More Islamic extremist Activity!

[wulf42]

What i don t get is...if Islam is a religion of peace then why is it the only

religion that hardly a day goes by that a terrorist plot is linked to it??

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/10/29/f...#socialcomments

[Michael Hardner]

Violence happens every day, it's true, but why do you tie it to a religion rather than a culture ?

There's violence every day in Africa, and Haiti... lots of different reasons.

Why not take a wider view of things rather than arriving at the problem (violence) with the solution (religion) already in hand ?

[wulf42]

Violence happens every day, it's true, but why do you tie it to a religion rather than a culture ?

There's violence every day in Africa, and Haiti... lots of different reasons.

Why not take a wider view of things rather than arriving at the problem (violence) with the solution (religion) already in hand ?

While it's true there is violence in those countries ..it stays in those countries between warring

factions so nobody really cares....these Islamo's are trying to export their violent religion here

and set up terrorist activity here in our country......big difference! From what i can see Islam

equates to violence...the "peaceful Muslims" should be doing more to reel in the violent ones

i don t see that happening but more like "well we don t like what they are doing but they have a point"

response.

[DogOnPorch]

Violence happens every day, it's true, but why do you tie it to a religion rather than a culture ?

There's violence every day in Africa, and Haiti... lots of different reasons.

Why not take a wider view of things rather than arriving at the problem (violence) with the solution (religion) already in hand ?

You do realize that a good deal of Africa's misery is via Islam. The Sudan, etc...

[Michael Hardner]

wulf

While it's true there is violence in those countries ..it stays in those countries between warring

factions so nobody really cares....these Islamo's are trying to export their violent religion here

and set up terrorist activity here in our country......big difference! From what i can see Islam

equates to violence...the "peaceful Muslims" should be doing more to reel in the violent ones

i don t see that happening but more like "well we don t like what they are doing but they have a point"

response.

The peaceful Muslims started to protest Burquas recently. Are you happy with that ?

Islam doesn't equate to violence - it's a prejudice of yours. My response wasn't that they have a point, it's that you've arrived at the problem with a pre-determined solution. That's a real response, but you didn't respond to it. Instead you chose to respond to something I didn't post.

[Michael Hardner]

DoP

You do realize that a good deal of Africa's misery is via Islam. The Sudan, etc...

But a significant amount is also tribal. What's the cause then ? It is religion ? I'd say it's culture and the difference is important.

[wulf42]

wulf

The peaceful Muslims started to protest Burquas recently. Are you happy with that ?

Islam doesn't equate to violence - it's a prejudice of yours. My response wasn't that they have a point, it's that you've arrived at the problem with a pre-determined solution. That's a real response, but you didn't respond to it. Instead you chose to respond to something I didn't post.

The only reason i am against Islam is because they want to kill us!! Funny how people who practice

a religion that endorse's terrorism worldwide does that to a person, are there peaceful Muslims?

yes i am sure there is but they certainly could do more against extremism....!

[Michael Hardner]

wulf,

The only reason i am against Islam is because they want to kill us!! Funny how people who practice

a religion that endorse's terrorism worldwide does that to a person, are there peaceful Muslims?

yes i am sure there is but they certainly could do more against extremism....!

Ok, well you're not reading my posts. You're just another one of those people who shows up on the scene with an opinion and won't listen to facts. Instead, you just keep repeating the same slogans over and over.

This sentence doesn't make sense either:

"Funny how people who practice a religion that endorse's terrorism worldwide does that to a person, are there peaceful Muslims?"

[DogOnPorch]

DoP

But a significant amount is also tribal. What's the cause then ? It is religion ? I'd say it's culture and the difference is important.

The Sudanese government plays tribes off one another then moves in with their army to impose Islam on what remains. It's been going on for what seems forever...

[Michael Hardner]

The Sudanese government plays tribes off one another then moves in with their army to impose Islam on what remains. It's been going on for what seems forever...

