromiise is what makes a minority government work.

"A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley

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Ed Broadbent the rapper, my God. How far must the NDP go to appeal to young people??

But oh well it is kinda catchy in a sort of frightning way. Notice how they got the reference to Jack in there too. Don't want any power stuggles in the NDP now.

All too often the prize goes, not to who best plays the game, but to those who make the rules....

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The 18-25 demo is a worthy target, this seems to target 5-8 year olds as my 5yr old enjoyed it.

Harper and Martin, please don't pull an Ed Dippi as I am trying to teach the son about the process of electing a leader of canada.

If by chance they do, please remind me to leave the country........... for good.

I'm hoping for the actual DVD set of rap dippers. Being dippers they might want to seek a deal with Best Buy, cause the Stones did and man was that set cheap. Normally I would have to download it for free but at Best Buy I could get it for a meager $40.00 (39.99)

Other tracks include; Svend's end singing Queens, " who wants to live forever", Bill 'too much' Bulky to pink's, "I'm coming out, so lets get this party started", Alexa Imdunna, "It's my party and i'll cry if I want to", A classic!

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I know it has been a long time since you were in power but seriously, you Cons need to lighten up.

It's from the show: "This Hour Has 22 Minutes'. :D

An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't.

Anatole France

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