NEW WORLD ORDER IS HERE.

[Oleg Bach]

While we are on the subject - YOU are the new world order....stop worshipping money and you will have more power than these guys you talked about...It takes bravery and guts to break from the herd....and there might be a price to be paid. BUT - you can't grovel and whine like those that want an inquest into what happened during the G 20 meetings....all of the protesters are money orientated...none of them want real justice - because justice can not be bought or sold. Stand up and be a man - or woman if that is the case...don't submit or envy others - envy is a form of madness...No matter how hard and fast your envy is - it is all for not...You will never be who you envy - so give it up.

[Saipan]

I think it's too much vodka.

[Bonam]

I knew it - deep down you're a communist.

I'm about as far from a communist as anyone you'll find on these forums.

Without going into details, I reject most of what you've said. I don't think unification/consolidation of varying peoples is a natural phenomenon or unstoppable force of nature that we can expect to continue growing.

I never said anything about a force of nature. But as technology progresses, people can communicate and trade more freely with each other. Where communication and trade lead, political and economic ties follow.

I would credit increased globalism to certain ideologues in positions of power push for these objectives.

Globalization is a result of economics, not ideology. If something can be done more cheaply in another country, it will be, so long as governments do not try to bar such activity.

I'm not Alex Jones fanboy, but there are certainly disturbing trends with respect to increasing consolidation in certain economic and political arenas. In other words, I don't think there is some small group of men sitting around a table orchestrating these things, but when men of power have these political leanings, they advance this process. Sometimes it's ok, and sometimes it's not. As an aside, I view Obama as a President who is inclined to largely agree with this mentality, or at the very least, he's much more inclined to be an "internationalist" than those who've come before him. He's one of the many who view the world "international" in a positive light.

All of this is beside the point. Country's join international organizations when it is in their best interest to do so. Economic benefits in the case of the EU, security benefits in the case of NATO, etc.

For example, if Israel was offered membership in NATO, meaning that if it was ever attacked all other members of NATO would come to its defense, would you really reject that based on an anti-globalist sentiment? The tangible benefit of henceforth being safe from attacks by Israel's hostile neighbors would be the main consideration. Other countries are presented with other tangible benefits to joining such organizations, whether related to security, economics, or diplomatic influence.

There really is nothing about ideology here, just national interests. Some interests are served by maintaining sovereignty, others are served by forming alliances, partnerships, trade pacts, etc. As the world grows smaller and more tightly bound due to technological progress, I would argue that interests will continue to overlap more and more rather than becoming more separate, and that will lead to continued conglomeration.

[Bob]

What about that Bilderberg stuff then. I have heard rumours about it. They have meetings with most of the big players, the wealthy and politically connected. Presidents, PM's, Royals. Yet their meetings are held in secret, behinf high security barriers.

So what are they talking about that's so important, and why can't we know what it is.

Are you serious or are you joking?

[Bob]

I'm about as far from a communist as anyone you'll find on these forums.

I was mostly joking.

I never said anything about a force of nature. But as technology progresses, people can communicate and trade more freely with each other. Where communication and trade lead, political and economic ties follow.

I agree, but of course the devil is in the details.

Globalization is a result of economics, not ideology. If something can be done more cheaply in another country, it will be, so long as governments do not try to bar such activity.

Not entirely, there are non-economic components to globalization regarding culture. These components are not always the result of economics. Moreover, free trade isn't always good economic policy for certain parties.

All of this is beside the point. Country's join international organizations when it is in their best interest to do so. Economic benefits in the case of the EU, security benefits in the case of NATO, etc.

I wish that was true, but country's can often make decisions based on simplistic ideology. States are certainly not always lead by leaders towards their best interests.

For example, if Israel was offered membership in NATO, meaning that if it was ever attacked all other members of NATO would come to its defense, would you really reject that based on an anti-globalist sentiment? The tangible benefit of henceforth being safe from attacks by Israel's hostile neighbors would be the main consideration. Other countries are presented with other tangible benefits to joining such organizations, whether related to security, economics, or diplomatic influence.

