Trademarks

[Topaz]

HBC has come out with clothing with the trademark that looks like the Tories and they have said they had nothing to do with this. At I thought it looked like the Canadian Air Force flag besides the Tories. Granted, the Tories "C" is blue, while this one is black. Perhaps, this is the case of "don't sweat the small stuff", there's BIGGER problems out there. http://www.windsorstar.com/sports/2010wint...6039/story.html

[August1991]

HBC has come out with clothing with the trademark that looks like the Tories and they have said they had nothing to do with this.

The Liberals redesigned Canada's flag in 1965 so that it would be Liberal red. Anything the Conservatives do is minor in comparison.

[M.Dancer]

Zzzzzing!

[capricorn]

HBC has come out with clothing with the trademark that looks like the Tories and they have said they had nothing to do with this.

Did you know the "H" in the Montreal Canadiens logo stands for "Harper"? See for yourself.

http://canadiens.nhl.com/index.html

Those sneaky Cons.

[jdobbin]

The Liberals redesigned Canada's flag in 1965 so that it would be Liberal red. Anything the Conservatives do is minor in comparison.

You are wrong.

This is the flag that Pearson supported:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Canada_P...ennant_1964.svg

Note the blue along with red maple leafs taken from the original flag.

The Tories assumed the Liberals would support the above flag so they voted for this one instead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Canada.svg

The support for the above flag was unanimous.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Flag_Debate

At the last minute, Matheson slipped a flag designed by historian George Stanley into the mix. The idea was said to have come to him while standing in front of the Mackenzie Building of the Royal Military College of Canada, while viewing the college flag flying in the wind. The design put forward had a single red maple leaf on a white plain background, flanked by two red borders, based on the design of the flag of the Royal Military College. The voting was held on October 22, 1964, when the committee’s final contest pitted Pearson’s pennant against Stanley’s. Assuming that the Liberals would vote for the Prime Minister’s design, the Conservatives backed Stanley. They were outmanoeuvered by the Liberals who had agreed with others to choose the Stanley Maple Leaf flag. The Liberals voted for the red and white flag, making the selection unanimous (14–0).

So care to revise your argument?

The Tories were the ones that let the maple leaf flag emerge as the final choice. Since the flag was a last minute entry, it is hard to say that this was part of Liberal grand master plan to have red as the final colour.

Edited October 2, 2009 by jdobbin

[M.Dancer]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Canada.svg

The support for the above flag was unanimous.

So care to revise your argument?

Ahem....if by unaimous you mean 163 to 78, then I suppose by redefining unanimous, you are correct.

Care to revise your argument?

[ba1614]

HBC has come out with clothing with the trademark that looks like the Tories and they have said they had nothing to do with this. At I thought it looked like the Canadian Air Force flag besides the Tories. Granted, the Tories "C" is blue, while this one is black. Perhaps, this is the case of "don't sweat the small stuff", there's BIGGER problems out there. http://www.windsorstar.com/sports/2010wint...6039/story.html

I too thought it was a takeoff from the Air Force Logo when I first saw it. It's awful close, even the leaf pattern is the same, but they made the "O" a "C".

Air Force Logo

I think it's much ado about nothing to be honest.

[waldo]

Zzzzzing!

The Liberals redesigned Canada's flag in 1965 so that it would be Liberal red. Anything the Conservatives do is minor in comparison.

Zzzzzing!

Ahem....if by unaimous you mean 163 to 78, then I suppose by redefining unanimous, you are correct.

Care to revise your argument?

care to revise your Zzzzzing!

[Topaz]

The Liberals redesigned Canada's flag in 1965 so that it would be Liberal red. Anything the Conservatives do is minor in comparison.

Correction time. Yes the new flag was under the Liberals,but the colours for the Canada flag had already been chose by King George V in 1921 which were red white and blue. After a committee debated the flag I think they chose the right colours and the single maple leaf. So its not really Lib red. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Canada

[jdobbin]

care to revise your Zzzzzing!

The final flag to be voted on in Parliament was unanimously chosen for a straight up and down vote. The committee selected our present flag 14 to 0 and all the Tories supported that choice. I imagine they were shocked when they all ended up voting for the same flag.

The flag that Pearson had been advocating for that had blue in it lost out.

So, this idea that the red in the flag was somehow be all Liberal red is a fallacy.

[M.Dancer]

The final flag to be voted on in Parliament was unanimously chosen for a straight up and down vote. The committee selected our present flag 14 to 0 and all the Tories supported that choice. I imagine they were shocked when they all ended up voting for the same flag.

The flag that Pearson had been advocating for that had blue in it lost out.

So, this idea that the red in the flag was somehow be all Liberal red is a fallacy.

