South Park Creators Threatened by Radical Muslims

[Michael Hardner]

I can't believe anyone would take the other side on this issue, but you've found a way.

Nope. You're incorrect.

[bush_cheney2004]

Not a mainstream Islamic belief, but anyway... spelling evidently being a continuing problem with Christianity.

Spelling is the last refuge for a lost argument...and I am not a KhrYstian.

[Michael Hardner]

Spelling is the last refuge for a lost argument...and I am not a KhrYstian.

True, but yet this argument continues. I guess we established that you like to be rude, and I'm waiting to get proof that mainstream Islam demands death for blasphemy.

[bush_cheney2004]

True, but yet this argument continues. I guess we established that you like to be rude, and I'm waiting to get proof that mainstream Islam demands death for blasphemy.

I much prefer rude over the bleatings of a meek sheep. Nevertheless, I am happy that America, yet again, can provide interesting discourse for some Canadians. As for the Qu'ran:

The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter.

Quran 5:33

Edited April 25, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[Michael Hardner]

I much prefer rude over the bleatings of a meek sheep. Nevertheless, I am happy that America, yet again, can provide interesting discourse for some Canadians. As for the Qu'ran:

The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter.

—Quran 5:33

Thanks for the assertion that you like being rude. I like being polite.

Still waiting for that proof, though.

[bush_cheney2004]

Thanks for the assertion that you like being rude. I like being polite.

Rude is always better than kissing Islamic extremist ass. (tee hee...that was rude on top of rude...[rude]² )

Still waiting for that proof, though.

Start with Daniel Pearl's severed head.

[Michael Hardner]

For clarity - quoting an extreme punishment from a holy book doesn't constitute proof that the religion as a whole believes that the punishment is appropriate. If it did, then the big 3 religions would all be in favour of death penalties for relatively minor infractions.

I'm starting to get tired of having to explain the obvious to people on this thread over and over. I have JerrySeinfeld saying that I'm stating blasphemy shouldn't be allowed, and now I have this.

[Michael Hardner]

Rude is always better than kissing Islamic extremist ass. (tee hee...that was rude on top of rude...[rude]² )

That's an asinine way to live - treat members of a group according to what the extremists say. Very stupid way to live there.

Start with Daniel Pearl's severed head.

Utter failure of logic there. You do have good points sometimes, but other times you go off into the ridiculous and really waste peoples' time.

[bush_cheney2004]

For clarity - quoting an extreme punishment from a holy book doesn't constitute proof that the religion as a whole believes that the punishment is appropriate. If it did, then the big 3 religions would all be in favour of death penalties for relatively minor infractions.

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Scared ya...huh? The "big 3" have plenty of issues in the past, but Islamic states have more current experience.

I'm starting to get tired of having to explain the obvious to people on this thread over and over. I have JerrySeinfeld saying that I'm stating blasphemy shouldn't be allowed, and now I have this.

Then stop posting...stop playing the victim.

[bush_cheney2004]

That's an asinine way to live - treat members of a group according to what the extremists say. Very stupid way to live there.

So, like them, you propose to tell others how to express free speech. Do go on....

Utter failure of logic there. You do have good points sometimes, but other times you go off into the ridiculous and really waste peoples' time.

It's my time...not yours. Learn the difference.

Edited April 25, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[Michael Hardner]

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Scared ya...huh? The "big 3" have plenty of issues in the past, but Islamic states have more current experience.

What ? So it's NOT just the passage in the Koran. Once again - this little digression is part of your attempt to prove that mainstream Islam accepts the death penalty for blasphemy.

Maybe we should just move on ?

Then stop posting...stop playing the victim.

I'd prefer to you either give it up or stop playing games.

[waldo]

of course, in my previous emphasizing of the "varying limits" of acceptance, you well know that assorted U.S. legislation has existed against flag desecration. The latest challenge to that legislation brought forward the narrowest of Supreme Court rulings... you negate the lack of acceptance those prior legislation steps suggest. You also negate the desire for many legislators in your country to seek ultimate constitutional amendment resolution to ban flag desecration. Apparently, for many, that issue did rise to the level of the dancing bear... rose well above it. You also seem to be quiet on the issue of acceptance towards the legality in displaying the Confederate flag in certain areas/circumstance...

