Alta4ever Posted February 25, 2010 Report Posted February 25, 2010 Distortion is one thing: Al Gore's film took out a time lag from a graph in order to show correlation, for example. That's misleading, but not anywhere near as cynical as what Beck is doing. And he should have a higher standard to meet than bloggers do - after all he's paid to talk on a "news" network. Here we are talking about the science - whether 20th century proxy data can be mixed with confirmed temperatures, in an open debate, while people are instead listening to charlatans like Beck. They're not listening to Gore anymore. You wouldn't have a problem if Al Gore said, candidly, "you know, I don't really think there's anything in this Global Warming thing. The numbers don't add up." ? I sure would, but maybe that's me. I'm done talking about beck in this thread if you want to continue this I would be happy too in a thread about beck and other commentators spin on this subject. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
waldo Posted February 25, 2010 Report Posted February 25, 2010 Seems to be time to bring this forward again whaaaaa! Are you, like... 12 years old? Buddy, you need to man-up... if you take a bitch-slap, wipe yourself off and come back harder next time. Would you like it if I took it a little easier on you? but thanks for the segway... it seems the loyal denier posse has lost it's leader - Riverwind has gone MIA! I'm sure it had nothing to do with continually highlighting that his posts and positions invariably fronted on conspiracy angles... I'm sure it had nothing to do with his last MLW post where the rug was completely pulled out from under his presumption of E&E being a sound, reputable "scientific" journal - here... the last Riverwind MLW post (let's see if this pulls him back into the fray ) c'mon Altaboy... you and Shady need to pick up the slack for the MIA Riverwind. Quote
Alta4ever Posted February 26, 2010 Report Posted February 26, 2010 whaaaaa! Are you, like... 12 years old? Buddy, you need to man-up... if you take a bitch-slap, wipe yourself off and come back harder next time. I don't know what it is about you but you always seem to write posts about yourself. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
waldo Posted February 26, 2010 Report Posted February 26, 2010 I don't know what it is about you but you always seem to write posts about yourself. classic - you take a thumpin, a rubbin, a slammin... and your recourse is to run to this lil thread for cover Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 26, 2010 Report Posted February 26, 2010 (edited) redacted Edited February 26, 2010 by Michael Hardner Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
jbg Posted February 26, 2010 Report Posted February 26, 2010 Neither. Waldo and Wyly seem to think the world is going to end and Riverwind comes off as a conspiracy theorist. I think that AGW has become more like a religion than a science. Waldo and Wyly, unfortunately, fall into this trap. Every "it is possible" morphs into a certainty. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted February 26, 2010 Report Posted February 26, 2010 HOLY CRAP BILL!!!!!!! Which sitting Prime Minister did you just describe to a T???? Australia's Labour PM. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
waldo Posted February 26, 2010 Report Posted February 26, 2010 I think that AGW has become more like a religion than a science. Waldo and Wyly, unfortunately, fall into this trap. Every "it is possible" morphs into a certainty. certainty? We've had several past discussions around certainty... usually fronted around those that presumed to challenge the science based on less than 100% certainty 'likelihood categorizations' used within IPCC reports. If you're presuming to bring forward another wrinkle to the 'science is settled' meme, why not just be upfront about it! Quote
Alta4ever Posted February 26, 2010 Report Posted February 26, 2010 classic - you take a thumpin, a rubbin, a slammin... and your recourse is to run to this lil thread for cover Not looking for cover. Just reminding you how convincing you are. Even those that side with you don't think you are convincing. Nor will I ever bother to waste my time debating with you or Wyly on the merits of you arguement because you are a fanatic. Althought I am more then happy to debate these matters with other less fanatical posters like Micheal, smallc, ect. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
jbg Posted February 26, 2010 Report Posted February 26, 2010 The problem with the AGW debate is illustrated by this. It shouldn't be about personalities but it always seems to be.Not for me. Back in 1988 when I first heard about Hansen's "global warming" testimony, I remember saying to someone "what kind of cr@p is this". This is before the subject became heavily politicized. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
