Cyberwar is a reality now

[GostHacked]

http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2010/01/135105.htm

http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html

Like many other well-known organizations, we face cyber attacks of varying degrees on a regular basis. In mid-December, we detected a highly sophisticated and targeted attack on our corporate infrastructure originating from China that resulted in the theft of intellectual property from Google. However, it soon became clear that what at first appeared to be solely a security incident--albeit a significant one--was something quite different.

It already is a problem and concern for the US and soon enough this will become a real problem for the world as a whole. I have always stated that the more things become connected and inter-connected, that these types of things are going to be more common and more devastating. It's not just Google that has been hit by hackers from China.

Alrhough it is nothing new that much hacking is originating from China, but now one of the Internets biggest dogs has been bitten. I expect some hard retaliation from Google and the US.

I actually like Google's reaction to it all. Essentially saying that if they don't get direction/information from China, then Google is going to possible tear down the Great Firewall of China. This would be a serious threat to China's ability to close off information from the outside world.

Interesting times.

[Michael Hardner]

Check this: google.cn - search for tienamen

[bjre]

http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2010/01/135105.htm

http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html

...

Microsoft CEO says no China exit -- CEO says recent cyber-attacks not out of ordinary

The company's stance indicates the world's largest software maker is not likely to support its fierce rival in its battle with China and rebuffs broad U.S. political backing for Google.

"There are attacks every day. I don't think there was anything unusual, so I don't understand," Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer told Reuters after a meeting on modernizing government services at the White House.

"We're attacked every day from all parts of the world and I think everybody else is too. We didn't see anything out of the ordinary."

Now is Hillary Clinton who aggressively launch this cyberwar. Internet censership is exist in US and Canada. it is nothing new.

The result from Google search engine is not free, it is a result of business operations, it has connection with the interest of the organizations who controls Google and American.

They want to replace the dominate voice from China with the voice of their own business. They don't care if China become an un-stable place like Somali, Iraq or Afghanistan that people kill each other. They have attempted to bewilder the people with superstition and groundless fears (such as WMD, H1N1, CO2 lead to global warming, religion war, etc) by means of all kind of media. So that they can take more money from people all over the world.

Edited January 16, 2010 by bjre

[punked]

Internet censership is exist in US and Canada. it is nothing new.

Example please?

[bjre]

Example please?

Watch this video to see how Canadian Human Rights Commission do internet censorship

http://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/Parlvu/ContentEntityDetailView.aspx?ContentEntityId=5071

[punked]

Watch this video to see how Canadian Human Rights Commission do internet censorship

http://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/Parlvu/ContentEntityDetailView.aspx?ContentEntityId=5071

I watched half of it, none of that was internet censorship they didn't stop people from writing, although they watched them for planning hate crimes yes.

[bjre]

they didn't stop people from writing

Go to CBC web site and click any news and try to post a comment for example this one:

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/01/15/haiti-canada-missing.html

You will find:

Comments on this story are pre-moderated. Before they appear, comments are reviewed by moderators to ensure they meet our submission guidelines.

Comments are open and welcome until Friday, January 22, 2010 at 11:59 p.m. ET.

We reserve the right to close comments before then.

Is this stop some people from writing?

[punked]

Go to CBC web site and click any news and try to post a comment for example this one:

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/01/15/haiti-canada-missing.html

You will find:

Comments on this story are pre-moderated. Before they appear, comments are reviewed by moderators to ensure they meet our submission guidelines.

Comments are open and welcome until Friday, January 22, 2010 at 11:59 p.m. ET.

We reserve the right to close comments before then.

Is this stop some people from writing?

That is an organization, a news organization, at that stopping people from using their forum to spread things they may not be true. That isn't internet censorship, if you want to express your opinion you can take out an internet site and express it. You are just wrong here. You can express your opinion but you can also be sued for your opinion, that is a different kettle of fish altogether.

[bjre]

That is an organization, a news organization, at that stopping people from using their forum to spread things they may not be true. That isn't internet censorship, if you want to express your opinion you can take out an internet site and express it. You are just wrong here. You can express your opinion but you can also be sued for your opinion, that is a different kettle of fish altogether.

Why should some people be sued because express their opinion?

[punked]

Why should some people be sued because express their opinion?

I don't know but Defamation applies across the spectrum, you are not allowed to make stuff up about people and pretend it is real. In Canada that applies to the internet and the CBC is covering their bum, that however isn't censorship.

[bjre]

I don't know but Defamation applies across the spectrum, you are not allowed to make stuff up about people and pretend it is real. In Canada that applies to the internet and the CBC is covering their bum, that however isn't censorship.

In your opinion, what is a censorship?

[punked]

In your opinion, what is a censorship?

That would be the government actually stopping people and editing people's, or blocking their websites.

The government doesn't do that however private citizens do. If I sue the CBC because someone says things which are wrong about me, the government is not censoring their opinion I am.

[bjre]

That would be the government actually stopping people and editing people's, or blocking their websites.

I watched half of it, none of that was internet censorship they didn't stop people from writing, although they watched them for planning hate crimes yes.

If they find someone planing hate crimes in Internet, will they let it be without stoping / editing / blocking it?

Do you think if this is necessary?

Why it is necessary or not necessary?

If you go to Google's German website: http://images.google.de/advanced_image_search?hl=en and click "No filtering" option in SafeSearch, you will find the following text:

Note: You have selected the least restrictive filter for your results. Images not compliant with German law will still be filtered. You may, however, see some images that you consider inappropriate for minors. If minors are using your browser we suggest enabling strict filtering.

