Dudley Georges Benediction

[Shady]

And that's the deal that Canada made with them.

Exactly. A very sweet deal. They get the right to use the social saftey net, free education, and free healthcare, without having to contribute to them. In their case, it literally is free. They also get free homes built for them. Which tend to be broken down within a few years of completion.

[Smallc]

Exactly. A very sweet deal.

I wouldn't say that at all. The deal is a bad one for both sides.

[Shady]

I wouldn't say that at all. The deal is a bad one for both sides.

I tend to agree. I think its a deal born out of guilt, for past injustices. We treat them like second-class citizens, unable to participate and succeed like "the rest of Canadians", and they undermine themselves in a cycle of dependency.

[Smallc]

I couldn't agree more with that Shady. That said, there are aboriginal people that do rise above all of it.

[charter.rights]

And they can work off the reserve, but live on the reserve, as to not pay income tax.

That is factually incorrect. If the work is performed off reserve then it is subject to income tax. If the employee works on reserve then they are exempt. And yes Firs Nations are not subject to provincial sales taxes anytime and the GST when goods are delivered to a reserve.

[Guest TrueMetis]

Yes, evidently you are a moral giant because you didn't burn down his house; or to be more accurate, you are a great man because, while you DID burn down his house, you allowed him to escape. He owes you for this generosity.

Yep, Mr. Canada I believe you owe me for the generosity of me burning down you house but letting you and you family live. $100,000 dollars ought to cover it. (I'm not greedy)

[Hydraboss]

Dudley George WAS murdered. He had no gun. And the OPP tried to cover it up. So says the court and the Ipperwash Inquiry.

Oka residents are lucky there weren't many, many more. (By the way, how famous do you have to be before you're assassinated instead of murdered?)

25 Mohawk Warriors held off over 2500 troups.

Bullshit. Political correctness saved the lives of 25 Mohawks. Otherwise, there would have been dead indians everywhere. The military would have treated it like a turkey shoot.

[Hydraboss]

I'm not sure what you're talking about. Natives have to pay taxes off of reserve. That's certainly the case here.

Wrong. If an indian shows their status card, tax is not deducted at point of sale. In the car business, every bill of sale is marked "delivered at <insert closest reserve here>" and then the dealer doesn't have to listen to the whining about indians having to file for tax reimbursement.

[M.Dancer]

Wrong. If an indian shows their status card, tax is not deducted at point of sale. In the car business, every bill of sale is marked "delivered at <insert closest reserve here>" and then the dealer doesn't have to listen to the whining about indians having to file for tax reimbursement.

|Future shop makes them fill out a form...

[Topaz]

Hey guys, how many of you that think the First Nation people have to all, would change places with them?? I think if you did you wouldn't be thinking the thoughts you think.

[Hydraboss]

Hey guys, how many of you that think the First Nation people have to all, would change places with them?? I think if you did you wouldn't be thinking the thoughts you think.

I couldn't change places with one of them any more than a seagull could change places with a whale. I have worked my ass off for years to get where I am, and I strongly resent anyone who "rides the public handout bus". If I had to change, I would start by making sure I had constant employment, fixing my f**king house so it's livable and halfway respectable, and earning some respect.

I've said it before...I have several indian workers and they are great (those that last). They drive in every morning, work their asses off, and get paid royally. Incidentally, there are a ton of lazy-ass white guys too that don't last.

[charter.rights]

Wrong. If an indian shows their status card, tax is not deducted at point of sale. In the car business, every bill of sale is marked "delivered at <insert closest reserve here>" and then the dealer doesn't have to listen to the whining about indians having to file for tax reimbursement.

In Ontario they do. PST is deducted at point of sale. Only the GST is exempt when delivered to a reserve.

[Smallc]

|Future shop makes them fill out a form...

I've never seen a normal retail business (including the one in my family) deduct at the point of sale. Usually, if they want it back, they have to claim for it.

[charter.rights]

|Future shop makes them fill out a form...

It is not required and is in fact illegal. The Freedom of Information and protection of Privacy Act prohibits the collection of personal information without the owners consent AND all that is required under Ontario law is to show the card.

