Smallc Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 Watching CTV it did not appear that way he looked like he sought the center of the shot. How could you possibly tell that? It could very well be that the media saw him and focused the camera on him. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 How could you possibly tell that? It could very well be that the media saw him and focused the camera on him. The camera was static Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Smallc Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 The camera was static Again, you know that how? Quote
M.Dancer Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 (edited) Again, you know that how? Because of its location. There is no room behing the bar beside the flatscreen for someone to stand. Edited March 1, 2010 by M.Dancer Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Smallc Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 Because of its location. There is no room behing the bar beside the flatscreen for someone to stand. That still doesn't mean that the camera was static. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 The camera was static If it was static, how do you know they didn't set it up after Layton was already there?-- How do you know they didn't set it up where they did because they wanted to include Layton in their shots? Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 That still doesn't mean that the camera was static. The camera didn't move all of the shots in the bar were from the same angle. Further more he was looking directly at the camera. Why that we see here people assume Harper is a media hungry politician, but when it comes to the other leaders those same people have problems believing it? Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Alta4ever Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 If it was static, how do you know they didn't set it up after Layton was already there?-- How do you know they didn't set it up where they did because they wanted to include Layton in their shots? They cut to the bar multiple times though out the Hockey tourny and multiple times during the post game show. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Moonbox Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 They showed the same shot numerous times from the exact same angle throughout the game. It was a static camera. It was a packed bar in the middle of a Canada vs US Olympic gold game. How much room do you think that camera had to move??? Some of you seem inclined to pass this off as a really odd coincidence, but the fact that a politician would go to Gretzky's to watch the game is itself an indication that he was looking to be where the cameras were. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Smallc Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 Why that we see here people assume Harper is a media hungry politician, but when it comes to the other leaders those same people have problems believing it? Since I've never been one of those people, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 Since I've never been one of those people, I'm not sure what you're talking about. I didn't name you. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
M.Dancer Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 The Prime Minister may have scored dozens of flattering photos during these Olympics, but he was clearly out-maneouvered this afternoon by Jack Layton, who managed, by parking himself in front of a television camera at Wayne Gretzky’s restaurant in Toronto, to receive just slightly less airtime than Pierre McGuire. http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/02/28/owning-the-photo-op/ Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Smallc Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 Some of you seem inclined to pass this off as a really odd coincidence, but the fact that a politician would go to Gretzky's to watch the game is itself an indication that he was looking to be where the cameras were. Why would he not go to Gretzky's? I'm really not understating this train of thought. Many people went to the bar, obviously. Quote
Smallc Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 They cut to the bar multiple times though out the Hockey tourny and multiple times during the post game show. Maybe they cut to the bar multiple times partly because Layton was there? Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 Why would he not go to Gretzky's? I'm really not understating this train of thought. Many people went to the bar, obviously. With all the Sports Bars in Toronto that would have had the game on why Gretzky's? Oh right CTV had a camera in this particular bar Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
M.Dancer Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 Why would he not go to Gretzky's? I'm really not understating this train of thought. Many people went to the bar, obviously. Of course he had to go to Gretzky's. It was the only bar in Toronto that had a CTV camera. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Guest American Woman Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 (edited) In a clip broadcast between periods Mr. Layton, who was joined by his wife and fellow MP Olivia Chow, raises his arms in celebration as Canada nets its second goal. He also reaches out and lowers the arms of another bar patron. Some suggest this was an intentional bid to stay in the shot; the NDP Leader's press secretary says otherwise. "The TV screen was up there, he moved her arm to be able to see," Karl Bélanger told The Globe. "She was clearly not upset or anything like that. She is a friend of a former NDP candidate who happened to sit besides them for the game. They shared a great Canadian moment and enjoyed a few beers together." link Edited March 1, 2010 by American Woman Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 Maybe they cut to the bar multiple times partly because Layton was there? Why wasn't he there for the womens gold game when they cut to it during that game. He wasn't there when they cut to it during the game with Russia either. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Smallc Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 Why wasn't he there for the womens gold game when they cut to it during that game. He wasn't there when they cut to it during the game with Russia either. Well, he is undergoing cancer treatment. Perhaps those weren't very good days. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 Well, he is undergoing cancer treatment. Perhaps those weren't very good days. But the camera was still there at the bar, so the camera wasn't at the bar because Layton was there. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Guest American Woman Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 (edited) Why wasn't he there for the womens gold game when they cut to it during that game. He wasn't there when they cut to it during the game with Russia either. Seems to me that would go against your claim and be proof that he isn't a publicity hound. If he were at Gretzky's purely to be on camera, one would think he would have been there following the camera at those events, too. Again: "The TV screen was up there, he moved her arm to be able to see," Karl Bélanger told The Globe. Edited March 1, 2010 by American Woman Quote
Moonbox Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 Maybe they cut to the bar multiple times partly because Layton was there? Gretzky's wasn't getting any special attention. They were showing bars across Canada. Layton 'just happened' to be front and centre. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Moonbox Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 Seems to me that would go against your claim and be proof that he isn't a publicity hound. If he were at Gretzky's purely to be on camera, one would think he would have been there following the camera at those events, too. Nobody was watching the women's game. So no...that doesn't go against the theory. As for the Russian game, it was a quarter-final. Whoopy. There's still two games to go after that. Again: "The TV screen was up there, he moved her arm to be able to see," Karl Bélanger told The Globe. Where'd we get that quote from again? Oh yeah. The NDP -- meaning it's worthless. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Alta4ever Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 Seems to me that would go against your claim and be proof that he isn't a publicity hound. If he were at Gretzky's purely to be on camera, one would think he would have been there following the camera at those events, too. Again: "The TV screen was up there, he moved her arm to be able to see," Karl Bélanger told The Globe. Here it is in all its glory, he moved the womans arm so the camera can get an unobstructed veiw. Everyone is looking around cheering, he is looking directly at the camera and he moves her arm down. http://torontoist.com/2010/02/jack_layton_wants_you_to_make_sure_you_see_him_celebrating.php Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
fellowtraveller Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 Seems to me that would go against your claim and be proof that he isn't a publicity hound. If he were at Gretzky's purely to be on camera, one would think he would have been there following the camera at those events, too. Again: "The TV screen was up there, he moved her arm to be able to see," Karl Bélanger told The Globe. That would make perfect sense if you squeezed your eyes shut, jammed your fingers in your ears and refused to view the evidence presented. The mens hockey final is by far more watched than any other event, including womens hockey.Layton isn't watching the TV, he is staring directly at the static camera and making sure he can be seen. He occasionally glances at the TV, which would have a delay of a few seconds, to make sure he can ne seen gazing at the fixed camera. That is why there is a little delay in him pushing down the girls arm, it takes that long to loop back to him. I don't know why you have a problem admitting Layton is an egomaniacal attention whore like nearly all politicians. Quote The government should do something.
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