Why don't right wingers

[maplesyrup]

Seriously why don't the right wingers believe in freedom of expression?

There are people here that post much more often, and yet because they are right wing, people like Kliege say nothing about their posting frequency.

Double standard, you bet.

You should walk the talk guys.

[Stoker]

maplesyrup, I don't know you, and I don't agree with the majority of what you say, but I never said that you can't say it.......I'd just think it to be easier to read all of your post reguarding polls, in one place, instead of reading numorus different threads that all say close to the same thing.......I'd say that one topic with updated poll results would be enough for this election run wouldn't you?

[maplesyrup]

What I truly believe is that right wingers are not used to a level playing field in the media, and the 'net , discussion groups such as here at Mapleleafweb, have to tendency to make things more equal.

I realize that probably 90% of the people that post here are right wing, and are used to seeing their point of view conveyed in the mainstream business oriented media in Canada.

That is why when the right sees a left wing point of view on a regular basis they are not used to it.

I respect the right wing to express their point of view, sometimes I learn things from them, but I don't have to read their posts if I do not wish to.

Personal attacks on people because you do not agree with their political persuasion is not on.

I think people need to keep that in mind.

(BTW Stoker this is not a response to your previous post above)

[Argus]

What I truly believe is that right wingers are not used to a level playing field in the media, and the 'net , discussion groups such as here at Mapleleafweb, have to tendency to make things more equal.

Right wingers aren't used to a level playing field in the media? That's for sure. The media has always been biased towards the left. Whether its the Asper papers and Global TV, or the CBC, or CTV, whose president declared Jean Chretien the greatest prime minister in history. The media is generally left of centre on all social issues. Hell, the so-called right wing Sun chain was among the first employers in Canada to grant pension rights to gay employees. On issues like homosexuality, abortion, immigration, gun control, feminism, medicare, etc., the media is almost universally left of centre, and tends to demonize anyone who isn't.

As for freedom of expression. It is the left which came up with hate laws, and which has made university campuses so PC that you can be expelled for offending people - even accidentally. It is the left which is now pushing anti-porn laws. It is the left which came up with and most supports the political gag laws the supreme court recently okayed (for fear of those evil rich people!). It is the left which demonizes people who have different viewpoints, assuming a moral superiority on issues simply because someone on the right disagrees with their opinions on how best to accomplish something.

[willy]

The lens that one views the world through has a huge impact on what one believes is reality.

Maplesyrup, thinks of the media as right wing. I think of the media more in terms of socially liberal.

The fiscal right wing views are put forth primarily on the business pages, but to say a right winger is represented in the media would not be my experience. i.e. Toronto Star, Globe and Mail, CBC

I personally don’t like the term left and right. It is to simplistic and does not represent many issues that make up parties or personal ideologies.

Economic

Environment

Social

Justice

Governance

Each of these areas can be approached from many directions and left and right is not an adequate description of any. E.g. it might be good for business to restrict certain types of development for environmental reasons.

What are the various views of what makes up Canadian politics.

Social aspects:

Guarantee of quality of life

Program provision to address social inequities

Facilitation and personal responsibility to address social inequity

No government responsibility

Justice aspects:

Punishment

Rehabilitation

Governance aspects:

Populism

Representative democracy

Central control

Local autonomy

Economic aspect:

Government investment

Tax incentive

Training base on need or technology

Market driven

The picture that makes up individual political ideology is more complex than this and when parties are formed it becomes more complex.

My question then becomes what is the outcome each party expects with the policies they hold. What is their vision?

I like what the NDP talks about by way of outcome but their process for achieving those outcomes seems inconsistent with human behaviour and economics as I understand them.

The Liberals are all things to all people. This to me means they are noting of substance. They have no vision other than staying in power, but for what? Chrétien’s Legacy!

The Conservatives are principled so far. They are clear on there direction they seek and their plans are consistent with there goals. They are not perfect, far from it but no party will ever agree with me completely, that is democracy.

[takeanumber]

Read "Hidden Agendas" (Brooks, Miljan, 2003) before you say anything about the ideological orientation of the media -- before either side starts nailing their writs to the cross.

Thank you.

(That goes for both Right Wingers and Left Wingers.)

[August1991]

What I truly believe is that right wingers are not used to a level playing field in the media, and the 'net , discussion groups such as here at Mapleleafweb, have to tendency to make things more equal.

I don't quite understand what you're on to here MS. Can you explain?

The lens that one views the world through has a huge impact on what one believes is reality.