waldo Posted February 26, 2010 Report Posted February 26, 2010 Not for me. Back in 1988 when I first heard about Hansen's "global warming" testimony, I remember saying to someone "what kind of cr@p is this". This is before the subject became heavily politicized. care to take a walk down the history path and look at exactly how well his early projections fit to (now decades old) observations... clearly, you feel you have something to say/suggest about Hansen - perhaps you could expand upon your, as you say, "crap" assessment. Quote
waldo Posted February 26, 2010 Report Posted February 26, 2010 Not looking for cover. Just reminding you how convincing you are. Even those that side with you don't think you are convincing. Nor will I ever bother to waste my time debating with you or Wyly on the merits of you arguement because you are a fanatic. Althought I am more then happy to debate these matters with other less fanatical posters like Micheal, smallc, ect. then don't be such a wimp ice-hole and run for thread cover Who are you trying to kid... your presumed convincing self has never been on display throughout climate related threads. C'mon, don't be shy - I've danced with you in other non-climate related threads - you're a light-weight non-entity... a machination in your own mind. Invariably, your right-wing fanaticism has risen to the forefront, very quickly... either that, or you devolve into rants around the inequitable treatment you presume Alberta receives, which, invariably leads to you pulling the separatist card. Yes, you're most certainly a convincing benchmark reference - indeed! Quote
Alta4ever Posted February 26, 2010 Report Posted February 26, 2010 then don't be such a wimp ice-hole and run for thread cover Who are you trying to kid... your presumed convincing self has never been on display throughout climate related threads. C'mon, don't be shy - I've danced with you in other non-climate related threads - you're a light-weight non-entity... a machination in your own mind. Invariably, your right-wing fanaticism has risen to the forefront, very quickly... either that, or you devolve into rants around the inequitable treatment you presume Alberta receives, which, invariably leads to you pulling the separatist card. Yes, you're most certainly a convincing benchmark reference - indeed! So says the non entity with delusions of grandeur. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
jbg Posted February 26, 2010 Report Posted February 26, 2010 care to take a walk down the history path and look at exactly how well his early projections fit to (now decades old) observations... clearly, you feel you have something to say/suggest about Hansen - perhaps you could expand upon your, as you say, "crap" assessment. Show me. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
waldo Posted February 26, 2010 Report Posted February 26, 2010 So says the non entity with delusions of grandeur. such a... non-entity... that you felt the need to pull back the covers on this thread I certainly look forward to your first actual contribution to... any... climate related thread - don't be shy now Quote
waldo Posted February 26, 2010 Report Posted February 26, 2010 Show me. interesting... usually... the onus is on the initiator - that's you. You offered an unsubstantiated denigration of Hansen, characterizing Hansen's U.S. Congressional testimony as, as you say, "crap". Since that testimony reflected upon the science... his science... you should be prepared to backup your assertion, if challenged. To throw it back with a curt, 'show me', hardly supports your initial statement - ya think? Quote
Keepitsimple Posted February 26, 2010 Report Posted February 26, 2010 22 votes to 4. That says it all.....but assuming Waldo and Wyly (mini-me) voted for themselves, I can't understand where they managed to get two supporters. Quote Back to Basics
waldo Posted February 26, 2010 Report Posted February 26, 2010 22 votes to 4. That says it all.....but assuming Waldo and Wyly (mini-me) voted for themselves, I can't understand where they managed to get two supporters. Simple... are you the new denier posse leader? Is Riverwind MIA... or AWOL Quote
jbg Posted February 28, 2010 Report Posted February 28, 2010 interesting... usually... the onus is on the initiator - that's you. You offered an unsubstantiated denigration of Hansen, characterizing Hansen's U.S. Congressional testimony as, as you say, "crap". Since that testimony reflected upon the science... his science... you should be prepared to backup your assertion, if challenged. To throw it back with a curt, 'show me', hardly supports your initial statement - ya think? You said "walk down the history path and look at exactly how well his early projections fit". I asked you to take me down that walk. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
