jbg Posted October 24, 2009 Report Posted October 24, 2009 communism did nothing to end racism, it only increased the causes of it... communist nations were always very xenophobic of non communist ones, communism was ALL about world colonialism and hegemony..That post shows that you a xenophobic apartheidist racialist running dog of the worst kind.and why don,t you move to china if that's how you feel? Because I love Canada.bet you'd love being a worker in china... nice 16 hour work shifts.... they'll show you the place you want and deserve.Mao's Cultural Revolution and Great Leap Forward turned a neo-American puppet state into a worker-run paradise.Ho Ho Ho Chi Minh!!! Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
cybercoma Posted October 24, 2009 Report Posted October 24, 2009 Who exactly are you talking too? I'm not defending Communism, I'm pointing out that it never actually happened where Marx said it would happen, so whether it would work or not hasn't actually be determined. As to Yugoslavia and Poland, well, there was no Communist revolutions in those places, Communism was imposed. In Cambodia, well we have another agrarian society which, according to the original Marxist theory wasn't supposed to be ready yet. The only industrialized country where any kind of Communist revolution ever occurred was Hungary in 1919 under Bela Kun. That lasted less than six months. I doubt very much that you're well read on Marxism. In fact, I'm reasonably sure that about the only thing you know about Marxist theory is what your far right racist literature tells you. Although it failed, The French Revolution was a communist revolution of sorts. It was the struggles in France that turned Marx into more of a political economist. The revolutions are what made Marx realize that people would not simply be able to throw away their chains from education, they needed to go through crises. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 24, 2009 Report Posted October 24, 2009 Communism is the enemy of colonialism, racism, xenophobia and hegemony. It is the path to elevating the working class over the bourgeousie. Communist societies are heaven, capitalism hell.Mao Mao Mao Tse Tung!!! Workers of the world unite!!! Wrong. Communism does not elevate the proletariat over the bourgeoisie. It is the end of classes and class struggles. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 24, 2009 Report Posted October 24, 2009 communism did nothing to end racism, it only increased the causes of it... communist nations were always very xenophobic of non communist ones, communism was ALL about world colonialism and hegemony..Communism is not about nations. It's about "working men of the world", regardless of nationality. As you say, it is a world movement; however, it's not about colonialism and hegemony because it necessarily is NOT a top down revolution. I know it's difficult for you to accept that, since the "communist" states that have existed were just that: enforced communism. If you even had the most cursory education in Marxist ideology, hell, if you just took 15 minutes to actually read The Communist Manifesto, you would know that people, to be sure, cannot be forced into communism. Quote
jbg Posted October 24, 2009 Report Posted October 24, 2009 Wrong. Communism does not elevate the proletariat over the bourgeoisie. It is the end of classes and class struggles. My personal heros Pol Pot and Yosef Stalin believed otherwise. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
cybercoma Posted October 24, 2009 Report Posted October 24, 2009 My personal heros Pol Pot and Yosef Stalin believed otherwise.Which has been the point since the previous thread... they were not true communists. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted October 24, 2009 Report Posted October 24, 2009 communism did nothing to end racism, it only increased the causes of it... communist nations were always very xenophobic of non communist ones, communism was ALL about world colonialism and hegemony.. And Western liberalism and/or democracy wasn't??? HA! Britain controlled more of the world through colonialism than any empire in history not too many years ago. During the cold war the U.S. was just as obsessed with spreading democracy and destroying communism as the USSR was the opposite, as you say. They even once sent 58,000 of their own men to their deaths to do it. This is my last post responding to anything you say. It is such a waste of my life's precious time. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
lictor616 Posted October 24, 2009 Report Posted October 24, 2009 And Western liberalism and/or democracy wasn't??? HA! Britain controlled more of the world through colonialism than any empire in history not too many years ago. During the cold war the U.S. was just as obsessed with spreading democracy and destroying communism as the USSR was the opposite, as you say. They even once sent 58,000 of their own men to their deaths to do it.This is my last post responding to anything you say. It is such a waste of my life's precious time. Communism controlled perhaps as much if not more the the british empire at its peak... its influence was all over africa, the caribean, south america, not to mention nearly all of asia/russia... why don't you pall around with your bud jbg and his hero Stalin and Pol Pot... there's nothing left to talk about here... you people have conceded to be utterly in agreement with the worst mass murderers in this century... ther is simply nothing more to talk about... 58 ooo men? vs 119 million dead... many in gulags that made Auschwitz look like summer camps. Enjoy your insanity. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
Strangles Posted October 25, 2009 Report Posted October 25, 2009 Communism controlled perhaps as much if not more the the british empire at its peak... its influence was all over africa, the caribean, south america, not to mention nearly all of asia/russia...why don't you pall around with your bud jbg and his hero Stalin and Pol Pot... there's nothing left to talk about here... you people have conceded to be utterly in agreement with the worst mass murderers in this century... ther is simply nothing more to talk about... 58 ooo men? vs 119 million dead... many in gulags that made Auschwitz look like summer camps. Enjoy your insanity. You forget all the proxy wars. Also there was Ethiopia, Congo, DRC, Korean War, Spanish Civil War, 2nd Indo China War, WW2 - Eastern front. Quote
M.Dancer Posted October 26, 2009 Report Posted October 26, 2009 Communism controlled perhaps as much if not more the the british empire at its peak... its influence was all over africa, the caribean, south america, not to mention nearly all of asia/russia... The Soviet Union had 6,592,800 sq miles , The British empire ruled 10,000,000 square miles. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Michael Hardner Posted October 26, 2009 Author Report Posted October 26, 2009 The Soviet Union had 6,592,800 sq miles , The British empire ruled 10,000,000 square miles. To add: Much of the Soviet Union was unfertile wasteland as well. The British empire included lands that later became the US, Canada, South Africa, India... Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
