Gabriel Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 Times must be tough... All cuts to the military's already bloated budget would be at the top of my chopping block. Why are you even PRETENDING like you earn enough money to matter? Either you're unemployed or a 19-year-old women's studies major. Who do you think you're fooling? Get back at me when you break $40K a year. Is it any surprise that the extreme left is so anti-military? I bet they'd prefer to give the money to drug addicted Aboriginals and alcoholic single-mother white trash living in subsidized housing. Quote
JaysFan Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 Why are you even PRETENDING like you earn enough money to matter? Either you're unemployed or a 19-year-old women's studies major. Who do you think you're fooling? Get back at me when you break $40K a year. Is it any surprise that the extreme left is so anti-military? I bet they'd prefer to give the money to drug addicted Aboriginals and alcoholic single-mother white trash living in subsidized housing. Not necessarily, if they'd carpet bomb your home city/town like you'd have them do to others, I'd be okay with that.Taking out the right wing trash associated with you would be a bonus. Quote
Smallc Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 No department will be spared from the cuts when they start. Quote
JaysFan Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 No department will be spared from the cuts when they start. As no department should. But they should start with significant cuts to the military.They should be thankful they have a job and are being kept/paid by us. Quote
Smallc Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 They shouldn't start with significant cuts to the military just because you think they should. The pain should (and hopefully will) be spread out evenly. Quote
Guest TrueMetis Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 (edited) As no department should. But they should start with significant cuts to the military. They should be thankful they have a job and are being kept/paid by us. Our military is already underfunded and undermanned, we don't have the resources to defend our country, pretty much anyone could take huge pieces of Canada and we could do nothing about it. Why are people like you never able to understand that? Our current military budget is 18.2 billion, that's to defend and area of 9976140 square kilometres. Our healthcare budget is 172 billion that's about 8 times as much, we able to get great healthcare but are military is stuck with outdated equipment to defend us. The military needs a budget increase to get modern equipment then it can go back down to what it is now to make sure that the equipment is get up to date. Edited November 21, 2009 by TrueMetis Quote
Smallc Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 The health budget actually isn't that big, it;s 70% of that....and there's no way we could spend that on the military. We spend more than most countries as a total, but we can't spend what we necessarily need to...and we could never afford to spend enough. Quote
Guest TrueMetis Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 The health budget actually isn't that big, it;s 70% of that....and there's no way we could spend that on the military. We spend more than most countries as a total, but we can't spend what we necessarily need to...and we could never afford to spend enough. I know and I'm happy that we're increasing the budget I just wanted to put it in prespective. Quote
JaysFan Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 Our military is already underfunded and undermanned, we don't have the resources to defend our country, pretty much anyone could take huge pieces of Canada and we could do nothing about it. Why are people like you never able to understand that? Our current military budget is 18.2 billion, that's to defend and area of 9976140 square kilometres. Our healthcare budget is 172 billion that's about 8 times as much, we able to get great healthcare but are military is stuck with outdated equipment to defend us. The military needs a budget increase to get modern equipment then it can go back down to what it is now to make sure that the equipment is get up to date. And the last time we were invaded was?If the warmongering right wing weren't over in Afghanistan supporting the torturing of detainees, we'd have one less group to be concerned about. Bring the forces home first, let them stay on Canadian soil defending our borders as you claim they're vitally needed for, then we'll talk about necessary equipment purchases. Patrol ships and aircraft will be sufficient. Quote
Guest TrueMetis Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 (edited) And the last time we were invaded was? Long time ago, on the other hand we've had aircraft enter our airspace illegally multiple times some of them in the last year. We've also had subs and other boats illegally enter our waters. If the warmongering right wing weren't over in Afghanistan supporting the torturing of detainees, we'd have one less group to be concerned about. They were sent in by the liberals. Bring the forces home first, let them stay on Canadian soil defending our borders as you claim they're vitally needed for, then we'll talk about necessary equipment purchases. Patrol ships and aircraft will be sufficient. Don't have close to enough of either of those and without sufficient military it would matter how many boats and planes we have if they manage to get forces into Canada. We have a long coast and can't defend it all at once. Edited November 21, 2009 by TrueMetis Quote