DoP, I'd agree that it's been going on forever - the manipulation of tribal hatreds for political ends.

[JerrySeinfeld]

DoP

But a significant amount is also tribal. What's the cause then ? It is religion ? I'd say it's culture and the difference is important.

Michael, Islam isn't just a religion, though. It is also a political project.

[DogOnPorch]

DoP, I'd agree that it's been going on forever - the manipulation of tribal hatreds for political ends.

I appreciate your attempt to put the situation into a small box, but as Jerry mentions, Islam is a heck of a lot more than just showing up to the mosque once a week.

[Argus]

Violence happens every day, it's true, but why do you tie it to a religion rather than a culture ?

There's violence every day in Africa, and Haiti... lots of different reasons.

Why not take a wider view of things rather than arriving at the problem (violence) with the solution (religion) already in hand ?

Political violence does happen in a lot of countries. However, what we see consistently around the world is terrible political violence on behalf of Islam - either Islam as an religion, or, more often, Islam as a political ideology. Try to think of those fighting and bombing and killing on behalf of the idea of Islamic states as poliitical terrorists instead of religious terrorists. All across the world these people are killing on behalf of communis--- Uh, Islamist states they want to set up.

So perhaps Islam the religion isn't in itself the main cause of violence (unless of course, someone insults it or is percieved to have insulted it) but Islam as an political ideology certainly is causing an awful lot of violence everywhere there are Muslims.

[Michael Hardner]

Jerry,

Michael, Islam isn't just a religion, though. It is also a political project.

So you're saying it's a global conspiracy ? Be specific please.

[Michael Hardner]

DoP

I appreciate your attempt to put the situation into a small box, but as Jerry mentions, Islam is a heck of a lot more than just showing up to the mosque once a week.

It's actually a religion, but when it's posted on here, the posts arrive with the judgement of all Muslims in tow.

[Michael Hardner]

Argus,

Political violence does happen in a lot of countries. However, what we see consistently around the world is terrible political violence on behalf of Islam - either Islam as an religion, or, more often, Islam as a political ideology. Try to think of those fighting and bombing and killing on behalf of the idea of Islamic states as poliitical terrorists instead of religious terrorists. All across the world these people are killing on behalf of communis--- Uh, Islamist states they want to set up.

So perhaps Islam the religion isn't in itself the main cause of violence (unless of course, someone insults it or is percieved to have insulted it) but Islam as an political ideology certainly is causing an awful lot of violence everywhere there are Muslims.

What you see or what you look for ? Is Islam more violent than Hutu tribalism ? How do you know ?

"Islam as political ideology is causing..." - causing ? Unprovable.

[DogOnPorch]

DoP

It's actually a religion, but when it's posted on here, the posts arrive with the judgement of all Muslims in tow.

Ummm...Sharia? The Hudud? Islamic banking? It's a complete social system and an alternative to capitalism according to the 'extremists'.

[wulf42]

DoP

It's actually a religion, but when it's posted on here, the posts arrive with the judgement of all Muslims in tow.

My point is that other Muslims should be doing more against the extremist's but that is not happening

even after 9/11 they were amazingly silent...if they are a religion of peace than why is there violence

everywhere you look associated with it?

[Michael Hardner]

DoP

Ummm...Sharia? The Hudud? Islamic banking? It's a complete social system and an alternative to capitalism according to the 'extremists'.

Are we talking about the extremists though ? Oh, that's right we're blurring the lines and tarring all with the same brush again.

Quoting the OP:

What i don t get is...if Islam is a religion of peace then why is it the only

religion that hardly a day goes by that a terrorist plot is linked to it??

[Michael Hardner]

Wulf,

My point is that other Muslims should be doing more against the extremist's but that is not happening

even after 9/11 they were amazingly silent...if they are a religion of peace than why is there violence

everywhere you look associated with it?

I already pointed out an example on this thread where moderates are speaking out and you ignored that. It makes me suspect that you're paying lip service to engaging and discussing these issues.