There really is nothing about ideology here, just national interests. Some interests are served by maintaining sovereignty, others are served by forming alliances, partnerships, trade pacts, etc. As the world grows smaller and more tightly bound due to technological progress, I would argue that interests will continue to overlap more and more rather than becoming more separate, and that will lead to continued conglomeration.

Well, you're making a big assumption with that last statement. There are non-economic factors at play, however, that work directly against this increased conglomeration in many ways. It's obviously a big and complicated subject.

[Bonam]

Well, you're making a big assumption with that last statement. There are non-economic factors at play, however, that work directly against this increased conglomeration in many ways. It's obviously a big and complicated subject.

Big and complicated subjects need to be simplified in order to be discussed meaningfully in a medium such as an online forum. The first thing an engineer learns to do, when presented with an unsolvable or overly difficult problem is to simplify it, to make reasonable assumptions, to break it down into its component parts. When multiple factors affect a process, you identify the dominant factor(s) and characterize their effects. Unless extremely precise predictions are necessary, lesser effects can often be neglected.

My point of view is that the main driving force behind almost all change in modern human societies, whether economic or social, is technological progress. This progress inherently makes interaction and trade easier, causing a growth of both political and economic links between nations. This is the dominant factor. All other factors are secondary.

[Michael Hardner]

My point of view is that the main driving force behind almost all change in modern human societies, whether economic or social, is technological progress. This progress inherently makes interaction and trade easier, causing a growth of both political and economic links between nations. This is the dominant factor. All other factors are secondary.

I have always felt that it was a leading indicator but I've never seen it stated so boldly that it is THE force.

Thanks !

[GostHacked]

What about that Bilderberg stuff then. I have heard rumours about it. They have meetings with most of the big players, the wealthy and politically connected. Presidents, PM's, Royals. Yet their meetings are held in secret, behinf high security barriers.

So what are they talking about that's so important, and why can't we know what it is.

Makes you wonder. The richest of the rich, the most powerful among the powerful, from around the world, meet every year, in secrecy to just sit around and 'discuss' things. This is the 'boys club' of boys clubs. They were here in Ottawa a couple years back, and even our local Ottawa Police could not enter the BrookStreet grounds because of the Bilderberg's own security.

To me, these are the people who are bringing in this NWO. Order out of Chaos I beleive is one of their mantras. Cause problems around the world, to provide a solution, their solutuion. For the most part the masses are ignorant to it all, and will call you crazy for saying that people want to bring in this NWO.

I guess like anything else, you follow the money and it will lead you to the culprits. And in this day and age, it is the world bank and IMF, and the ever so useless UN. Once you are in the grips of those entities, you start to lose everything. It's slow and incremental so the ignorant wont take notice of it.

In another thread that Mr. Canada started (the lights going out) have nothing to do with the Muslim immigration. It has to do with prices skyrocketing across the board, educated people can't find work. Countries cannot pay back the insane amount of money they were lent from the world bank and IMF.

Here is a famous quote from one of these NWO/Bilderberg people.

Give me control of a nation's money(currency) and I care not who makes her laws.

Mayer Amschel Rothschild

We now see the uprising in the Middle East and North Africa. This was no accident and did not spontaneously happen. This is all on purpose.

Here, try this for a second. May give you some insight as to what is happening. Libya claimed that Al-Queda was causing issues and attacking the government in this recent crisis. Now the UN and NATO must go in for humanitarian reasons, to help the rebels fight the government. Now if the UN and NATO are going in to help and arm the rebels, who Qadaffi claim are Al-Queda, ... are we arming Al-Queda? In Iraq, these people were called insurgents. No one likes Qadaffi, and no one liked Hussein. But the results are the same eventhough the methods are slightly different. However, neither was about freedom of humanitarian needs. Both Libya and Iraq are about oil, that is it, oil. And to add, one person's fredom fighter, is another persons terrorist.

