myata Posted December 14, 2009 Report Posted December 14, 2009 The only way to avoid these "just" wars (justification being in the eye of the beholder) is to make organisation, participation and complicity in all aggressive military actions abroad a criminal offense prosecuted in the country under our law. War is by far a too lucrative undertaking (and business), to leave it to politicians judgement. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
eyeball Posted December 14, 2009 Report Posted December 14, 2009 But here is where you meet with a thorny problem, as Canada said "No!" to Iraq. So how can there be independent action on one hand, but dominance on the other? Wasn't it you who pointed out the US didn't even want Canada to join in the invasion of Iraq? We would have only gotten in the way or something as I recall. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 15, 2009 Report Posted December 15, 2009 Wasn't it you who pointed out the US didn't even want Canada to join in the invasion of Iraq? We would have only gotten in the way or something as I recall. N0o....it was PM Chretien who made sure of this....guarding his firm seat on the fence. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 15, 2009 Report Posted December 15, 2009 The only way to avoid these "just" wars (justification being in the eye of the beholder) is to make organisation, participation and complicity in all aggressive military actions abroad a criminal offense prosecuted in the country under our law. This would have no impact whatsoever....except for more pattycake fun defining "aggressive military actions", since Canada has specialized in defining "peacekilling military actions". War is by far a too lucrative undertaking (and business), to leave it to politicians judgement. That is why we have war bonds. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jbg Posted December 15, 2009 Report Posted December 15, 2009 That's right. Canada, France, and the United States. Acting as thugs. Are you saying we had to provide Aristedes unlimited funds too? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bloodyminded Posted December 15, 2009 Report Posted December 15, 2009 Are you saying we had to provide Aristedes unlimited funds too? Provide him unlimited funds? Where the hell did you get that? Have we comne to such a pretty pass that the powerful nations now have only two choices: "provide unlimited funds," or overthrow elected leaders? Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
myata Posted December 15, 2009 Report Posted December 15, 2009 This would have no impact whatsoever....except for more pattycake fun defining "aggressive military actions", since Canada has specialized in defining "peacekilling military actions". We all know what it's all about though. "GOing" there and doing things (to "them"). Legalities can be defined, given genuine desire and will. Does it exist though? I don't believe even our newest Nobel Peace winner is certain about that. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
jbg Posted December 16, 2009 Report Posted December 16, 2009 Provide him unlimited funds? Where the hell did you get that? Have we comne to such a pretty pass that the powerful nations now have only two choices: "provide unlimited funds," or overthrow elected leaders? If the threat is that without sufficient funds to fill Swiss bank accounts as well as provide bread for the dirt sandwiches the Haitians often have for their diet, the people will be allowed to starve, exactly. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 16, 2009 Report Posted December 16, 2009 We all know what it's all about though. "GOing" there and doing things (to "them"). Legalities can be defined, given genuine desire and will. Does it exist though? I don't believe even our newest Nobel Peace winner is certain about that. Genuine desire and will still translates as prevailing power and the will to use it. Your kind of "Justice" still sips from a fountain called Power. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
myata Posted December 16, 2009 Report Posted December 16, 2009 Your kind of "Justice" still sips from a fountain called Power. True, only a different flavour of it. Power to defend self, rather than dominate and change other. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 16, 2009 Report Posted December 16, 2009 True, only a different flavour of it. Power to defend self, rather than dominate and change other. It is one and the same. The very notion of drafting and enforcing any such legal mechanisms that you have described would ultimately require an enforcement action via the power of sovereign state(s). Accordingly, Power will decide what is "legal" and "illegal", just as before. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
myata Posted December 16, 2009 Report Posted December 16, 2009 (edited) Of course, a souvereign power can decide what it wants. It can decide, for a change, to limit the extent of application of its military power to its proper borders (and those of close allies). Edited December 17, 2009 by myata Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
bloodyminded Posted December 20, 2009 Report Posted December 20, 2009 If the threat is that without sufficient funds to fill Swiss bank accounts as well as provide bread for the dirt sandwiches the Haitians often have for their diet, the people will be allowed to starve, exactly. Oh, I see: the joint French-US-Canadian overthrow of an elected leader was done for the purpose of feeding starving Haitians. Man, our nobility is so complete that none of this was ever mentioned by any of the countries involved. Didn't come up. We're so GOOD that it's just obvious we do everything for the benefit of others. I'd love to hear when our massive alteration of policy occurred, unmentioned by any leaders, policymakers, or intellectual defenders. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
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