waldo Posted February 28, 2010 Report Posted February 28, 2010 You said "walk down the history path and look at exactly how well his early projections fit". I asked you to take me down that walk. as I said, the onus is on you... as the initiator... to substantiate your claim. The onus is most certainly not on me to invalidate your claim. Of course, you could also simply state your denigration of Hansen reflects simply on your unsubstantiated opinion. It's either that... or you "show me", right? My suggestion for you to look at how well Hansen's earliest projections have stood the test of time is certainly one avenue available to you - perhaps you have your own basis for your "crap" assessment. Either way, your own basis or my suggestion to look at his earliest projections... your choice... to substantiate your denigration of Hansen. Your choice to validate your assertion, to substantiate your claim - your choice... to "show me". Quote
jbg Posted February 28, 2010 Report Posted February 28, 2010 Your choice to validate your assertion, to substantiate your claim - your choice... to "show me".Not when you said his earlier Nostradamian predictions have verified. That's an assertion for you to back up. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
waldo Posted February 28, 2010 Report Posted February 28, 2010 Back in 1988 when I first heard about Hansen's "global warming" testimony, I remember saying to someone "what kind of cr@p is this". care to take a walk down the history path and look at exactly how well his early projections fit to (now decades old) observations... clearly, you feel you have something to say/suggest about Hansen - perhaps you could expand upon your, as you say, "crap" assessment. Show me. interesting... usually... the onus is on the initiator - that's you. You offered an unsubstantiated denigration of Hansen, characterizing Hansen's U.S. Congressional testimony as, as you say, "crap". Since that testimony reflected upon the science... his science... you should be prepared to backup your assertion, if challenged. To throw it back with a curt, 'show me', hardly supports your initial statement - ya think? You said "walk down the history path and look at exactly how well his early projections fit". I asked you to take me down that walk. as I said, the onus is on you... as the initiator... to substantiate your claim. The onus is most certainly not on me to invalidate your claim. Of course, you could also simply state your denigration of Hansen reflects simply on your unsubstantiated opinion. It's either that... or you "show me", right? My suggestion for you to look at how well Hansen's earliest projections have stood the test of time is certainly one avenue available to you - perhaps you have your own basis for your "crap" assessment. Either way, your own basis or my suggestion to look at his earliest projections... your choice... to substantiate your denigration of Hansen. Your choice to validate your assertion, to substantiate your claim - your choice... to "show me".Not when you said his earlier Nostradamian predictions have verified. That's an assertion for you to back up. excellent! Clearly, your Nostradamus declarative presents a clarification of your stated "crap" assessment. But why are you back-peddling - as I said, clearly you have something to say/suggest about Hansen. In support of your back-peddling, I've highlighted exactly what's been said. Why are you so reluctant to qualify your grandiose statements? C'mon buddy, step up... it was your initial claim. As you will note, I didn't offer any assessment on those earliest Hansen projections... I simply asked, "care to take a walk down the history path and look at exactly how well his early projections fit to (now decades old) observations". C'mon buddy, do you care to... as you stated, "show me" how well his projections fit to observations. Or will you just continue to express your reluctance in substantiating your claims... just continue your back-peddling. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted February 28, 2010 Report Posted February 28, 2010 NOT where is Waldo? But who is Waldo? Quote
jbg Posted February 28, 2010 Report Posted February 28, 2010 I simply asked, "care to take a walk down the history path and look at exactly how well his early projections fit to (now decades old) observations". C'mon buddy, do you care to... as you stated, "show me" how well his projections fit to observations. Or will you just continue to express your reluctance in substantiating your claims... just continue your back-peddling.And I asked what early projections proved out. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
waldo Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 And I asked what early projections proved out. and I asked if you could substantiate your "crap" assessment... why continue your dance - your backpedal? Quote
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