A hostile takeover of Zionism

[jdobbin]

This was the title of an essay in the Globe.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinio...article1302318/

No longer are they the inward-looking anti-Zionists who only cared that the government provide them with money for their separate schools, welfare and exemptions from military service. These days, many of the Haredim – the word means “those who tremble” in awe of God” – have joined with right-wing religious Zionists to become a powerful political force.

I don't know enough about the internal complications of Jewish faith except to recognize that we are seeing more violent attacks of Jews against Jews.

This article was fascinating as it picks up some of the strands of what is going on and gives them some context as to what is happening in Israel.

[myata]

Yes it wouldn't be the first time (by far) that we bet on a wrong SOB. I guess, goes with the business.

[eyeball]

This was the title of an essay in the Globe.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinio...article1302318/

I don't know enough about the internal complications of Jewish faith except to recognize that we are seeing more violent attacks of Jews against Jews.

Like the attacks of Muslims against Muslims its suggestive of the self-destructive behaviour of a disturbed dysfunctional family that has been deeply traumatized.

This article was fascinating as it picks up some of the strands of what is going on and gives them some context as to what is happening in Israel.

And elsewhere in the surrounding region.

[Oleg Bach]

Zionism has nothing to do with religion or God...extremist Islam is much the same - they are orgainized crime under the guise of religious devotion. Mafia is not to strong a word to use when defining these groups. If there is a "hostile' take over of Zionism then it is the more powerful and ruthless gangsters getting rid of the weaker ones. How it works in my estimation is much the same way that the American military complex operates. You have an "establishment" that offends and attacks the other gangsters...who dupe the common populace through the stirring up of emotion an so-called religious furvor. Take a look at the American elite...The torment - rob - plunder and pillage the rest of the world ----in other words they offend "Islam"....THEN they send out stupid soldiers and suicide nuts who did not offend the others - who don't have a clue on what is going on...Like bullies that send out their uninformed little nephews to beat up the other guys...and these little nephews die in the process...thinking they are involved in a noble cause....THERE IS NO NOBLE CAUSE!

[naomiglover]

The Haredi Jews are are looked at as annoying flies that cannot shutup and they have had little influence in politics until recently. Zionism has not been taken over by them. It was taken over by racist extremists a long time ago.

The Zionist movement is losing power because Israelis just don't care for expansionism and the settlements anymore. They also realize that they are not under threat anymore. They need these God fearing fanatics to keep the vision going. This is why you are seeing a shift in the IDF, where the religious fanatics are playing a bigger role in the military.

Edited October 8, 2009 by naomiglover

[Sir Bandelot]

Zionism has nothing to do with religion or God...extremist Islam is much the same - they are orgainized crime under the guise of religious devotion.

Olegs got it right... once again.

[Rue]

Zionism has nothing to do with religion or God...extremist Islam is much the same - they are orgainized crime under the guise of religious devotion. Mafia is not to strong a word to use when defining these groups. If there is a "hostile' take over of Zionism then it is the more powerful and ruthless gangsters getting rid of the weaker ones. How it works in my estimation is much the same way that the American military complex operates. You have an "establishment" that offends and attacks the other gangsters...who dupe the common populace through the stirring up of emotion an so-called religious furvor. Take a look at the American elite...The torment - rob - plunder and pillage the rest of the world ----in other words they offend "Islam"....THEN they send out stupid soldiers and suicide nuts who did not offend the others - who don't have a clue on what is going on...Like bullies that send out their uninformed little nephews to beat up the other guys...and these little nephews die in the process...thinking they are involved in a noble cause....THERE IS NO NOBLE CAUSE!

In your own wierd way Oleg you do touch on the insanity of elitism.

[Rue]

The Haredi Jews are are looked at as annoying flies that cannot shutup and they have had little influence in politics until recently. Zionism has not been taken over by them. It was taken over by racist extremists a long time ago.

The Zionist movement is losing power because Israelis just don't care for expansionism and the settlements anymore. They also realize that they are not under threat anymore. They need these God fearing fanatics to keep the vision going. This is why you are seeing a shift in the IDF, where the religious fanatics are playing a bigger role in the military.

Lol. Very melodramatic.

In fact the religious Zionists, are a bunch of splintered and fragmented political parties and no Zionism is not losing power like some aged man in need of viagra.

These religious parties exist because Israel has proportional representation which encourages numerous political parties and enables fringe ones a better chance of getting elected.

The National Religious Party and other religious fundamentalist parties and the racists who support Lieberman are not and will never be the majority in Israel and they have always been around-nothing new there.

As for the attempt of certain Rabbias to bring religion into the IDF that is also not new and is done on an individual level by those Rabbias. It is something the IDF must put up with but does not support.

This notion that the IDF can be whipped into a religious frenzy to fight is absurd. It is a civilian army. Its members are the average every day person who must remain active on a yearly call up from 18 to 65. These are not the kind of soldiers who take kindly to religious fanatics in their midst just the opposite.

The average Israeli and therefore IDF soldier hates all forms of religious extremism in all religions equally.

The actual facts are much more boring then the sensational doomsday extreme civil war religious Zionist plots you come up with.

Edited October 12, 2009 by Rue

[Rue]

This was the title of an essay in the Globe.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinio...article1302318/

I don't know enough about the internal complications of Jewish faith except to recognize that we are seeing more violent attacks of Jews against Jews.

This article was fascinating as it picks up some of the strands of what is going on and gives them some context as to what is happening in Israel.

I would do a little bit more research before jumping to any conclusions. The Globe & Mail has been predicting Israel's collapse since 1949.

The only thing that fascinates me is that you would actually believe this article picks "some of the strands of what is going on and gives them some context".

How would you know? How do you know what is going on if all you have done is read this article and rely on it?

In fact what you unintentionally stated is you have no clue what is going on and rely on this article to tell you.

I find it fascinating people get fascinated by things they read in the newspaper.

Do you believe in Santa Claus by any chance?

Edited October 12, 2009 by Rue

[Rue]

Yes it wouldn't be the first time (by far) that we bet on a wrong SOB. I guess, goes with the business.

Now Myata. A good Muslim is not allowed to gamble. Neither should Jews or Christians for that matter, and as Oleg would tell you, gambling is controlled by the Mafia.

Edited October 12, 2009 by Rue

[weareone]

The Haredi Jews are are looked at as annoying flies that cannot shutup and they have had little influence in politics until recently. Zionism has not been taken over by them. It was taken over by racist extremists a long time ago.

The Zionist movement is losing power because Israelis just don't care for expansionism and the settlements anymore. They also realize that they are not under threat anymore. They need these God fearing fanatics to keep the vision going. This is why you are seeing a shift in the IDF, where the religious fanatics are playing a bigger role in the military.

Shades of Muslimism. It only proves that when you want to be a religious state, you cannot be a democratic state.