You've ignored my posts where I addressed the question of violence associated (by some) to that religion.

So let's see here:

• You're saying that Muslims should be speaking out more without acknowledging that they are.
  
• You're saying that the religion causes people to be violent, and ignoring posts that address the problems with that argument.
  
• You've therefore proven that you're not interested in discussing, i.e. listening to facts but want to bray out your opinions in a cathartic act of release.
  

So - my advice is go to a poetry reading and let it all out. Don't come to a discussion board where some back-and-forth is required.

You're expecting moderate Muslims to listen to others but you're refusing to do it yourself. Welcome to the hypocrite list.

[Oleg Bach]

"They hate us for our freedom" Hah - I certainly don't feel free these days. They hate us because we are a corrupt and mindlessly wicked society that is pious and phoney as old hell itself - Here is the odd part about Musilim haters - They hate the devil so much they become what they hate in time - evil...To hate evil to such a degree that it occupies your every thought can only make you absorb and become what you hate - Look at Israel - They hate so intensely and for so long that they have become what they hate - Nazis! Islam referes to us as the GREAT SATAN...and as cosmic logic dictates - they have become what they hate - satanic - time to tell them to fu** off.

[wulf42]

Wulf,

I already pointed out an example on this thread where moderates are speaking out and you ignored that. It makes me suspect that you're paying lip service to engaging and discussing these issues.

You've ignored my posts where I addressed the question of violence associated (by some) to that religion.

So let's see here:

• You're saying that Muslims should be speaking out more without acknowledging that they are.
  
• You're saying that the religion causes people to be violent, and ignoring posts that address the problems with that argument.
  
• You've therefore proven that you're not interested in discussing, i.e. listening to facts but want to bray out your opinions in a cathartic act of release.
  

So - my advice is go to a poetry reading and let it all out. Don't come to a discussion board where some back-and-forth is required.

You're expecting moderate Muslims to listen to others but you're refusing to do it yourself. Welcome to the hypocrite list.

Show me proof, I welcome them speaking out but i haven t seen it..

I have no problem with Muslims who live peaceful lives and come to Canada to raise their families

in peace that is what made this country...i have a problem with Islamic extremists who plot

terror attacks on us and our families!

btw-i will speak on the discussion board however i damn well like!

Edited October 30, 2009 by wulf42

[wulf42]

"They hate us for our freedom" Hah - I certainly don't feel free these days. They hate us because we are a corrupt and mindlessly wicked society that is pious and phoney as old hell itself - Here is the odd part about Musilim haters - They hate the devil so much they become what they hate in time - evil...To hate evil to such a degree that it occupies your every thought can only make you absorb and become what you hate - Look at Israel - They hate so intensely and for so long that they have become what they hate - Nazis! Islam referes to us as the GREAT SATAN...and as cosmic logic dictates - they have become what they hate - satanic - time to tell them to fu** off.

Strange you symphize with the Muslim Extremist's yet you live in North America enjoying the freedoms

these people wish to destroy....?

Nobody cares what religion you practice but when that religion becomes violent and people who

practice it try to force it on others by violence...then there is a problem. It seems like there is

more extremism in Islam than any other why that is who knows...but Islamic terrorists are a growing

threat to our national security!

Edited October 30, 2009 by wulf42

[Argus]

DoP

Are we talking about the extremists though ? Oh, that's right we're blurring the lines and tarring all with the same brush again.

Islam has a political ideology component supported by the majority of Muslims. A small but dedicated percentage of these people are willing to commit any amount of violence in order to advance that political ideology. And a larger group are willing to, if not embrace that violence, at least accept it being done by others and sympathise with their aims.

Remember that something like 10% of those polled felt the Toronto 18 were justified in their intentions to murder Canadians and blow up public buildings.

[Michael Hardner]

Argus,

That was a recent post and I remember the number as 5% with no corresponding control group sampled from non-Muslims.

Edited October 30, 2009 by Michael Hardner