bush_cheney2004 Posted February 5, 2010 Report Posted February 5, 2010 I'm becoming quite curious about this, too. Why?....the forum engine is American, the hosting service is American, the vast majority of OS' used are American, the preferred search engine is American, the CPUs are American, and an American (Al Gore) invented the Internet! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 5, 2010 Report Posted February 5, 2010 Like I said, they have access. In the case of Nunavut, that access can be difficult. They have access to what? The same services as Belinda Stronach in Ontario? Nope. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dizzy Posted February 5, 2010 Report Posted February 5, 2010 Not if they had additional insurance. My parents are retired and have had heart surgeries at Mayo, completely covered. And they don't own a million dollars worth of houses. I repeat. That $600,000 could buy them supplemental insurance with a lot left over. I'm not going to pretend that I know the finer details of their scenario. But I do know that supplemental (even in the most basic form) is quite expensive in the US. It does seem that the better option in terms of quality access vs. cost for them is to pay taxes to and utilize in Québec. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 5, 2010 Report Posted February 5, 2010 I'm not going to pretend that I know the finer details of their scenario. But I do know that supplemental (even in the most basic form) is quite expensive in the US. It does seem that the better option in terms of quality access vs. cost for them is to pay taxes to and utilize in Québec. True....unless they want a third term abortion in Quebec. Then it's off to the USA! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dizzy Posted February 5, 2010 Report Posted February 5, 2010 Why?....the forum engine is American, the hosting service is American, the vast majority of OS' used are American, the preferred search engine is American, the CPUs are American, and an American (Al Gore) invented the Internet! No one is doubting the great accomplishments of the american empire, but I do question your implied contribution. I suspect that you're just a taxpayer. Quote
dizzy Posted February 5, 2010 Report Posted February 5, 2010 True....unless they want a third term abortion in Quebec. Then it's off to the USA! Uh, they're in there 70s... Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 5, 2010 Report Posted February 5, 2010 Uh, they're in there 70s... So what? You missed the larger point vis-a-vis "health care". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 5, 2010 Report Posted February 5, 2010 No one is doubting the great accomplishments of the american empire, but I do question your implied contribution. I suspect that you're just a taxpayer. Yes, I am just a humble American taxpayer. Is that too "nationalistic" for you? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dizzy Posted February 5, 2010 Report Posted February 5, 2010 So what? You missed the larger point vis-a-vis "health care". The larger point is long gone from this thread. Quote
dizzy Posted February 5, 2010 Report Posted February 5, 2010 Yes, I am just a humble American taxpayer. Is that too "nationalistic" for you? No,that's right where you belong. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 5, 2010 Report Posted February 5, 2010 The larger point is long gone from this thread. Yes, with your contributed meandering....fee-fi-fo-fum.....I smell an AMERICUN! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dizzy Posted February 5, 2010 Report Posted February 5, 2010 Yes, with your contributed meandering....fee-fi-fo-fum.....I smell an AMERICUN! You mistake my distrust of your intentions as a hatred of americans. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 5, 2010 Report Posted February 5, 2010 You mistake my distrust of your intentions as a hatred of americans. No, I am just using your defensive side-show to run up my post count. Newbies are always good for 100 points! Hang around long enough and our love will bloom! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest American Woman Posted February 5, 2010 Report Posted February 5, 2010 (edited) I'm not going to pretend that I know the finer details of their scenario. But I do know that supplemental (even in the most basic form) is quite expensive in the US. It does seem that the better option in terms of quality access vs. cost for them is to pay taxes to and utilize in Québec. Just how expensive do you "know" Medicare supplemental insurance (even in the most basic form) to be?? An answer to that would be nice, but I won't hold my breath. They're 75 years old. If they live to be 95, that $600,000 would break down to $30,000 a year, and that's not including interest they could earn on it. If they plan on living to be 105, it breaks down to $20,000 without interest. Please don't tell me you don't think they could get supplemental insurance for that, much less without anything left over. As I said, both of my parents have had heart surgery at Mayo, completely covered. And again. They are no where near owning a million dollars in real estate. Edited February 5, 2010 by American Woman Quote