Do you think it is stoping/editing/blocking some internet content?

Do you think if it is censorship or not?

Do you think if it is correct or not?

If correct why German do it is correct, while China do it is not correct?

If it is not correct, do you think if Clinton should do something against Germany?

[Guest TrueMetis]

If they find someone planing hate crimes in Internet, will they let it be without stoping / editing / blocking it?

Do you think if this is necessary?

Why it is necessary or not necessary?

If you go to Google's German website: http://images.google.de/advanced_image_search?hl=en and click "No filtering" option in SafeSearch, you will find the following text:

Note: You have selected the least restrictive filter for your results. Images not compliant with German law will still be filtered. You may, however, see some images that you consider inappropriate for minors. If minors are using your browser we suggest enabling strict filtering.

Do you think it is stoping/editing/blocking some internet content?

Do you think if it is censorship or not?

Do you think if it is correct or not?

If correct why German do it is correct, while China do it is not correct?

If it is not correct, do you think if Clinton should do something against Germany?

German censors Nazi stuff because of their past. China censors anything that the Government doesn't like. There is a huge difference.

[bjre]

German censors Nazi stuff because of their past. China censors anything that the Government doesn't like. There is a huge difference.

What German worry about? If they don't censor it what will happen?

Edited January 17, 2010 by bjre

[bjre]

German censors Nazi stuff because of their past. China censors anything that the Government doesn't like. There is a huge difference.

TrueMetis:

Why Canadian Human Rights Commission censors Internet? Why don't they just let it be? What are they worry about?

[Guest TrueMetis]

What German worry about? If they don't censor it what will happen?

There is a small Neo-Nazi movement in Germany they don't want it gaining any power.

[bjre]

There is a small Neo-Nazi movement in Germany they don't want it gaining any power.

What are they worry about if the small movement gaining power?

[Guest TrueMetis]

What are they worry about if the small movement gaining power?

Do you know anything about history?

[bjre]

Do you know anything about history?

I have some limited knowledge about history.

I just want to know what do you think about: what will happen if the small movement gain power, so that you can justify their censorship.

[Guest TrueMetis]

I have some limited knowledge about history.

I just want to know what do you think about: what will happen if the small movement gain power, so that you can justify their censorship.

They are Neo-Nazis they believe they are a superior race and have the right to exterminate all those they don't consider strong. Look up World War 2.

[bjre]

They are Neo-Nazis they believe they are a superior race and have the right to exterminate all those they don't consider strong. Look up World War 2.

Are you suggesting that if let the Neo-Nazis gain power, that will lead to kill people. So you think if there is something that could lead to killing, then the Internet content should be censored and blocked?

[Guest TrueMetis]

Are you suggesting that if let the Neo-Nazis gain power, that will lead to kill people.

Considering that is exactly what happened last time Nazis got into power yes.

So you think if there is something that could lead to killing, then the Internet content should be censored and blocked?

If something will lead to killing I think everything about it should be censored and blocked. These Neo-Nazis have and will kill people.

[bjre]

If something will lead to killing I think everything about it should be censored and blocked. These Neo-Nazis have and will kill people.

That is the reason China has law to block some messages. The main part is from all organizations supported by CIA, their lies lead to many people die near Tiananmen square in 1989, and in Lhasa in 2008 and in Ulumuqi in 2009. CIA's people is everywhere, they are controlled by US government, the US government is controlled by big business, they want to earn money, they want their representatives in every government to make laws for them to do robbery from people in every nation. If they feel hard to do that they send messages to let people protest and riot so that police or army will make order in the country, when people die, they can use that to make more riots, or simply send army there, until their people can be the main part of the government. They are the root of all un-stable part of this world now. They have money, they have better technology, their work is efficient.

China is not perfect, it has many problems, China is working on that, and they work very well, the people there live much better life then 30 years before.

But the big business mainly in US still feel hard to control it, they want more, they don't care how many people will be killed in riots. They care only money. They don't care even people in west nations, they make many un-stable places in the world, when those people in those places become angry and try to kill back to the west, they sell security machines to earn more, they don't care the people in western nations also lost many things include privacy, human right, freedom, lifes of army guys and journalists, and many others. They did it in many countries.

The censorship in China is to avoid this kind of killing people events.

I fully understand why China do that censorship, they make their country more stable and the world more peaceful.

The freedom of speech is important, but in western countries, you can not get information from all aspect, you can get part of the truth that from the media controlled by big business. China is still weak that they are not able to fight the western media if they don't censors Internet. When the day real freedom of speech is available in western nations, so that all truth will be available in western media, no more Iraq WMD lies, no more H1N1 scandals, no more CO2 lead to global warming lies, no more religion wars, I hope China can remove all the censorship at that time.

I hope the people in western nations can get more education, and be more knowledgeable to understand that it is the big business that make them lost so much. I hope they can get real democracy that they can truly decide they own life instead of always fooled by media. I hope they can get rid of the fate always be robbed by insurance companies, banks, hospitals, medical companies, CAS and the legal system, and many others. I hope they can live better life someday.

Edited January 17, 2010 by bjre

[Guest TrueMetis]

China censors the subjects of democracy, the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989, Falun Gong, Tibetan independence, Taiwan independence, police brutality, anarchism, pornography, news sources that report on these issues, religious content, etc. They go far far beyond what any western country censors.

Edited January 17, 2010 by TrueMetis