It went to a vote in the house.It was far from unanimous. Most Tories voted against it. Dobbin is being his normal hyper partisan self and advoiding the truth.

[Mr.Canada]

How much power to you guys think Harper has? Give me a break.

Seriously, you give the man too much credit. Now you think he has supreme control over the design team over at HBC?

Which I might add is a civilian team and not affiliated in any way with politics. If you have issue with anyone take it up with the panel of athletes who chose this version of the team uniforms.

I'll repeat that. The athletes chose this uniform not the PM. Take it up with them.

[ToadBrother]

How much power to you guys think Harper has? Give me a break.

Seriously, you give the man too much credit. Now you think he has supreme control over the design team over at HBC?

Which I might add is a civilian team and not affiliated in any way with politics. If you have issue with anyone take it up with the panel of athletes who chose this version of the team uniforms.

I'll repeat that. The athletes chose this uniform not the PM. Take it up with them.

All I can say about it is that a lot of British Columbians have grown tired of the whole thing. We're watching the government hack into school sports programs and other programs to pay for this godawful display of ubernationalism and faux togetherness. I know of at least three people who live in the Lower Mainland who plan on not being within three hundred miles of this fiscal fiasco when it happens.

I think the appropriate symbol would have been a toilet with money being flushed down it.

[M.Dancer]

All I can say about it is that a lot of British Columbians have grown tired of the whole thing. We're watching the government hack into school sports programs and other programs to pay for this godawful display of ubernationalism and faux togetherness. I know of at least three people who live in the Lower Mainland who plan on not being within three hundred miles of this fiscal fiasco when it happens.

I think the appropriate symbol would have been a toilet with money being flushed down it.

As an ex montrealer, my opinion on the Olympics should not be heard in polite company or if moderators are lurking.

[Bryan]

Patently ridiculous allegations from Hedy Fry. I suppose she wanted the Oly logo to be a burning cross.

It went to a vote in the house.It was far from unanimous. Most Tories voted against it. Dobbin is being his normal hyper partisan self and advoiding the truth.

Is that a diplomatic 'no direct personal attacks' way of saying that "he's lying as usual"?

[Mr.Canada]

All I can say about it is that a lot of British Columbians have grown tired of the whole thing. We're watching the government hack into school sports programs and other programs to pay for this godawful display of ubernationalism and faux togetherness. I know of at least three people who live in the Lower Mainland who plan on not being within three hundred miles of this fiscal fiasco when it happens.

I think the appropriate symbol would have been a toilet with money being flushed down it.

3 people out of millions. That isn't really a consensus is it?

Gary Lunn, the minister for amateur sport, responded that the federal government was "not involved in any way, shape or form in the design of any of the Olympic clothing."

Fry accused Prime Minister Stephen Harper of "trying to politicize" the Games.

Lunn shot back that Liberals seem to delight in undermining Canadian retail institutions such as Tim Hortons and the Bay.

Source

As you can see the Minister for Amatuer Sport has said they had nothing to do with it. Case Closed, they didn't have anything to do with it.

I have a hard time grasping how she convinces voters that she has all her faculties during an election. She is pretty much unbeatable for some reason, even with saying outlandish and baseless things such as thing. Unbelievable.

[ToadBrother]

3 people out of millions. That isn't really a consensus is it?

Believe me, after everyone found out about the BC Liberals basically lied about the government revenue picture, the Olympics is looking a lot less savory to a lot less British Columbians. With just about every cost associated with it far greater than originally claimed (well, everyone knew the security cost estimates were pure baloney, but anyways), what it's looking like now is yet another massive and pointless public works project for the Lower Mainland.

[Mr.Canada]

Believe me, after everyone found out about the BC Liberals basically lied about the government revenue picture, the Olympics is looking a lot less savory to a lot less British Columbians. With just about every cost associated with it far greater than originally claimed (well, everyone knew the security cost estimates were pure baloney, but anyways), what it's looking like now is yet another massive and pointless public works project for the Lower Mainland.

The Olympics will bring in hundreds of millions of dollars into BC during the Olympics motto mention all the construction and related jobs it provided over the last 6 or 7 years to build the venues.

Toad, so now the NDP are interested in being fiscally responsible and care about how public money is spent? Since when?

The NDP has always wanted to raise taxes and raise spending. Now they're against raising taxes and spending. I think that the NDP is trying to run on a Tory platform now.

[jdobbin]

Is that a diplomatic 'no direct personal attacks' way of saying that "he's lying as usual"?

I think the lie is that the Liberals pushed for an all red flag. Or are you among the conservatives here who say that is what happened?

The flag the Liberals had advocated to final round had blue borders. The last minute entry of our present flag won them over and the Tories on the committee supported it as well.