dizzy Posted February 5, 2010 Report Posted February 5, 2010 Just how expensive do you "know" Medicare supplemental insurance (even in the most basic form) to be?? An answer to that would be nice, but I won't hold my breath. They're 75 years old. If they live to be 95, that $600,000 would break down to $30,000 a year, and that's not including interest they could earn on it. If they plan on living to be 105, it breaks down to $20,000 without interest. Please don't tell me you don't think they could get supplemental insurance for that, much less without anything left over. As I said, both of my parents have had heart surgery at Mayo, completely covered. And again. They are no where near owning a million dollars in real estate. As I mentioned earlier, I'm happy to provide you with all of the answers in the world once they return. Quote
dizzy Posted February 5, 2010 Report Posted February 5, 2010 No, I am just using your defensive side-show to run up my post count. Newbies are always good for 100 points! Hang around long enough and our love will bloom! what a fun way to spend a thursday night. Quote
wyly Posted February 5, 2010 Report Posted February 5, 2010 ...quality of care does vary by location. as it does any any country event the US...and not only by state but by race as wellSurvival rates varied among the 16 states and six metropolitan areas included in the study.Idaho had the best survival rates for rectal cancer in men and Seattle was highest for rectal cancer in women. Patients in Seattle also had the best survival rates for prostate cancer. For all other cancers studied, patients in Hawaii had the highest survival rates. Patients in New York City had the lowest survival rates for all four cancers except rectal cancer in both men and women. For those, patients in Wyoming had the lowest survival rate. A racial gap in survival was evident, with white patients more likely than blacks to survive, especially breast cancer. "The comparison is confirmed right across the USA, in all 16 states," Coleman says of the racial gap. things don't look for a black men with rectal cancer in Wyoming, or if you're black anywhere in the US Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Guest American Woman Posted February 5, 2010 Report Posted February 5, 2010 As I mentioned earlier, I'm happy to provide you with all of the answers in the world once they return. You're going to have to wait until they can tell you what you think? Ummmmm. Ok. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 5, 2010 Report Posted February 5, 2010 as it does any any country event the US...and not only by state but by race as well You keep missing the glaring difference...there is no CHA imperative in the USA. Accordingly, why aren't ALL Canadians given access to equal care? things don't look for a black men with rectal cancer in Wyoming, or if you're black anywhere in the US The Mayo Clinic is one hour away should my black rectum ever need it. Meanwhile, back in Canada, they still rely mostly on the cheaper FOBT instead of more expensive and effective endoscopy. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted February 5, 2010 Report Posted February 5, 2010 You keep missing the glaring difference...there is no CHA imperative in the USA. Accordingly, why aren't ALL Canadians given access to equal care? Where does it say that care has to be universal across the country? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 5, 2010 Report Posted February 5, 2010 Where does it say that care has to be universal across the country? The aim of the CHA is to ensure that all eligible residents of Canada have reasonable access to insured health services on a prepaid basis, without direct charges at the point of service for such services. http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hcs-sss/medi-assur/cha-lcs/overview-apercu-eng.php Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted February 5, 2010 Report Posted February 5, 2010 The aim of the CHA is to ensure that all eligible residents of Canada have reasonable access to insured health services on a prepaid basis, without direct charges at the point of service for such services. http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hcs-sss/medi-assur/cha-lcs/overview-apercu-eng.php And right after your bold, it says REASONABLE ACCESS. It doesn't say equal access. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 5, 2010 Report Posted February 5, 2010 And right after your bold, it says REASONABLE ACCESS. It doesn't say equal access. Doesn't matter.....several provinces fail even at that threshold for all eligible citizens. And yes, I know that Canada has no equal protection clause! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dizzy Posted February 5, 2010 Report Posted February 5, 2010 You're going to have to wait until they can tell you what you think? Ummmmm. Ok. I'm going to wait to hear their story before I pretend to know it. Quote
dizzy Posted February 5, 2010 Report Posted February 5, 2010 things don't look for a black men with rectal cancer in Wyoming, or if you're black anywhere in the US It's not only black people. Latinos, and those from certain geographic regions (kentucky, southern texas, etc) either do not have reasonable access or are physically abused by the system in the name of profiteering. Here's an articulate account of one region's experience: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/06/01/090601fa_fact_gawande Quote
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