Not a problem at all, as we have much better reasons for death threats and homicides. The Confederate flag is a historical artifact and quite acceptable at my house. Try again....think harder if you can.

yes, but your house isn't every U.S. house - and the acceptance in your house, isn't the acceptance in every U.S. house. I trust you will try to think harder next time you beak off about your supposed lofty free speech ideals, that you'll think back to the assorted U.S. legislation that didn't allow that right to desecrate your flag... that doesn't allow you to freely and openly display the Confederate flag in all areas/circumstance.

Alas, the finer points of public and private are lost on you. As is the missing manifestation of murder for doing so. But, again, thanks for playing and come back soon.

your weasel response hardly does your 1st amendment, "free the dancing bear" routine justice. As for your suggested, "missing manifestation", I expect there are some good ole boys willing to extend upon that manifestation... see Bubba, Kletis, Billy Bob, et al.

[bush_cheney2004]

your weasel response hardly does your 1st amendment, "free the dancing bear" routine justice. As for your suggested, "missing manifestation", I expect there are some good ole boys willing to extend upon that manifestation... see Bubba, Kletis, Billy Bob, et al.

...and whatever other names you can glean from American media. I guess you're still smarting from Anne Coulter's beat down.

[Michael Hardner]

So, like them, you propose to tell others how to live. Do go on....

It's not up to me to tell you how to live. Enjoy your asinine existence to the maximum.

It's my time...not yours. Learn the difference.

It's my time when I give you the benefit of the doubt that you're posting in good faith, and respond thinking that you`re not just fooling around.

[JerrySeinfeld]

True, but yet this argument continues. I guess we established that you like to be rude, and I'm waiting to get proof that mainstream Islam demands death for blasphemy.

I think more to the point, Michael, is a saying once used to describe the AIDS crisis: silence = acceptance. And far too many "moderate muslims" are silent. They know they don't have to overtly support extremists because the actions of the few extremists is helping along creeping Islamic dominance. And in a sneaky fashion, many will "denounce violence" without really aggressivly trying to eradicate that violence.

One thing you need to realize about parts of Islam is that many of it's followers have studied our demcratic society far more than we have studied theirs, and that they are willing to lie and use our ultra-tolerance to their advantage. They don't fight fair, they fight like weasels.

"We will use your democracy to destroy your democracy" - Omar Bakri Mohammed, Muslim Cleric

What this means in practice is that a website like revolution muslim can put a price on the head of South Parks creators, then add a few lines aobut denouncing violence to avoid legal problem.

Say what you want about Muslims that "in theory" don't demand death for Blasphemy, but look around you in reality. In parts of europe, it is in practice not legal to insult Islam. Just look at the trial of Geert Wilders as an example, or the death of Theo Van Gogh or the attempts on the life of Danish cartoonists, or the banning of burger king chocolate swirls, or the banning of blow of male dolls, or the human rights tribunals in Canada or the death threats agianst South Park, and even a UN resolution against Islamic blasphemy...WORLD WIDE!

It's very tricky. Because on one hand, you have apologists continuing their boundless tolerance bending over baqckwards to pretend there is "nothing to see here" - and citing the reams of "moderate" muslims, but on the other hand, you have a consistent pattern of oincreased Muslim dominance in non-muslim "democracies" happening on the ground virtually every day.

The divide between your cumbaya dreamworld and the reality on the ground widens every day.

Just look at this forum as a perfect example. It is riddled with dozens of actual real world examples of Muslim misbehavior, followed by the obligatory left wing "nothing to see here" knee jerk poodle-trained multi-culti apologist reaction.

New headline

"Muslims worried about backlash from tomorrow's bombings"

[bush_cheney2004]

It's not up to me to tell you how to live. Enjoy your asinine existence to the maximum.

We don't need your blessing or permission to do so. That would include South Park.

It's my time when I give you the benefit of the doubt that you're posting in good faith, and respond thinking that you`re not just fooling around.

I don't give a rip about your personal misgivings or sensitivites. I will attack any idea that needs to be challenged....especially from smug bastards who think they know what's better.

