Off Reserve Natives demand Priority

[Mr.Canada]

The group that represents off-reserve native people on P.E.I. says the province needs to list them as a priority for swine flu vaccine.

The province has already said aboriginal people on P.E.I.'s reserves will be among the first to be vaccinated.

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Can you imagine the furor if someone suggested that "white" Canadians get the vaccine first? There would be riots in the streets.

This to me is quite outrageous. We are all equal in Canada and no race should get preferential treatment over another.

I have no problem with reserve Natives getting the first round of vaccinations as they are often in remote areas but off reservists? Gimme a break.

Off reserve Natives live in cities and towns so I don't see why they should get the vaccine before other people. As Ignatieff like to spout...A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian. Giving preferential treatment to one group over another is racism. This is the exact thing that some on the left accuse Euro-Canadians of doing.

Outrageous.

Edited October 7, 2009 by Mr.Canada

[M.Dancer]

One doctor has it right.

"When it comes to health care, off-reserve aboriginal people should be treated with the same level of priority as on-reserve aboriginal people."

You are a joke.

That isn't a dotor being quopted, that is Chief Jamie Gallant

There is a doctor being quoted however...

The province has already said aboriginal people on P.E.I.'s reserves will be among the first to be vaccinated.

"Aboriginal peoples in Canada have had a long history of having more difficulties fighting some infections than the overall general population," said Dr. Lamont Sweet, the province's deputy chief health officer

[noahbody]

This to me is quite outrageous. We are all equal in Canada and no race should get preferential treatment over another.

It's not outrageous at all. If the race is more vulnerable it should in the priority group that would also likely include the elderly - especially those who had the flu shot last year. Besides, if natives weren't given priority status, I would have to read a flood of posts about genocide and that would be bad for my health.

[Mr.Canada]

It's not outrageous at all. If the race is more vulnerable it should in the priority group that would also likely include the elderly - especially those who had the flu shot last year. Besides, if natives weren't given priority status, I would have to read a flood of posts about genocide and that would be bad for my health.

I have no problem with reserve Natives being first as I mentioned in my post. I have a problem with off reserve Natives who live in the same settings as everyone else saying they should come first/

All races are equal in Canada no single race is more important then another. Just like it says in the Charter.

Are you contending that one race is more sickly then another? If so that's racial profiling and is wrong.

It wouldn't be acceptable to label one race lets say more driven towards crime then another so it isn't acceptable to profile a race for this reason either.

Under the Charter of Rights and freedoms we're all equal and one racial group shouldn't receive preferential treatment over another.

[Shakeyhands]

Are you contending that one race is more sickly then another? If so that's racial profiling and is wrong.

where are the "ass" and "hat" emoticons?

As stated, natives are more prone to being infected with the H1N1 virus.

[Shakeyhands]

btw, i love how you edit your comments after someone calls you out on it.

[M.Dancer]

Are you contending that one race is more sickly then another? If so that's racial profiling and is wrong.

Are you contending that all people are at equal risk?

That's just stupid.

[Mr.Canada]

Are you contending that all people are at equal risk?

That's just stupid.

No sir. I'm contending that all races are equal and no one race should be given preferential treatment over another.

[M.Dancer]

No sir. I'm contending that all races are equal and no one race should be given preferential treatment over another.

So you would have high risk groups wait in line with low risk groups.

Is that the tact you want to take on this?

[Mr.Canada]

So you would have high risk groups wait in line with low risk groups.

Is that the tact you want to take on this?

All races are created equal. As it states in our Charter. We shouldn't be back tracking saying that all races aren't equal after all the racial sensitivity training we've all had.

[eyeball]

All races are created equal. As it states in our Charter.

It doesn't state that at all.

[M.Dancer]

All races are created equal. As it states in our Charter. We shouldn't be back tracking saying that all races aren't equal after all the racial sensitivity training we've all had.

I'm sure it's quite easy but try not to confuse yourself. This isn't an issue about about equality, it's health.

Let me ask you again. Do you feel that high risk groups should wait in line along with low risk groups.

[Mr.Canada]

I'm sure it's quite easy but try not to confuse yourself. This isn't an issue about about equality, it's health.

Let me ask you again. Do you feel that high risk groups should wait in line along with low risk groups.

I see so in issues of random choosing the Charter can be circumvented to show favoritism toward an identifiable racial group. I was led to believe that races are equal and that no one race should be shown favoritism over another.

Contrary to your belief, I don't think that one race is more sickly or predisposed to illness over another. Seems like a hold over line of thinking of pre confederation days.

It doesn't state that at all.

15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.

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Edited October 7, 2009 by Mr.Canada

[Mr.Canada]

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Edited October 7, 2009 by Mr.Canada

[eyeball]

15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.

So where is the the phrase "created equal" do you see it anywhere?

[M.Dancer]

Contrary to your belief, I don't think that one race is more sickly or predisposed to illness over another.

I don't think your stupidity is the isssue.

[Wild Bill]

I don't think your stupidity is the isssue.

