Why Harper did not dare to look at Obama who waged finger at him?

[bloodyminded]

I wouldn't mock him if it was just his poor grasp of English.

And yet that's what you mock.

Oh, and for the record, most of your posts in general are tiresome, but I don't complain. I just don't read them

This is, by definition, demonstrably and incontestably untrue.

I strongly suggest you fight for a tuition refund. You richly deserve it.

[Moonbox]

And yet that's what you mock.

Among other things yes. Mostly I mock how he's trying to convince us how terrible things are here and how the Chinese frollick in the streets everyday with bunnies and gum drops. You and he are both missing the irony in my mockery I think. Unsurprising....

As for tuition refunds, ironically enough you may need to look up the word definition in the dictionary. Regardless, I'm not here to mock or flame you. You at least seem to be genuinely interested in Canadian politics, which is more than I can say about chinaman.

Edited April 21, 2010 by Moonbox

[bloodyminded]

Among other things yes. Mostly I mock how he's trying to convince us how terrible things are here and how the Chinese frollick in the streets everyday with bunnies and gum drops. You and he are both missing the irony in my mockery I think. Unsurprising....

Perhaps so. Perhaps i just find this humour rude; but perhaps it's little more than a matter of taste. I don't wish to overstate the issue, if it even is one.

As for tuition refunds, ironically enough you may need to look up the word definition in the dictionary. Regardless, I'm not here to mock or flame you. You at least seem to be genuinely interested in Canadian politics, which is more than I can say about chinaman.

This is civil, which makes me inclined to be more friendly. I'll just point out that my use of "by definition" was correct: since you responded to my post, the assertion that you don't read them is (at least in one case) not true.

[Guest American Woman]

Among other things yes. Mostly I mock how he's trying to convince us how terrible things are here and how the Chinese frollick in the streets everyday with bunnies and gum drops.

Yet every time you respond to his posts, you are giving him an audience. You are proof that someone is reading his posts. In other words, seems to me you are giving him what he wants.

[bjre]

I wouldn't mock him if it was just his poor grasp of English.

Your shabby mocks did not help anything.

I mock him because I'm almost convinced that he's employed by the Chinese government or something to play the propaganda game overseas.

Your using of the word "convince" on this thing makes your convince ability so poor that I doubt you can convince anything.

He's not here to discuss Canadian politics. He doesn't seem to know anything about them. All he does is post news clips about how evil Canadian society is.

Is there any relation between "Why Harper did not dare to look at Obama who waged finger at him?" and "how evil Canadian society is"?

Edited April 21, 2010 by bjre

[Born Free]

Is there any relation between "Why Harper did not dare to look at Obama who waged finger at him?" and "how evil Canadian society is"?

Canadian society very evil.. not allowed to have relation..

[Moonbox]

Perhaps so. Perhaps i just find this humour rude; but perhaps it's little more than a matter of taste. I don't wish to overstate the issue, if it even is one.

It's not really intended to be friendly. He's not discussing in good faith with us so instead I'll poke fun at him and see how much time he wastes trying to refute my completely idiotic posts. I find it incredibly amusing but that is just a matter of taste.

This is civil, which makes me inclined to be more friendly. I'll just point out that my use of "by definition" was correct: since you responded to my post, the assertion that you don't read them is (at least in one case) not true.

You have me on a technicality . I will normally respond to someone who quotes me, even though most of the time I gloss over what they write - not really much offense meant there. I think we typically just don't see things the same way.

That's irony, or poor logic on my part, but definitions have nothing to do with it

[bloodyminded]

You have me on a technicality . I will normally respond to someone who quotes me, even though most of the time I gloss over what they write - not really much offense meant there. I think we typically just don't see things the same way.

Exactly. I'm sure we'll both survive our differences just fine.

[Moonbox]

Yet every time you respond to his posts, you are giving him an audience. You are proof that someone is reading his posts. In other words, seems to me you are giving him what he wants.

Haha he can think that. Personally I don't think anybody reads his posts other than to make fun of him though.