[charter.rights]

Oka residents are lucky there weren't many, many more. (By the way, how famous do you have to be before you're assassinated instead of murdered?)

Right! The Mike Harris chest puffing is alive and well. Misery and violence appears to live in harmony in many Canadians. Is that how you would have us portrayed?

Bullshit. Political correctness saved the lives of 25 Mohawks. Otherwise, there would have been dead indians everywhere. The military would have treated it like a turkey shoot.

You might want to read the Great Law and study Mohawk tactics sunshine. The 25 Mohawk Warriors "held off" 2500 troops. That is a fact. That doesn't mean they went head to head in armed combat, silly goose. It means they managed to outsmart, out maneuver and outlast the Canadian Armed Forces and all the political will in Canada. That is really what conflict is about. And that is why Mohawks are survivors of 500 years of attempted genocide. The Dutch, the French, the British and now Canadians couldn't beat them so instead they made allies out of them. Without Six Nations (among others) help in the American Revolution and the War of 1812, it is likely that we would all be Americans. Kapeesh?

[Mr.Canada]

Right! The Mike Harris chest puffing is alive and well. Misery and violence appears to live in harmony in many Canadians. Is that how you would have us portrayed?

You might want to read the Great Law and study Mohawk tactics sunshine. The 25 Mohawk Warriors "held off" 2500 troops. That is a fact. That doesn't mean they went head to head in armed combat, silly goose. It means they managed to outsmart, out maneuver and outlast the Canadian Armed Forces and all the political will in Canada. That is really what conflict is about. And that is why Mohawks are survivors of 500 years of attempted genocide. The Dutch, the French, the British and now Canadians couldn't beat them so instead they made allies out of them. Without Six Nations (among others) help in the American Revolution and the War of 1812, it is likely that we would all be Americans. Kapeesh?

I don't think I'd call 25 over weight indians "warriors" as you put it. You need to stop romanticizing them and face reality, see them for what they are.

Opportunistic, helpless, mostly substance abusing people who look for handouts. They don't give a damn about land for the most part. What they want is money, it's what they've always wanted. Sure maybe 2 or 300 years ago they cared about land but not now. Now they want money and you're hanging with them hoping to cash in yourself.

You're looking for a tidy sum to be paid to you for all your years of service, all those years of making hardly any money. A retirement plan is what you're after. You just hope all your efforts on behalf of the red people hasn't been for nothing and if they band you work for cashes in you know they'll throw you a piece of the pie too. After all we all know how badly they manage money.

Like James Brown said "Now you're pumped, You gotta get ready For the big payback!!"

[charter.rights]

I don't think I'd call 25 over weight indians "warriors" as you put it. You need to stop romanticizing them and face reality, see them for what they are.

Opportunistic, helpless, mostly substance abusing people who look for handouts. They don't give a damn about land for the most part. What they want is money, it's what they've always wanted. Sure maybe 2 or 300 years ago they cared about land but not now. Now they want money and you're hanging with them hoping to cash in yourself.

You're looking for a tidy sum to be paid to you for all your years of service, all those years of making hardly any money. A retirement plan is what you're after. You just hope all your efforts on behalf of the red people hasn't been for nothing and if they band you work for cashes in you know they'll throw you a piece of the pie too. After all we all know how badly they manage money.

Like James Brown said "Now you're pumped, You gotta get ready For the big payback!!"

Reality check!

I give you 0 on your test of First Nations history.

Mohawk Warriors are some of the finest, honourable men anywhere. Many of them are former Navy Seals, and Special Ops in the US Armed Forces and wear medals and scars for chances they took defending the US and Canada in many world conflicts (today, including Afghanistan). The only difference between them and the Canadian defense social network is that they have seen battle right up and close and when push comes to shove they would avoid it until there was no other choice. But when they unleash...they have been described as like a coiled rattlesnake who keep biting and injecting venom and will not die until his head is chopped off.

And of course the game of war or conflict is about who can outlast the other. 25 men did a superb job of keeping the Canadian Armed Forces at bay until the end, without firing a shot. The Canadian Military could take a lesson from that.

Of course the Surete du Quebec were gun toting cowboys looking for a chance to kill Indians and in the melee ended up shootin one of their own.

