Ban the Burka?

[myata]

The face mask isn't a style of dress but a form of oppression.

Yes, you sure know better what is good for them. It's a well known form of benevolent liberty.

But guess what, from here, there's only two logical ways: 1) somebody knows what's good for us all - and they'll make us all dress in whatever they will like; or 2) some of us are different (better?) than the others and would make the rest dress in proper dressing (and by extension, behave; think in the proper way)

Wonder why these modern democratic developments look (and smell) like well known (and forgotten) past?

Edited April 1, 2010 by myata

[Muddy]

The face mask isn't a style of dress but a form of oppression.

Glad to see somebody gets it! I was speaking to a women who`s home land is Iran about this subject. She told me in no uncertain terms that this tent is a Muslims mans idea of ownership. She said why is it a Muslim man will dress in shorts and short sleeve shirt on a hot blistering day but makes his women folk dress in this tent with a face covering for so called modesty. This is not free choice. Where are the bra burners of yesterday.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

Glad to see somebody gets it! I was speaking to a women who`s home land is Iran about this subject. She told me in no uncertain terms that this tent is a Muslims mans idea of ownership. She said why is it a Muslim man will dress in shorts and short sleeve shirt on a hot blistering day but makes his women folk dress in this tent with a face covering for so called modesty. This is not free choice. Where are the bra burners of yesterday.

Yet this is not Iran. Then again when you have employment and economic problems the like of which many citizens have never before seen, then the issue of legislating personal attire takes on a different light.

In my view, this is all just crap. Burka or no burka, it just doesn't matter to me because it is none of my business to tell people how to dress, not should it be the governments business.

[Mr.Canada]

Yet this is not Iran. Then again when you have employment and economic problems the like of which many citizens have never before seen, then the issue of legislating personal attire takes on a different light.

In my view, this is all just crap. Burka or no burka, it just doesn't matter to me because it is none of my business to tell people how to dress, not should it be the governments business.

It isn't a style of dress but a form of oppression. Once you people realize that the easier it is to see the truth.

It's banned in many Muslim nations so I don't see why it's such a big deal if we ban it here.

Edited April 1, 2010 by Mr.Canada

[myata]

Glad to see somebody gets it! I was speaking to a women who`s home land is Iran about this subject. She told me in no uncertain terms that this tent is a Muslims mans idea of ownership. She said why is it a Muslim man will dress in shorts and short sleeve shirt on a hot blistering day but makes his women folk dress in this tent with a face covering for so called modesty. This is not free choice. Where are the bra burners of yesterday.

And based on that eye opening personal experience you now feel fully empowered to decide (and tell; no, dictate) people how they should dress?

The sorry episode only shows one thing really (forget the "oppression", "protection of liberty" or "democratic values"): how very thin, meek and fragile the notions of individual freedom still are even in our self acclaimed as free and democratic societies and how easily can they be corrupted or compromised in case of even minor adverse circumstances. Something to note; and may be become concerned about, especially in the view of a (not so rare, of late) complete and absolute consensus between our two main political behemotic parties, the only ones that are allowed to speak on our behalf and govern us.

[Mr.Canada]

And based on that eye opening personal experience you now feel fully empowered to decide (and tell; no, dictate) people how they should dress?

The sorry episode only shows one thing really (forget the "oppression", "protection of liberty" or "democratic values"): how very thin, meek and fragile the notions of individual freedom still are even in our self acclaimed as free and democratic societies and how easily can they be corrupted or compromised in case of even minor adverse circumstances. Something to note; and may be become concerned about, especially in the view of a (not so rare, of late) complete and absolute consensus between our two main political behemotic parties, the only ones that are allowed to speak on our behalf and govern us.

It isn't a style of dress. When will you understand this?

It's a form of opression against women. Even the left wing in Belgium realizes this and supports the ban in that country. They are set to become the first EU country to ban it.

Many Muslim countries ban it as well as the Islamic Congress in Canada supports the ban.

This has nothing to do with choice and everything to with the opression of women. The face mask takes away their identity and makes them a ghost, a prisoner a person without identity.

[myata]

It isn't a style of dress. When will you understand this?

How do you know though what is dress and what is something else? Do we need you (or the government) to tell us, to know for certain?

It's a form of opression against women. Even the left wing in Belgium realizes this and supports the ban in that country. They are set to become the first EU country to ban it.

Yes that is how the march to the single and final truth usually begins.

Many Muslim countries ban it as well as the Islamic Congress in Canada supports the ban.

Finally one common view with "Muslim countries". Too bad it isn't about personal freedoms or peaceful coexistence without interference but about dictating personal dress code. Step forward for them, or ten steps back for us? Your call.

This has nothing to do with choice and everything to with the opression of women. The face mask takes away their identity and makes them a ghost, a prisoner a person without identity.

Yes, you know exactly what they want (and need). Maybe even better than themselves.

[Muddy]

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Updated April 01, 2010

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[Mr.Canada]

Turkey and Tunisia have banned it already outright and Egypt is soon to join them in banning it outright. These are Islamic nations, we should follow their lead and do like wise.

Covering a womans face and body in a tent is not in step with Canadian values of a secular and liberal society.

[myata]

Yes we should certainly follow the lead of Turkey, Egypt and Tunisia. And in case you haven't noticed, we already do, in a way, as our political system provides less and less of meaningful choice offering instead worthy causes like defining democratic dress codes.

[wyly]

Turkey and Tunisia have banned it already outright and Egypt is soon to join them in banning it outright. These are Islamic nations, we should follow their lead and do like wise.

Covering a womans face and body in a tent is not in step with Canadian values of a secular and liberal society.

go visit a Hutterite colony or the Mormon community of Bountiful or any similar fundamental Christian communities in Canada...many have tents of the invisible kind over their women but they are just as isolated as those made of fabric ...