[Michael Hardner]

I think more to the point, Michael, is a saying once used to describe the AIDS crisis: silence = acceptance. And far too many "moderate muslims" are silent. They know they don't have to overtly support extremists because the actions of the few extremists is helping along creeping Islamic dominance. And in a sneaky fashion, many will "denounce violence" without really aggressivly trying to eradicate that violence.

Ah, yes. The `silent Muslim` problem. Somewhere buried in there is the assumption that people have a responsibility to speak up about their own religion, or their own group. Doesn`t seem to apply to anybody else though.

One thing you need to realize about parts of Islam is that many of it's followers have studied our demcratic society far more than we have studied theirs, and that they are willing to lie and use our ultra-tolerance to their advantage. They don't fight fair, they fight like weasels.

Ad-hominem insult of Muslims based on nothing at all, basically just straight-out prejudice there.

You did try to qualify it by saying `parts of Islam` which is pretty cowardly really.

Jerry, if you were fair in your posts, if you responded to the threads where you arguments are taken apart consistently, then I would spend more effort on this.

Suffice it to say these anti-Muslim arguments have been restated and addressed her for years now. There`s nothing new under the sun - go back to some of your old threads to see what my responses to your anecdotes have been.

[Michael Hardner]

We don't need your blessing or permission to do so. That would include South Park.

I'm just saying that I'm not TELLING you how to live. Live as you will.

I don't give a rip about your personal misgivings or sensitivites. I will attack any idea that needs to be challenged....especially from smug bastards who think they know what's better.

In other words - you don't care enough about my time to post in good faith it sounds like.

I don't hear you attacking ideas, but rather attacking people - innocent people. What happened when I asked you to back up your claim that mainstream Muslims wish death on those who commit blasphemy ?

I got a quote from the Koran in response. Next, I pointed out that other holy books also contain such passages. The response ? Those other religions aren't violent.

So let's review the anti-Muslim hat dance one more time:

BC: Mainstream Islam is violent.

MH: Prove it.

BC: Their holy book has this violent passage.

MH: So do the Jewish and Christian holy books.

BC: BUT THOSE RELIGIONS AREN'T VIOLENT THOUGH !

This is als known as a circular argument, and I'm sure you can see why.

[bush_cheney2004]

I'm just saying that I'm not TELLING you how to live. Live as you will.

Your posts contradict this...try again.

In other words - you don't care enough about my time to post in good faith it sounds like.

Your time is your concern...not mine.

I don't hear you attacking ideas, but rather attacking people - innocent people. What happened when I asked you to back up your claim that mainstream Muslims wish death on those who commit blasphemy ?

I provided the mainstream tenet of Islam's Qu'ran. Sorry if you no likey.

I got a quote from the Koran in response. Next, I pointed out that other holy books also contain such passages. The response ? Those other religions aren't violent.

Patently false...I specifically stated that other religions have the very same historical problem.

So let's review the anti-Muslim hat dance one more time:

BC: Mainstream Islam is violent.

MH: Prove it.

BC: Their holy book has this violent passage.

MH: So do the Jewish and Christian holy books.

BC: BUT THOSE RELIGIONS AREN'T VIOLENT THOUGH !

This is als known as a circular argument, and I'm sure you can see why.

Here you choose to engage in the same bullshit that you accuse others of when it comes to stated positions.

[sharkman]

I think more to the point, Michael, is a saying once used to describe the AIDS crisis: silence = acceptance. And far too many "moderate muslims" are silent. They know they don't have to overtly support extremists because the actions of the few extremists is helping along creeping Islamic dominance. And in a sneaky fashion, many will "denounce violence" without really aggressivly trying to eradicate that violence.

One thing you need to realize about parts of Islam is that many of it's followers have studied our demcratic society far more than we have studied theirs, and that they are willing to lie and use our ultra-tolerance to their advantage. They don't fight fair, they fight like weasels.

"We will use your democracy to destroy your democracy" - Omar Bakri Mohammed, Muslim Cleric

What this means in practice is that a website like revolution muslim can put a price on the head of South Parks creators, then add a few lines aobut denouncing violence to avoid legal problem.