What it all boils down to as well, is there really is no right, or left. It does not matter what political party you vote for, they are controlled by the same people at the top, who are the ones really calling all the shots. All while we have been divided and conqured to the point that we are subdivided into marginalization. All while the powers that be pit us against each other, to keep us distracted while they carry out their plans. Because we are soo busy fighiting with each other, this is the sole reason they continue to get away with what they are doing. Compartmentalization prevents people from connecting the dots and seeing the bigger picture.

The problems around the world did not contribute to the birth of the UN, World Bank, IMF and NGOs. In fact it is quite the opposite. I see it, and have been seeing it for a couple decades. But I am told to put my tinfoil hat on.

[Oleg Bach]

The UN might act like it but they are not the world government. There is no world government. We barely have functioning domestic governments. Shakespear said that all lawyers should be hung....and he was pratially right. Lawyers have taken centuries of accumulate knowledge regarding on how to decieve that they are now expert in the art of artifice.

Here is how simply the operation is that is the new world order...Picture a man sitting on a bar stool...on his left is one person on his right is another. The man in the centre is a lawyer or similar creature...The lawyer leans over to one guy and whispers..."This guy over here told me that you had sex with your mother, is that true?" - Then the lawyer leans over to the other guy and states...."My friend over here insists that you are gay and you like young boys - Is that true?"

Then all hell breaks loose and both men beat each other to death...The lawyer stands up - goes to one man and takes his wallet...then goes to the other corpse and also takes his wallet. That's it in a nut shell - the NWO depends on human nature to manipulate the masses..on emotion! And mostly on fear.

These guys are highly trained mercenary types that never get their hands dirty. Personally years ago - I spent time at the home of an arms dealer...I said this guy that all of his money was blood money - He rationalized his activities as such..."I saved lives, I armed both sides"....the NWO guys play all sides. There is no left or right wing theology going on in their heads. They know we are stupid and they take advantage of the weak.

[Oleg Bach]

Oleg, I think you're capable of engaging far more imagination than this when you're howling at the moon.

There are far more interesting conspiracies out there, such as:

- The moon hole/hollow moon theory

- The Shadow People

- David Icke's theories

And those are just other people coming up with crazy stuff. I already begged you onto an open stage, and you declined. Why not start your own conspiracy, hmmm ?

Here are some suggestions:

- Computer monitors have built-in cameras

- The moon landing is still going on - the astronauts are still up there

- Dogs and cats communicate with the CIA through a complicated series of Flash Cards

- Hairspray makes you Spanish

Mike - you are nuts...and listen to Coast to Coast at night which has stupifed you.

[Michael Hardner]

Mike - you are nuts...and listen to Coast to Coast at night which has stupifed you.

Perhaps I'm nuts but you're a year behind in reading your posts it seems.

[M.Dancer]

Here is a famous quote from one of these NWO/Bilderberg people.

Give me control of a nation's money(currency) and I care not who makes her laws.

Mayer Amschel Rothschild

This is why I like you...you provide priceless entertainment.

The first Bildeberg conference was in the 1950s .... Mayer Rothchild died in 1812...

Please go on.... :lol:

[GostHacked]

This is why I like you...you provide priceless entertainment.

The first Bildeberg conference was in the 1950s .... Mayer Rothchild died in 1812...

Please go on.... :lol:

I save the real stuff for the adults.

[Oleg Bach]

I save the real stuff for the adults.

The New World Order fellows- now that you mention it are not adults...just spoiled little rich kids in the bodies of old men.

[M.Dancer]

I save the real stuff for the adults.

...as you bounce on art linkletter's knee

[William Ashley]

Commical title 20 years after the fact.

Fact is though this has been ongoing easily to WWII and well maybe a bit before that.

Same stuff different people.

They changed fancy hats a bit in the way in which people got to wear the hats the previous 200 to 300 years. Before that it was a little more chaotic but things havn't and don't change, it is just who has support and power in the vacuum, all the rest is just nonsensical dressings.

The only fact is how much support is required for the means of control as to enable continued control. The colouration on that is the intent of the controller. Whether benevolent or selfish.

Edited April 5, 2011 by William Ashley