[Mr.Canada]

I shouldn't be surprised that the socialists of Toronto are opossed to this they are the same who support Hezzbollah as a legitimate political party in Canada and not the terrorist group the rest of the world sees it as.

The left is often out of step with the rest of Canada, this is no surprise. 95% public support for the ban in Quebec so it appears it's going to happen whether you like it or not.

So Muslims in Quebec will soon no longer be able to force their wives to wear these costumes taking away their individuality. If a white man forced his wife to wear this and offered no choice people whould be up in arms but since it's only a Muslim women, it's fine according to some of the left wing. That's terrible.

Women mustn't be opressed in this manner and to support the opression of women in this manner is disgusting.

[myata]

Of course they can be oppressed in any number of other ways for which "burka ban" would do precious nothing; and of course there're those who wear it as a conscious choice (one woman has been interviewed on CBC) and wouldn't need any of that unasked for "protection".

But of course all this is wide beyond the point, if we're honest with ourselves we'll admit that this has nothing to do with "oppression" or "protection" and everything with us being "uncomfortable" with the way the unknown other chose to dress, and being unable to address our subconcious discomfort in a rational manner, we chose instead to trump our own proclaimed principles, perchance adding some easy bandwagon votes for one of our "dums".

Edited April 1, 2010 by myata

[Mr.Canada]

The support of women being forced to wear this portable prison is appaulling and the poster should be disgusted with himself. The burka represents that women are only property of men, chattel and not important. Devoid of identity and their own sense of self, women who are forced to wear this prison are victims.

This isn't the attitude of Canadians where we value our secularism and liberal social values. Treating women in this manner has nothing in common with the values Canadians hold dear.

Shame on those who wish to support the Islamic men who force their women to be invisible and without value.

[Muddy]

Belgium is banning the Burka.It seems that French speaking nations are leading the way in freeing Muslim women from their inslavement. Yes I know Belgium is Bilingual.

[myata]

Yeagh right. Our very own (self proclaimed and self appointed) interpretator of "Canadian values" and protector of all and everything.

Hopefully, Charter and Supreme Court will stop these presently. But the cause for concern is still there with majority support firmly behind these pointless distractions as well as two behemoth parties, and not a single politician to take a stand on principle.

[Mr.Canada]

I'm not making this up. It's been said on this site many times by the left. The left is constantly reminding me what "Canadian" values are and they consistently tell me they include social liberalism, the protection of women from the tyrany of men and secularism.

[Muddy]

I'm not making this up. It's been said on this site many times by the left. The left is constantly reminding me what "Canadian" values are and they consistently tell me they include social liberalism, the protection of women from the tyrany of men and secularism.

Mr Canada! I think maybe it is you and I who are turning socialist. We are the true feminists. It is you and I leading the charge to free Muslim women from the bondage that Islamists have imposed. Going to have to speak to my wife about following three paces behind me so I can get my manhood back. Yah ,like thats going to happen!

[wyly]

Belgium is banning the Burka.It seems that French speaking nations are leading the way in freeing Muslim women from their inslavement. Yes I know Belgium is Bilingual.

no Belguim is not bilingual, it's trilingunual...

what are you going to do to lead Canada from freeing Canada's fundy christian women from enslavement?

[Peter F]

Mr Canada! I think maybe it is you and I who are turning socialist. We are the true feminists. It is you and I leading the charge to free Muslim women from the bondage that Islamists have imposed. Going to have to speak to my wife about following three paces behind me so I can get my manhood back. Yah ,like thats going to happen!

You mean there is no law saying your wife must not walk three paces behind you? She actually walks alongside you volountarily?

What kind of macho society to we live in where there is no law forbidding women from walking three paces behind thier husbands?

Is there no support of females in this land?

[wyly]

You mean there is no law saying your wife must not walk three paces behind you? She actually walks alongside you volountarily?

What kind of macho society to we live in where there is no law forbidding women from walking three paces behind thier husbands?

Is there no support of females in this land?

I always found the occasional backhand to remind her kept my wife three paces behind me

but more and more I find myself walking 10 paces behind her, that's what I get for being a cradle robber...

[Muddy]

no Belguim is not bilingual, it's trilingunual...

what are you going to do to lead Canada from freeing Canada's fundy christian women from enslavement?

Sorry I do not know of what you speak! I did not know the Bay of Fundy was treating women shabbily. Sancho my horse!!

Is Belgium truely trilingual, officially? When did that happen? See what happens when you snooze for awhile!

[wyly]

Is Belgium truely trilingual, officially? When did that happen? See what happens when you snooze for awhile!

it's not commonly known, the Germans are a small minority... Edited April 2, 2010 by wyly

[DFCaper]

I believe women should have the right to wear what they want in the privacy of their own home and certain public places. And the government has no business to tell you what to wear in your home, period.

However, there are certain locations that wearing a ski mask would be deemed inappropriate. If people started wearing ski masks when going to government building, banks or many other locations, it would be banned from those locations without question. I don't see wearing a burka much different. I find it surprising that a ban on the burka is not already in place for many of these locations.

I don't agree with a full out ban. I may not agree with them, but there's a lot of things that people wear I don't exactly agree with, but feel people have a right to wear it as we are a free country with still some civil liberties...

[Dithers]

The left is often out of step with the rest of Canada, this is no surprise. 95% public support for the ban in Quebec so it appears it's going to happen whether you like it or not.

The left comprises of more than 5% of the Canadian vote, therefore they too clearly support the general intent of this bill/motion. Keep doing what you're doing though. 9/10 for entertainment value.