[Moonbox]

Canadian society very evil.. not allowed to have relation..

Nice

[xul]

Your shabby mocks did not help anything.

....but do you think the way that you used to post here have ever helped anything, regardless whatever your goals are?

[Moonbox]

Your using of the word "convince" on this thing makes your convince ability so poor that I doubt you can convince anything.

My convince ability at least not involve threat of bullet to back of head. Better than Communist China government.

[bjre]

....but do you think the way that you used to post here have ever helped anything, regardless whatever your goals are?

I have no goals. What I said is just express my feelings. And in case that there can be more people become aware that there are many Canadians live in miserable state and want to do something for them, that would be great.

For China topics I response passively is just because I don't like the lies other people talks about, those are just quarrels. They are brainwashed by corporate media here decade after decade. The education system doing the same. Most people lives in their own lies just like when ancient people believed that the earth is the center of the universe. I don't care if they change their thinking or not, it is their choice they want to enjoy in lies. I simply don't agree with those who think in that way.

Edited April 22, 2010 by bjre

[bjre]

My convince ability at least not involve threat of bullet to back of head. Better than Communist China government.

Then, you'd better never rush away from cops.

[Moonbox]

I have no goals. What I said is just express my feelings. And in case that there can be more people become aware that there are many Canadians live in miserable state and want to do something for them, that would be great.

It is very obvious you have goals. You aren't here to 'discuss' Canadian politics. You're here to tell us how bad our democratic system is and how good things are in China. That's all you've done.

For China topics I response passively is just because I don't like the lies other people talks about, those are just quarrels. They are brainwashed by corporate media here decade after decade.

I grew up with, went to school with and dated people born in China or who whose parents were born there. My opinions of the Chinese government are in large part based on their experiences as they presented them to me. Even they know the Chinese government lies to them.

[bjre]

It is very obvious you have goals. You aren't here to 'discuss' Canadian politics.

Think whatever you like to.

You're here to tell us how bad our democratic system is

The current western system has many dark or evil side.

and how good things are in China. That's all you've done.

China has its bright side.

I grew up with, went to school with and dated people born in China or who whose parents were born there. My opinions of the Chinese government are in large part based on their experiences as they presented them to me. Even they know the Chinese government lies to them.

Most Chinese people have not moved abroad. Even for those who have move out-side, how many of them you know? Do they willing to tell you what they really think, is that a risk for them to tell truth in a environment that anyone who try to tell some truth will be regard as propaganda? And now even western culture are in everyday life of China media, that makes many people in China even are exposing to western brainwash, which lead to more an more evilness happen in China now.

[xul]

I have no goals. What I said is just express my feelings. And in case that there can be more people become aware that there are many Canadians live in miserable state and want to do something for them, that would be great.

I never think you are a "propagandist". There is a real propagandist,propagandist, and I'm afraid to say he is a smarter one.

"And in case that there can be more people become aware that there are many Canadians live in miserable state and want to do something for them" is also a goal, and it is a good goal. But I think you should also consider others' feeling when you express your feeling. The expression of "Why Harper did not dare to look at Obama who waged finger at him?" is neither a proper nor an objective description of the situation in English even if the photo is a serious one. Though the word "dare" may be a bit of moderate in Chinese but it is still not nice.

For China topics I response passively is just because I don't like the lies other people talks about, those are just quarrels. They are brainwashed by corporate media here decade after decade. The education system doing the same. Most people lives in their own lies just like when ancient people believed that the earth is the center of the universe. I don't care if they change their thinking or not, it is their choice they want to enjoy in lies. I simply don't agree with those who think in that way.

This forum is a Canada political forum, that means you could not suppose that there are a lot of people know China well. Just as in China, how many Chinese know Canada well? And some members here replied your topic just by a reciprocal way. If you read those quarrels between BC2004 and some Canadian, you will find they didn't treat you different. If you want some moderate replies, you should better moderate your expression first.

[Moonbox]

The current western system has many dark or evil side.