Edited March 4, 2010 by charter.rights

[Mr.Canada]

How long have you been working on behalf of the red man?

How much money do you hope to claim when your band gets its money?

Have you all discussed it already? How will the pie will be divided?

I hope it will be a fair price for all your years of honorable service.

After the bands gets billions of dollars will they still be on welfare?

Will they still demand the government support them?

[charter.rights]

How long have you been working on behalf of the red man?

How much money do you hope to claim when your band gets its money?

Have you all discussed it already? How will the pie will be divided?

I hope it will be a fair price for all your years of honorable service.

After the bands gets billions of dollars will they still be on welfare?

Will they still demand the government support them?

I don't work for any First Nation band or member nor do I seek payment from them. Rather I am in close contact with the work I do. Many individual Mohawks have more disposable income than most of the many rich people I know. They earn it just like I do, and have enterprises, business and capital ventures that put Ontario economic development plans to shame.

No one wants they money. They have plenty. They want their lands back that were illegally taken from them. And of course as we speak those lands are being returned. And where they can't (as in flooded lands) they are being compensated not only for the cost of the land in today's real value but loss of use payment from the time it was taken illegally.

"Money comes and goes but once the lands is gone there is nothing left eat." A Mohawk Warrior.

[Shady]

It is not required and is in fact illegal.

That is absolutely false.

[Mr.Canada]

Reality check!

I give you 0 on your test of First Nations history.

Mohawk Warriors are some of the finest, honourable men anywhere. Many of them are former Navy Seals, and Special Ops in the US Armed Forces and wear medals and scars for chances they took defending the US and Canada in many world conflicts (today, including Afghanistan). The only difference between them and the Canadian defense social network is that they have seen battle right up and close and when push comes to shove they would avoid it until there was no other choice. But when they unleash...they have been described as like a coiled rattlesnake who keep biting and injecting venom and will not die until his head is chopped off.

And of course the game of war or conflict is about who can outlast the other. 25 men did a superb job of keeping the Canadian Armed Forces at bay until the end, without firing a shot. The Canadian Military could take a lesson from that.

Of course the Surete du Quebec were gun toting cowboys looking for a chance to kill Indians and in the melee ended up shootin one of their own.

c.r. this is absolutely ridiculous. Send this into Hollywood or something please, lol.

I don't know if you actually believe this or if you're just joking around.

Edited March 4, 2010 by Mr.Canada

[Smallc]

It is not required and is in fact illegal. The Freedom of Information and protection of Privacy Act prohibits the collection of personal information without the owners consent AND all that is required under Ontario law is to show the card.

Well, that's not how it works in some other provinces.

[M.Dancer]

Well, that's not how it works in some other provinces.

That's how it works for everyone actually. Something to do with tax audits and accounting for where the PST and GST are on sales. You sell $100 and the government expects their percentage. You have to provide documentation to show why there is less than expected.

http://www.futureshop.ca/static/Assets/fn_tax_exemption_en.pdf

[Smallc]

No, I realize that. What I was saying is that many places here won't remove the tax up front, and natives have to apply for a rebate. I should have been more clear as to what I was responding.

Edited March 5, 2010 by Smallc

[charter.rights]

That's how it works for everyone actually. Something to do with tax audits and accounting for where the PST and GST are on sales. You sell $100 and the government expects their percentage. You have to provide documentation to show why there is less than expected.

http://www.futureshop.ca/static/Assets/fn_tax_exemption_en.pdf

In Ontario that is not what is required. No forms, no special database etc. All that is required is that Status Natives present their card at the time of sale to claim RST (PST) exemption.

Status Indians

Status Indians hold "Certificate of Indian Status" identity cards issued by the federal government. These cards are numbered and contain a photograph, name and the Indian band or registry number of the card holder.

To claim an exemption, Status Indians must show vendors their federal "Certificate of Indian Status" identity card. Indian bands and band councils must provide the vendor with a valid Purchase Exemption Certificate (PEC). See RST Guide 204 - Purchase Exemption Certificates for further details.

That's it!

http://www.rev.gov.on.ca/en/guides/rst/808.html

Edited March 5, 2010 by charter.rights