The truth is that committee vote was unanimous 14-0 and all the Tories voted to send it to the Commons for an up or down vote. This is a matter of public record and I posted a link that links further to the government history of the flag.

Tell me again how that is lie.

I can find no evidence that Liberals ever pushed an all Liberal red flag in any literature. And the Tories rejected the choice of the blue border flag when it was offered in the final committee vote.

So... care to revise what you are saying or are your prepared to show I am wrong?

Edited October 4, 2009 by jdobbin

[August1991]

So care to revise your argument?

Not at all.

The key quote from your wikipedia article is the following:

The debate over the proposed new Canadian Flag was ended by Cloture on December 15, 1964.

Based on the experience of the past few years, we all know how rough a (minority) Parliament can be. It was no different in 1964-65.

The Liberals got the flag they wanted. Pearson knew exactly what he was doing.

[jdobbin]

Not at all.

The key quote from your wikipedia article is the following:

But you said that the Liberals pushed for a red flag. Clearly you were wrong. The flag that they pushed at blue borders and the flag that emerged out of committee was a last minute entry. It was picked by both parties.

Based on the experience of the past few years, we all know how rough a (minority) Parliament can be. It was no different in 1964-65.

The Liberals got the flag they wanted. Pearson knew exactly what he was doing.

Pearson wanted a blue border flag and said so.

The rest of what comes out of your mouth is conspiracy theory.

[August1991]

But you said that the Liberals pushed for a red flag.

No, I said that the Liberals changed Canada's flag to Liberal red.

Dobbin, are you so naive as to believe that Pearson didn't know what he was doing? (Liberal/CBC hagiography has turned Pearson into a Canadian saint so Dobbin, I guess I'll have to appeal to the Liberal in you: do you think Keith Davey didn't know what was happening in the flag debate?)

What flag would Warren Kinsella choose? Dobbin, this is a no-brainer.

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In the choice of flag, I think Liberals should take credit for having snookered Diefenbaker and the Tories. Trudeau chose to join the Liberals in 1964 precisely because they could deliver power. Once upon a time, this was the Liberal selling point.

[capricorn]

The matter of Liberal red was an issue at the time the flag was adopted.

The Pearson pennant looked too much like a Liberal Party flag to be acceptable to a majority of the committee members and the third finalist was an ungainly compromise that pleased only the Tories, so the single stylized maple leaf motif won the day.

http://www.snopes.com/history/canada/mapleleafflag.asp

The vote to adopt the flag was 163-78.

In 1970, Trudeau introduced the Federal Identity Program whereby the colour red became prominent on federal buildings, letterhead, crown vehicles, etc.

Conspiracy or not, red is the dominant colour utilized to identify the Canadian government at home and abroad and happens to be the prominent colour of the Liberal party. Suffice it to say that this happy coincidence has not hurt the Liberals over the years.

[August1991]

Missed this post. [Thread drift ahead.]

As an ex montrealer, my opinion on the Olympics should not be heard in polite company or if moderators are lurking.

Giggle. Big Owe.

I went there a couple of weeks ago. There's a lot of cement. Alot. Hard-to-imagine amounts of cement. (Hydro-Quebec requires cement for dams and so Quebec has alot of cement making capacity.)

Out of curiousity, for the first time, I also went to the Olympic Village (open house announcing rental units). As expected, late 1970s style apartments: Small bathrooms, low ceilings, crappy floors. I was surprised to find outside corriders. (In winter, you have to put on a coat to walk to the elevator.)

The city gave up on the Olympic Village and an Israeli firm now owns the two buildings. All units are rentals; there are no condos. Because of rent control, rents vary.

[jdobbin]

No, I said that the Liberals changed Canada's flag to Liberal red.

The present flag was a last minute entry. The flag they had pushed along had blue in it. It is why it was called the Pearson pennant.

Dobbin, are you so naive as to believe that Pearson didn't know what he was doing? (Liberal/CBC hagiography has turned Pearson into a Canadian saint so Dobbin, I guess I'll have to appeal to the Liberal in you: do you think Keith Davey didn't know what was happening in the flag debate?)

I think you are still naively saying it was a conspiracy. Do you believe in the second shooter on the grassy knoll too?

What flag would Warren Kinsella choose? Dobbin, this is a no-brainer.

I know Kinsella makes your day whenever you mention him.

In the choice of flag, I think Liberals should take credit for having snookered Diefenbaker and the Tories. Trudeau chose to join the Liberals in 1964 precisely because they could deliver power. Once upon a time, this was the Liberal selling point.

The Tories showed they just didn't want what they thought the Liberals wanted. The rejected the blue border flag.