M.Dancer Posted October 26, 2009 Report Posted October 26, 2009 To add: Much of the Soviet Union was unfertile wasteland as well. The British empire included lands that later became the US, Canada, South Africa, India... The 10 million figure is post 13 colonies.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:British_Empire_1897.jpg Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Shwa Posted October 27, 2009 Report Posted October 27, 2009 To wit, the US Marx scholar Hal Draper remarked, “there are few thinkers in modern history whose thought has been so badly misrepresented, by Marxists and anti-Marxists alike”. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism) You could add Christ's teachings to that list as well. Once some mental cases got a hold of it, millions died. Doesn't mean that the Gospels are bad and neither are most of Marx's writings. There is as much sense of going over the evils of communism as there is in the evils of the Church. However... Marx had many positive contributions to humanity, especially in the fields of anthropology, history, economics, labour relations, etc. I believe that in many areas of study of the human endeavour you could find the positive influence of Marx's ideas even if ideas were developed in opposition to Marx's social theories. Quote
lictor616 Posted October 28, 2009 Report Posted October 28, 2009 To wit, the US Marx scholar Hal Draper remarked, “there are few thinkers in modern history whose thought has been so badly misrepresented, by Marxists and anti-Marxists alike”. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism) You could add Christ's teachings to that list as well. Once some mental cases got a hold of it, millions died. Doesn't mean that the Gospels are bad and neither are most of Marx's writings.There is as much sense of going over the evils of communism as there is in the evils of the Church. However... Marx had many positive contributions to humanity, especially in the fields of anthropology, history, economics, labour relations, etc. I believe that in many areas of study of the human endeavour you could find the positive influence of Marx's ideas even if ideas were developed in opposition to Marx's social theories. The comparison between jesus and marx I think is a very useful one... since both are "godheads" of a very similar religion... Marxism is a remix on the old Christian jew-book, a racifimento that retains many of the social superstitions of the bible while rejecting belief in the supernatural... There is much sense in going over the evils of the church and communism... they show us what happens when illusory religions take hold of a nation... bloodshed, suffering and ignorance take hold... for bloodshed, suffering and ignorance are the essence of communism. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
Shwa Posted October 28, 2009 Report Posted October 28, 2009 "There is much sense in going over the evils of the church and communism" The point being that we already know how bad those two entities can get, it is a pointless discussion. The question was about Marxism, not communism. They are different things. Marxism is a theoretical framework for analysing social & economic phenomena which, at the very least, has value when used as a comparative to other similar theoretical frameworks. And that is a positive thing. "Marxism is a remix on the old Christian jew-book," I am not sure about that. Having read several old Christian jew-books and a couple by or about Marx I don't see the relationship unless we are talking about a relationship that is similar to the one between, say, Mein Kampf and Looney Tunes. By that I mean, both used stereotypical racial portrayals to try and get their point across. Actually, come to think about it, Mein Kampf is more like an "old Christian jew-book" than anything Marx ever wrote, but that is way off topic. For another thread or another time perhaps. Quote
lictor616 Posted October 28, 2009 Report Posted October 28, 2009 "There is much sense in going over the evils of the church and communism"The point being that we already know how bad those two entities can get, it is a pointless discussion. The question was about Marxism, not communism. They are different things. Marxism is a theoretical framework for analysing social & economic phenomena which, at the very least, has value when used as a comparative to other similar theoretical frameworks. And that is a positive thing. "Marxism is a remix on the old Christian jew-book," I am not sure about that. Having read several old Christian jew-books and a couple by or about Marx I don't see the relationship unless we are talking about a relationship that is similar to the one between, say, Mein Kampf and Looney Tunes. By that I mean, both used stereotypical racial portrayals to try and get their point across. Actually, come to think about it, Mein Kampf is more like an "old Christian jew-book" than anything Marx ever wrote, but that is way off topic. For another thread or another time perhaps. how is mein kampf like an old christian jewbook? explain... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
Shwa Posted October 28, 2009 Report Posted October 28, 2009 "how is mein kampf like an old christian jewbook? explain... " Well wasn't Hitler an old Christian-Jew? And he wrote a book... Quote
lictor616 Posted October 28, 2009 Report Posted October 28, 2009 "how is mein kampf like an old christian jewbook? explain... "Well wasn't Hitler an old Christian-Jew? And he wrote a book... frrrrrrrrrrunnnnnnkissss! Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
jbg Posted October 29, 2009 Report Posted October 29, 2009 Marxism is a remix on the old Christian jew-book, a racifimento that retains many of the social superstitions of the bible while rejecting belief in the supernatural...I'm not sure what gibberish you're spewing but I'm sure it's hateful. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Pliny Posted October 29, 2009 Report Posted October 29, 2009 Wrong. Communism does not elevate the proletariat over the bourgeoisie. It is the end of classes and class struggles. I want to be in the class that ensures it remains classless. Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
lictor616 Posted October 29, 2009 Report Posted October 29, 2009 (edited) I'm not sure what gibberish you're spewing but I'm sure it's hateful. you hardly know what your talking about or who's talking about what most of the time... in fact I won't bother replying to you anymore... all that ever comes out of it is confusion and you spewing REAL hatred like how the Ukrainians deserved the holodomor and having 3 million of their children die and saying how your personal hero is "Yezef" Stalin. Edited October 29, 2009 by lictor616 Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
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