I won't comment on your premise but we should pay attention to the fact that we don't KNOW for sure if the Aboriginal population is truly at a higher risk!

We have only a quote from Dr. Sweet, the island's provincial health minister, which means he's a political appointment as much as a medical doctor.

It would be more productive to the debate if someone could dig up some firm evidence either way as to the true risk to those people. That would tell us if the decision was really medical or just political.

[Smallc]

It's not outrageous at all. If the race is more vulnerable it should in the priority group that would also likely include the elderly

The elderly shouldn't need and H1N1 shot because it doesn't affect theme as much as it does others.

[kimmy]

Contrary to your belief, I don't think that one race is more sickly or predisposed to illness over another. Seems like a hold over line of thinking of pre confederation days.

Look, homeskillet, "equal" as used in legal discussions has nothing to do with everybody being equally good at everything.

I can barely walk past a window without being at risk of getting a sunburn. If we defined "equal" by ability to withstand sunlight, I'd be one of the least equal people on earth. But luckily, that's of no relevance as far as the law is concerned.

And, believe it or not, resistance to H1N1 and other diseases is not of relevance to the law either.

If natives are more vulnerable to this disease (and considering the disproportionate effect H1N1 has had in native communities, that's certainly possible) then natives should be at higher priority for receiving the vaccine.

-k

[Mr.Canada]

Look, homeskillet, "equal" as used in legal discussions has nothing to do with everybody being equally good at everything.

I can barely walk past a window without being at risk of getting a sunburn. If we defined "equal" by ability to withstand sunlight, I'd be one of the least equal people on earth. But luckily, that's of no relevance as far as the law is concerned.

And, believe it or not, resistance to H1N1 and other diseases is not of relevance to the law either.

If natives are more vulnerable to this disease (and considering the disproportionate effect H1N1 has had in native communities, that's certainly possible) then natives should be at higher priority for receiving the vaccine.

-k

kimmy, this isn't about people who live in remote communities, I fully support the reserve natives who live far from hospitals to get the vaccine first, no doubt about that, they should. This is due to their geographic location not their race.

Now, when Natives live in the cities and urban centres I think they should be treated just like everyone else. It wouldn't be acceptable for a business owner to exclude people due to their race so why is it acceptable in this setting?

What scares me is how to the reserve Natives get infected with it when they are so far away from a lot of people? From what I understood people in large cities are more at risk to be infected how is H1N1 traveling to these remote communities? If anyone could shed some light on this I'd be most appreciative.

[Guest TrueMetis]

kimmy, this isn't about people who live in remote communities, I fully support the reserve natives who live far from hospitals to get the vaccine first, no doubt about that, they should. This is due to their geographic location not their race.

Now, when Natives live in the cities and urban centres I think they should be treated just like everyone else. It wouldn't be acceptable for a business owner to exclude people due to their race so why is it acceptable in this setting?

What scares me is how to the reserve Natives get infected with it when they are so far away from a lot of people? From what I understood people in large cities are more at risk to be infected how is H1N1 traveling to these remote communities? If anyone could shed some light on this I'd be most appreciative.

I believe it's known as being more vulnerable, hence why the natives in cities want first dibbs. You do realize that being in contact with a lot of people like in big cities make you more likley to get sick right?

[Mr.Canada]

I believe it's known as being more vulnerable, hence why the natives in cities want first dibbs. You do realize that being in contact with a lot of people like in big cities make you more likley to get sick right?

Of coarse, of coarse. I have no problem with cities getting it say before people like me who live in a more rural setting. The problem I have is how Natives who live in the city are more at risk than anyone else living in the same city according to some.

[Wild Bill]

Of coarse, of coarse. I have no problem with cities getting it say before people like me who live in a more rural setting. The problem I have is how Natives who live in the city are more at risk than anyone else living in the same city according to some.

If I follow your logic correctly, Mr. C, then we should not give proportionately more funding to a cure for sickle cell anemia. Should not everyone get equal funding? Is it not wrong that we are doing it according to race? Who cares that some races are more susceptible to specific diseases than others?

It's looking more and more like your real problem is that you don't know enough from a medicinal standpoint to give an informed opinion.

You know, if you keep using this forum as your own personal playpen you may find that no one wants to play with you!

Edited October 9, 2009 by Wild Bill

[Mr.Canada]

If I follow your logic correctly, Mr. C, then we should not give proportionately more funding to a cure for sickle cell anemia. Should not everyone get equal funding? Is it not wrong that we are doing it according to race? Who cares that some races are more susceptible to specific diseases than others?

It's looking more and more like your real problem is that you don't know enough from a medicinal standpoint to give an informed opinion.

You know, if you keep using this forum as your own personal playpen you may find that no one wants to play with you!

C'mon stay on topic Wild Bill and be fair.

I would like to know how Non reserve Natives living in the city are more at risk that non natives living in the same city.

[Guest TrueMetis]

C'mon stay on topic Wild Bill and be fair.

I would like to know how Non reserve Natives living in the city are more at risk that non natives living in the same city.

If this was my first time interacting with you I would think that you are being purposefully dense.