Say what you want about Muslims that "in theory" don't demand death for Blasphemy, but look around you in reality. In parts of europe, it is in practice not legal to insult Islam. Just look at the trial of Geert Wilders as an example, or the death of Theo Van Gogh or the attempts on the life of Danish cartoonists, or the banning of burger king chocolate swirls, or the banning of blow of male dolls, or the human rights tribunals in Canada or the death threats agianst South Park, and even a UN resolution against Islamic blasphemy...WORLD WIDE!

It's very tricky. Because on one hand, you have apologists continuing their boundless tolerance bending over baqckwards to pretend there is "nothing to see here" - and citing the reams of "moderate" muslims, but on the other hand, you have a consistent pattern of oincreased Muslim dominance in non-muslim "democracies" happening on the ground virtually every day.

The divide between your cumbaya dreamworld and the reality on the ground widens every day.

Just look at this forum as a perfect example. It is riddled with dozens of actual real world examples of Muslim misbehavior, followed by the obligatory left wing "nothing to see here" knee jerk poodle-trained multi-culti apologist reaction.

New headline

"Muslims worried about backlash from tomorrow's bombings"

An excellent post with good points. What bothers me is the complete hypocrisy from the left. IF Christians protest something they get the 'tolerance' speech. If Muslims protest(or make threats) then they get the tolerance speech. Oh wait, they don't get the tolerance speech after all. Their beliefs are held up as reasonable and the world is told to quit "provoking". And the left can't see the hypocrisy.

And they wonder why the right in the US is gaining ground!

[Michael Hardner]

Your posts contradict this...try again.

Point out where I told you what to do and I"ll retract. Pretty simple.

I provided the mainstream tenet of Islam's Qu'ran. Sorry if you no likey.

Goalposts = moved.

Here you choose to engage in the same bullshit that you accuse others of when it comes to stated positions.

Provide evidence and I'll retract.

You say you're against 'ideas' but you equate extremism with all of Islam. Is this right ? No. No it's not.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Ad-hominem insult of Muslims based on nothing at all, basically just straight-out prejudice there.

If you look Michael, I cite the example of revolution muslim directly below the statement. All you have to do is read it.

Suffice it to say these anti-Muslim arguments have been restated and addressed her for years now. There`s nothing new under the sun - go back to some of your old threads to see what my responses to your anecdotes have been.

I suppose you`re right, Michael. Every second day when a new incident of Muslim violence or intimidation is reported and it`s put forth on this page, you indeed repeatedly reach for your age old platitudes `nothing to see here`, `most muslims are moderates etc. etc. etc., and tomorrow when we get yet another example you`ll reach for them again...and the next day, and the day after that....

Edited April 25, 2010 by JerrySeinfeld

[Michael Hardner]

True, but yet this argument continues. I guess we established that you like to be rude, and I'm waiting to get proof that mainstream Islam demands death for blasphemy.

...

Still waiting for that proof, though.

Start with Daniel Pearl's severed head.

[bush_cheney2004]

Point out where I told you what to do and I"ll retract. Pretty simple.

Pointless exercise for the obvious.

Goalposts = moved.

It's not your game.

Provide evidence and I'll retract.

I don't care if you retract or not...are we that full of ourself today (and everyday)?

You say you're against 'ideas' but you equate extremism with all of Islam. Is this right ? No. No it's not.

In this particular case, it is right...and you...are...wrong.

[Sir Bandelot]

Some Christians do advocate killing. The fringe nut jobs. Like Pat Robertson... there's a few guys like that, christian leaders with large followings. Some of them are based in the US too.

Then there's christian cult groups, some whom disagree with the mainstream western lifestyle and choose to live in isolation. These cults have been known to abuse their followers, even kill them. So the notion that Christianity has moved beyond that is "patently false", as some of yous guys always like to say.

That doesn't mean we should justify what the radical Islamists are saying, with their death threats against westerners. It just means, the notion that we as a whole group are better than Muslims is full of crap. There are radical elements in our own society as well. And that's who the enemy of freedom is, extremists. They can be Muslim, or they can be Christian.