justme Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 As no department should. But they should start with significant cuts to the military. What's to cut? The Navy consists of a couple supply ships and a few destroyers that are about 30 years old, and a dozen frigates. Almost all of the F-18s in the Air Force would fit in one American aircraft carrier and they're over 25 years old. There are about 60,000 people in the entire Canadian armed forces -- that's Navy, Air Force and Army. The money that's been spent on the armed forces in recent years has been to address the rusting out of it thanks to people that think like you. Canada has been cutting the military budget for decades and you can't cut much more and still have a viable military. They should be thankful they have a job and are being kept/paid by us. More like you should be thankful that they do what you haven't got the guts to do. Quote “The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities.” –Theodore Roosevelt “The symptoms of dying civilizations are well known. The death of faith; the degeneration of morals; contempt for the old values; collapse of the culture; paralysis of the will, but the two certain symptoms that a civilization has begun to die are a declining population and foreign invasions no longer resisted.” – Patrick J. Buchanan "Liberalism is the ideology of Western suicide. Its ideas pursued to their logical end will prove fatal to the West." -- James Burnham
wulf42 Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 (edited) As no department should. But they should start with significant cuts to the military. They should be thankful they have a job and are being kept/paid by us. Have you bumped your head?????????? We haven t got much of a Military now!! If anything we need to double it...this Liberal attitude such as your is why the Liberals in Canada are no longer a factor in Canadian politics, The Military is the defense of the country, Other Nato countries already think we are a joke because of lack of equipment from years of Liberal cuts.The Canadian Armed Forces is not "just a job" obviously you have never spent a day in the Military and have never been deployed so you should stick to topics you know.Want to save money in this country cut back on MP's salaries and stop wasting money on elections. Makes my blood boil when people refer to the Military as a "job" those brave people should have every luxary afforded to them such as having their transfer's paid for...they risk their lives everyday many times they under equipped and you want to cut them back further? Give your head a shake. Edited November 21, 2009 by wulf42 Quote
GostHacked Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 Waste of my tax dollars is what it is. Privately run companies that choose to pay for it do so out of their own pockets not at the expense of the taxpayer. Those who choose to enlist should be responsible for paying their own way there and not sucking off the public tit. This is is a disgrace. Someone signs up to protect you and your country, and we can't foot the bill to relocate them? Do you know how often they relocate? My uncle was relocated 3 times during his 15 year carrer in the military. So moving on average every 5 yeas can be very costly. Even if the move is only a couple hundred kilometers. If they are to pay it out of their pocket, they deserve a hefty wage increase to compensate. Oh and if you want to fight a war. Go do it yourself. With your own money. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com
GostHacked Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 (edited) dupelicate post. Edited November 21, 2009 by GostHacked Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com
DogOnPorch Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 And the last time we were invaded was? If the warmongering right wing weren't over in Afghanistan supporting the torturing of detainees, we'd have one less group to be concerned about. Bring the forces home first, let them stay on Canadian soil defending our borders as you claim they're vitally needed for, then we'll talk about necessary equipment purchases. Patrol ships and aircraft will be sufficient. Sounds like a plan. Can we expect you to go pick them-up? Your expense, of course. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
wulf42 Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 (edited) This is is a disgrace. Someone signs up to protect you and your country, and we can't foot the bill to relocate them? Do you know how often they relocate? My uncle was relocated 3 times during his 15 year carrer in the military. So moving on average every 5 yeas can be very costly. Even if the move is only a couple hundred kilometers. If they are to pay it out of their pocket, they deserve a hefty wage increase to compensate. Oh and if you want to fight a war. Go do it yourself. With your own money. Well said..........it is blows me away how many stupid Canadians we have in this country when it comes to our Military! i laugh when you hear the argument "when was the last time we were invaded" crap...lol that is because we have a military to stop them with...unfortunately we rely on the Americans to much. Yet these same Canadians who say we should rely on the U.S. "let them worry about it" crap our the same people who bash the U.S.A at every chance! Canada is on a downward spiral sad really. Edited November 21, 2009 by wulf42 Quote