I agree. Is that the issue here?

The media has always been biased towards the left. Whether its the Asper papers and Global TV, or the CBC, or CTV, whose president declared Jean Chretien the greatest prime minister in history.

I'm not so certain I would agree with all of that. The CBC, absolutely. But the other chains report the news. Perhaps because of the CRTC, they avoid controversy.

IMV, MS does raise an interesting question though. This is the first federal election in which discussion forums and weblogs may well carry more weight (among political obsessives anyway) than regular media. What does this mean exactly? Is this a form of town hall meeting? Can journalists get a better sense of what people think by reading these posts rather than asking taxi drivers?

[maplesyrup]

Willy....why single out Toronto Star, CBC, etc.?

CanWest Global control most of the media in this country, or are certainly the biggest media empire.

If we really had a representative press, the unions would have lots of newspapers, TV stations, etc. But they don't, although something in is the works, I believe.

Instead you have Fox TV.

You may think the CBC is left wing but from my perspective, they are not. The political shows they have -Rex Murphy host of Cross Canada Checkup is right wing, Anthony Germaine host of The House has an orgasism every time the Liberal name is mentioned, and Don Newman from Politics who is reasonably neutral. There is abdsolutely no NDP, or left wing representation there.

[willy]

If we really had a representative press, the unions would have lots of newspapers, TV stations, etc. But they don't, although something in is the works, I believe.

Out here in BC I can say that the reporters for both the Sun and the Province (both owned by the Aspers) are union members. Does that affect the way they report I don't know?

My experience is that most newspapers write for those that read them.

I pointed out the three I did for obvious reasons, they would be Liberal or socially progressive in view point.

I do like Don Newman; for the most part he tries not to be the story.

I do miss the Old National Post, now that was a Conservative newspaper.

[Slavik44]

Seriously why don't the right wingers believe in freedom of expression?

There are people here that post much more often, and yet because they are right wing, people like Kliege say nothing about their posting frequency.

Double standard, you bet.

You should walk the talk guys.

Seriously why don't the right wingers believe in freedom of expression?

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Perspective, What soemone may view as expression, a right winger may view as something entirely different.

Take abortion (PLEASE NOTE I DO NOT WANT TO DEBATE ABORTION,SO DO NOT TRY, I SIMPLY AM USING IT AS AN EXAMPLE) a right winger views abortion as murder, so from their perspective they are not limiting or controlling what other's do, just up holding the laws of the land.

Take dancing around in the street naked, a left winger may view that as freedom of expression, where as a right winger may view that as Causing an un-neccasary public disturbance.

the Left can look at it their way and the right their way.

However to say that they don;t belive in freedom of expression is wrong, they simple view things from a different perspective. When viewing fromt hat perspective it is not seen as "controlling" other people, "limiting" peoples freedoms, or holding a double standard.

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There are people here that post much more often, and yet because they are right wing, people like Kliege say nothing about their posting frequency.

Double standard, you bet.

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uhmm...what does posting frequency have to do with anything? you make no sense here and have seem to gone off on soem sort of side rant to coem up with a double standarad. perhaps you coudl explain thsi oen further. As it appears to be a few lines of mindless ramblings.

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[Argus]

Perspective, What soemone may view as expression, a right winger may view as something entirely different.

Take abortion (PLEASE NOTE I DO NOT WANT TO DEBATE ABORTION,SO DO NOT TRY, I SIMPLY AM USING IT AS AN EXAMPLE) a right winger views abortion as murder, so from their perspective they are not limiting or controlling what other's do, just up holding the laws of the land.

That's too simplistic. Only the religious right have a major problem with abortion. I consider myself right wing and I don't really care much about abortion, though I think it's somewhat wasteful, especially in later months. And true right wingers tend to not support laws which clamp down on individual freedom unless there is a very, very good reason.

Take dancing around in the street naked, a left winger may view that as freedom of expression, where as a right winger may view that as Causing an un-neccasary public disturbance.

Depends on the looks and talent and, I admit it, the sex of the person or people doing the dancing.

[CanadaRocks]

people like Kliege say nothing about their posting frequency.

So long as the board administrators do not limit members unequally it really doesn't matter who else complains does it?

When someones gripin' kinda lets you know you struck a nerve.

I say post whatever you feel like as often as you wish.

When the board administrators start supporting one side or the other, thats the time we should take a hard serious look.

Meanwhile, lets all keep our thoughts rollin, gripin or supporting, its all rocknroll to me.