It has a dark side yes. All societies do. They all have bright sides too. China has many bright sides and bad sides at the same time.

Most Chinese people have not moved abroad.

Because there are over a billion of them.

Even for those who have move out-side, how many of them you know? Do they willing to tell you what they really think, is that a risk for them to tell truth in a environment that anyone who try to tell some truth will be regard as propaganda? And now even western culture are in everyday life of China media, that makes many people in China even are exposing to western brainwash, which lead to more an more evilness happen in China now.

People are moving to the west away from China because life is usually BETTER here for them, otherwise they wouldn't do it.

As for brainwash, I think the Chinese are the only ones aggressively censoring their internet --- they only want the Chinese people to see what the government wants them to see.

That doesn't happen here.

[Born Free]

The current western system has many dark or evil side.

You need to turn the light on...

[Guest TrueMetis]

China has its bright side.

Ya but most of it is pretty dark.

My link

[bjre]

People are moving to the west away from China because life is usually BETTER here for them, otherwise they wouldn't do it.

Nothing is absolute. There can be good side, and it also has bad side. And there are things different from what they think before they came out. Since China developed so fast, even several year's difference makes people feel large different. Earlier immigrants thinks their life may improved a lot after come here, for immigrants in recent years, especially from the developed part of China, many people may find more and more situations that live in Canada is not as good as in China. But those from poor provinces still thinks Canada has much better life compare with their living in China. I know several people is just in such case. But many others went back in the first several years. Most of them find it hard to find a professional job and reluctantly work as a labor.

As for brainwash, I think the Chinese are the only ones aggressively censoring their internet --- they only want the Chinese people to see what the government wants them to see.

In China, people knows most of news here. They have censorship, western nations have it too. But most messages to be filter out are porn or lies. They can get some more news that western people hard to find as well.

I don't like the censorship, if I were a dictator in China, I will order universities to study western system carefully, and tell people with all those facts how western media fool people, so that no need to worry about lies. And they can find the positive part that can be use in China and use it for its people.

But I am not a politician and am not able to fighting against those who greed for power of authority and often attack others with evil methods. I reluctant to spent time to deal with those people. We can find such kind of people that described in the novel "Running for Governor" everywhere.

And China is not the only one that have that kind of censorship, Germany has the exactly the same one.

That doesn't happen here.

Here, only corporate media has the power to put a screen in every house and put a speaker in every car with the news in their taste. They control the main stream media and keep emphasis the part they like and control the thinking of most people. That is why most people here believe Iraq has WMD before the 2nd Iraq war.

When the media try to tell lies, they will ignore the fact they don't like, and tell those that have not confirmed, and repeat that and try to omit the part that tells people it has not been confirmed, after it repeated several times, most people will trun to believe it as truth. The first case of H1N1 death in Canada is a good example of this method.

Edited April 23, 2010 by bjre

[Moonbox]

In China, people knows most of news here. They have censorship, western nations have it too. But most messages to be filter out are porn or lies.

If they were lies you wouldn't need to censor them. You would just be able to prove it's a lie and make the liar look stupid. That is how western media works.

We're at least allowed to think for ourselves. In communist China, the government thinks for you and decides what you're allowed to believe.

[Born Free]

I don't like the censorship, if I were a dictator in China, I will order universities to study western system carefully,

...this is some of the funniest stuff I've seen so far...Moonbox yer being played with...

[bjre]

If they were lies you wouldn't need to censor them. You would just be able to prove it's a lie and make the liar look stupid. That is how western media works.

That is exactly what I think.

We're at least allowed to think for ourselves. In communist China, the government thinks for you and decides what you're allowed to believe.

This is not the case. The government just want a stable environment to focus on economy improvement, they reluctant to spend many time to deal with lies. And I guess many government people have not a clear understanding of the nature of western system, lots of them may have a false thinking in their heart that western democracy is better without a carefully study, that is the reason they fear.

[Moonbox]

...this is some of the funniest stuff I've seen so far...Moonbox yer being played with...

If so then he is pretty damn good