wulf42 Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 (edited) Is it any surprise that the extreme left is so anti-military? I bet they'd prefer to give the money to drug addicted Aboriginals and alcoholic single-mother white trash living in subsidized housing. Nobody care's what the extreme left says anyway nobody ever did...let them just go back to their hippie drug induced stupor and let intelligent people run the Country....if we have to bring back the draft i hope they send the hippies first! Edited November 21, 2009 by wulf42 Quote
wulf42 Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 (edited) And the last time we were invaded was? If the warmongering right wing weren't over in Afghanistan supporting the torturing of detainees, we'd have one less group to be concerned about. Bring the forces home first, let them stay on Canadian soil defending our borders as you claim they're vitally needed for, then we'll talk about necessary equipment purchases. Patrol ships and aircraft will be sufficient. lol..............what do you think the point in Afghanistan is?? it is to fight the terrorist's there so they can t plan attacks here! Nato is killing the vermin on their own ground to help keep us safe, you do get that right?? Edited November 21, 2009 by wulf42 Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 Nobody care's what the extreme left says anyway nobody ever did...let them just go back to their hippie drug induced stupor and let intelligent people run the Country....if we have bring back the draft i hope they send the hippies first! On the Russian Front, they had units called Punishment Battalions...where those found guilty of a military crime were sent to the most dangerous parts of the line to act as filler. 324th Hiptard Battalion...Canada's new 'first in last out' unit of rough, tough birkenstock equipped college nerds. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
wulf42 Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 (edited) On the Russian Front, they had units called Punishment Battalions...where those found guilty of a military crime were sent to the most dangerous parts of the line to act as filler. 324th Hiptard Battalion...Canada's new 'first in last out' unit of rough, tough birkenstock equipped college nerds. I like it!.......lol Actually i think we should take all the criminals sitting in prisons being useless and that we waste tax payers dollars on and send them to the frontlines in Afghanistan, at least they would be giving something back to society and then we could ease the pressure of overcrowded Prisons. Edited November 21, 2009 by wulf42 Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 I like it!.......lol Actually i think we should take all the criminals sitting in prisons being useless and that we waste tax payers dollars on and send them to the frontlines in Afghanistan, at least they would be giving something back to society and then we could cut down on Prisons. I doubt the real soldiers would trust them...but if punishment battalions make a come-back...send 'em in... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 Forgive me if I don't kneel before the military's altar like a Conservative sheep. Start with this cut. Make them pay for their own personal moving instead of DND picking up the tab. I realize that bus boys don't get their employee to pay when they move from one hostel or rooming house to another, so this might be unknown to you - but employers invariably pay for their employees' moves when they transfer them to other cities. That goes for the private sector, too. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
wulf42 Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 I doubt the real soldiers would trust them...but if punishment battalions make a come-back...send 'em in... 100% Agreed! ........Good Lord could you imagine the backlash from the extreme left?......lol Quote
Argus Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 What part of public vs privately run are you struggling with in this equation? I don't care if a privately run company chooses to pay for moving, that doesn't come out of my tax dollars. I have a feeling that your heat, lighting and bus fare come out of my tax dollars, and I'm not demanding a refund. So quit snivelling. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 I wonder what these cut backs will affect the Canadian Forces themselves or the civilian employees, the last thing they should be looking at is the Military...maybe we should look at our spending in aid to other Countries instead? What cut backs? All we have is a Liberal senator talking about a spending review at DND. There is no guarantee as to what they will decide is wasteful (and for my money there is enormous waste at DND) or where they might decide to redirect it. For example, they could find a huge waste of cash in their procurement systems and methodology (god knows there IS a huge waste there) figure out how to redefine their processes to save money, and then redirect the money to other areas of DND. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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